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Old 04-03-2014   #161
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I have this feeling we're going to be a bit blindsided by who OB tabs at QB if we go elsewhere at 1-1. I'm not seeing Garopolo.

Breeland I highlighted as a later round pick. Perhaps he'll rise, but I'd like to see who's available there at 3-1. I do like adding a CB. I'd draft one every year.

Kiper is becoming more annoying, as he does when drafts approach. Everything has to be to the nth degree -- screaming louder, future Hall of Famer, total bust... headline seeking adjectives. Pish.
Who are you thinking? The only QB that could blind side me would be Carr.
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Just you wait! You'll see... Mel-Hair-Gel is smart!!
Remember how he right he was about Reggie Bush

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Well, he's better with QBs. what about how he called Brady Quinn being a superstar! Yeah, that's the guy he was real high on...

...oh crap...no wait...

ummm... just gimme a minute...

remember that time when Mel said that, heh, heh, that JaMarcus Russell would become an elite, top 5 QB for the Raiders with in his first 3 years?

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Who are you thinking? The only QB that could blind side me would be Carr.
I don't know, just have a feeling OB will surprise us.
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Who are you thinking? The only QB that could blind side me would be Carr.
If Carr is there at 2.1 you take him ... no brainer from a strictly football perspective. He has genuine exceptional arm talent and ... this just in ... he is not his brother. I am of the thought though that even David could have been a very good if not great QB except he was thrown to the wolves behind a horrible line, and then there is the Chris Palmer factor.

I think he was so shell shocked after the first year or two he never recovered mentally. We will never know what he could of been in my opinion, and based on talent alone I would give his little brother a chance.

If Carr is there at 2.1 you have to take him ...
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If Carr is there at 2.1 you take him ... no brainer from a strictly football perspective. He has genuine exceptional arm talent and ... this just in ... he is not his brother. I am of the thought though that even David could have been a very good if not great QB except he was thrown to the wolves behind a horrible line, and then there is the Chris Palmer factor.

I think he was so shell shocked after the first year or two he never recovered mentally. We will never know what he could of been in my opinion, and based on talent alone I would give his little brother a chance.

If Carr is there at 2.1 you have to take him ...
#1 - it ain't happening.

#2 - there are a lot of key similarities to his brother. He does some things better - better long ball placement and he knows not to run out of bounds behind the LOS. Overall they are very similar on and more importantly off the field. Both big arms and athletic but not smart on the move. Both feel pressure early and check down frequently. Like his brother he is coming into the NFL with a full on family and it appears like his brother they are likely to turn out to be the focus of his life over football. He also has the societal "be apart from the world" issues which kept David from being tight with the team.

His talent isn't sufficient to have him sniffing the top of the draft and together with his family issues and team history his talent isn't enough to separate him from other options who don't carry such concerns. I'd rather have an 80% guy who is 100% committed than a 100% guy who is 80% committed.
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I'd rather have an 80% guy who is 100% committed than a 100% guy who is 80% committed.
I can see that train of thought.

You and I differ on the family aspect, because as someone who was married very young, sometimes it gives you a motivation like no other to succeed ... for your family. I do however see your point that it would probably prevent him from being a part of off the field things that leads to a closer relationship with teammates.

Mute point because he wont be there. Someone will take him in the 1st. I wouldn't mind seeing us wait until a later round and try the kid from LSU. To me in this draft you either hit or miss. No QB worth 1.1 unless you believe JFF will be the same in the NFL as he was in college. All the others IMO are six of one and a half dozen of another when it comes to whether or not they will be productive NFL quality talent.
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I can see that train of thought.

You and I differ on the family aspect, because as someone who was married very young, sometimes it gives you a motivation like no other to succeed ... for your family. I do however see your point that it would probably prevent him from being a part of off the field things that leads to a closer relationship with teammates.
You're missing the whole point. I don't know if you were around here during the Carr years, but that was a big topic of debate. He needed to get better. Somehow or another the idea was getting passed around here, that instead of being the first in & first out, he was at home with the wife & kids being a good dad.

The two need not be mutually exclusive. I'm sure if you ask Peyton or Brees, they'll tell you they put family before football. But for them, being the best they can be (whether we're talking about being a QB, keeping your word, delivering for your teammates, whatever) is doing it for their family.

& if you haven't learned yet