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Old 12-07-2013   #21
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Did you see his game last thursday?

Teddy is absolutely a franchise QB:

1) The guy strives to be a "coach on the field"
2) There's not a bad hair on his head
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I have studied him extensively over the past 1.5 years. He's the real deal. I cannot wait to see #5 Teddy Bridgewater in a Texans uniform.
I like Bridgewater too but man I wish Jameis Winston was a year older. I was comparing the two and that kid is unreal. No 19 year old should be that good. Bridgewater is a very good prospect but Winston is up there with Luck and Manning.
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Not sure why people keep saying this about the RGIII trade. The trade is not far off by the chart. Future picks are downgraded a round per year conventionally.
Fair enough. If someone is willing to make that type trade then you bite their arm off. This team is well more than just a QB shy of being good.
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What makes you think Bridgewater is the answer? He has not looked impressive in a lot of his starts including; UH, Memphis, Rutgers and Cincinnati. I don't get this Teddy fever. If you were to take any the other 1st or 2nd round quarterbacks and play those same teams it would be a total blow out.

He plays in the AAC, these are NOT GOOD DEFENSES IN COLLEGE. He has had one good victory over Florida but he has really regressed since then.
I sort of like Bridgewater, myself. But my daughter, who is not a member, wants me to post her opinion:

"Quarterback should be a high priority. But I have a couple of misgivings about Teddy.
1. Guys named Ted are so often unspeakably evil criminals.
2. Black quarterbacks in the NFL have usually been inconsistent."
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I sort of like Bridgewater, myself. But my daughter, who is not a member, wants me to post her opinion:

"Quarterback should be a high priority. But I have a couple of misgivings about Teddy.
1. Guys named Ted are so often unspeakably evil criminals.
2. Black quarterbacks in the NFL have usually been inconsistent."
hm, your daughter should probably keep that to herself.
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I sort of like Bridgewater, myself. But my daughter, who is not a member, wants me to post her opinion:

"Quarterback should be a high priority. But I have a couple of misgivings about Teddy.
1. Guys named Ted are so often unspeakably evil criminals.
2. Black quarterbacks in the NFL have usually been inconsistent."
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I sort of like Bridgewater, myself. But my daughter, who is not a member, wants me to post her opinion:

"Quarterback should be a high priority. But I have a couple of misgivings about Teddy.
1. Guys named Ted are so often unspeakably evil criminals.
2. Black quarterbacks in the NFL have usually been inconsistent."
So, you're daughter is a racist...
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Counterpoint:

1) Presidents named Teddy have been amazing 100% of the time, so we're good there

2) You should show her clips of Warren Moon and Cunningham :P
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Franchise QB trumps franchise DL right?
If Bridgewater was a franchise QB.

I dont believe he is. Manziel is better than Bridgewater. IMHO. I dont want the Texans to draft Manziel either. 1-1 makes me say pass on Bridgewater. Take Clowney at 1-1, and Mettenberger or Murray who have just as much talent as Bridgewater. They're just coming off injury.

Tell me arm strength wise, being able to read defenses, played against far better competition, what makes Bridgewater 2rds better than Bridgewater. I understand the need for a franchise QB, but no need to reach for one. Especially with guys like Clowney/Barr on the board.
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If Bridgewater was a franchise QB.

I dont believe he is. Manziel is better than Bridgewater. IMHO. I dont want the Texans to draft Manziel either. 1-1 makes me say pass on Bridgewater. Take Clowney at 1-1, and Mettenberger or Murray who have just as much talent as Bridgewater. They're just coming off injury.

Tell me arm strength wise, being able to read defenses, played against far better competition, what makes Bridgewater 2rds better than Bridgewater. I understand the need for a franchise QB, but no need to reach for one. Especially with guys like Clowney/Barr on the board.
i don't know about barr, but there is absolutely zero chance the texans take clowney 1.1

additionally, you are smoking crack if you think mettenschaub and murray have "as much talent as Bridgewater".
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Tell me arm strength wise, being able to read defenses, played against far better competition, what makes Bridgewater 2rds better than Bridgewater.
I agree. I don't think Bridgewater is 2 rounds better than Bridgewater.
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Counterpoint:

1) Presidents named Teddy have been amazing 100% of the time, so we're good there

2) You should show her clips of Warren Moon and Cunningham :P
Is it racist to ask to see Moon/Cunningham's rings?

BTW, that's not why I dont like Bridgewater, 1. Arm strength, 2. Some avg performances against teams like UH.
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I agree. I don't think Bridgewater is 2 rounds better than Bridgewater.
Will edit, For whatever reason that's the only post in thread that I am unable to edit. I guess the mods have a sense of humor.

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I'm of the belief we need to see about trading down. There isn't a sure-fire, can't miss #1 overall guy. I think Case and Yates can get it done next year if we shore up what we left hanging by letting too many guys go. If we can get Jake Matthews at 5 or 6 and another ILB or a good DE or CB later in the first I'd be happy.
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Not sure why people keep saying this about the RGIII trade. The trade is not far off by the chart. Future picks are downgraded a round per year conventionally.
Mega trades involving multiple picks are very rare, so the so-called chart value is irrelevant. Teams willing to part with all this stuff are not that common unless the prospect is considered to be overused 'can't miss." I can't remember the last deal involving the 1st overall pick (Rivers/Eli maybe), but unless Bridgewater is rated higher than I think, while the best QB in this draft the chances of an RGIII are less than 10%, imo.
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Will edit, For whatever reason that's the only post in thread that I am unable to edit. I guess the mods have a sense of humor.

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No clue what the problem is other than there is a time limit on how long you can edit. What do you want it to say?

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Mega trades involving multiple picks are very rare, so the so-called chart value is irrelevant. Teams willing to part with all this stuff are not that common unless the prospect is considered to be overused 'can't miss." I can't remember the last deal involving the 1st overall pick (Rivers/Eli maybe), but unless Bridgewater is rated higher than I think, while the best QB in this draft the chances of an RGIII are less than 10%, imo.
I agree the key is whether Bridgewater is as highly coveted and big trades are rare. Likely not.

I hardly think a trade which is darn near spot on with the chart shows the chart to be irrelevant.

Now the Giants overpaid by the chart.
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I sort of like Bridgewater, myself. But my daughter, who is not a member, wants me to post her opinion:

"Quarterback should be a high priority. But I have a couple of misgivings about Teddy.
1. Guys named Ted are so often unspeakably evil criminals.
2. Black quarterbacks in the NFL have usually been inconsistent."
Can't tell if joking or not.
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No clue what the problem is other than there is a time limit on how long you can edit. What do you want it to say?



I agree the key is whether Bridgewater is as highly coveted and big trades are rare. Likely not.

I hardly think a trade which is darn near spot on with the chart shows the chart to be irrelevant.

Now the Giants overpaid by the chart.
From what I can tell (no linkage) more teams than not don't use that chart (floated around the internet for years now) at all and that nego. trade for RGIII being close was happenstance. other words, I don't think a good measure when evaluating trades any more.
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Is it racist to ask to see Moon/Cunningham's rings?
I see you've edited this, so I'll let it slide for now..
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I enjoy Bill's writing.

My biggest issue with this analysis is that without knowing head coach, new way of doing business, hard to speak intelligently about the Texans future:

Things the piece ignores:

1. Problems with the GM. If you don't have a QB, you are dead in the water. If you have an average to below average GM, it's like having no good QB. Who knows what sort of GM Rick Smith will be once the rest of the more experienced Denver cartel has left the building? Theoretically, he could be better, but we have no evidence that training wheels off Rick Smith would be good at all. Dead.

2. If you have issues at GM, it puts a lot more pressure on getting the right head coach and assistant staff. We have no idea what direction they go.

3. QB changes are huge risk/reward propositions and hard to project. To hit at QB, you need 1 right guy, 2 right HC, OC, scheme, 3 good players around him to help development, 4 injury luck, in particular not getting injured during the learning process. We've mostly seen downside of QB development with the Texans, but that doesn't mean that is the only option. Just means that it is hard to project one way or another without knowing more details and actually seeing performance on the field. Picking high increases the chances of finding a guy who hits but we all know that it isn't a lock.

4. Some of the core players for the Texans are aging/declining/may be departing. Some players projected to be core players haven't produced yet--do they produce with better coaching. more experience? Don't know. Wade has had success with the DT, OLB position in other places. Not so much here other than moving JJ inside. Very few players having great years.

So in sum, I don't think we know enough now to be optimistic. (I wasn't terribly happy with some of the content of the presser--too much unprofessional Jerrah Bob, over-optimistic talk that suggests he's learned nothing from this experience). You'd think that even a below average team would have better turnover luck than the Texans did this year, and all that regression to mean blah blah stuff, but with the transition to whatever is the new coaching, who knows if it is a positive result or not until we see it.

Some teams turn it around right away. Some teams slog around for a long time with broken ways of doing things.
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From what I can tell (no linkage) more teams than not don't use that chart (floated around the internet for years now) at all and that nego. trade for RGIII being close was happenstance. other words, I don't think a good measure when evaluating trades any more.
From what I can tell (also no linkage) teams stopped using the chart for the top of the draft when the salaries got ridiculous but now that the contracts are held to something reasonable for the top of the 1st round it is back in use again. Not saying anyone is using it as a bible as it was always meant as a guide.
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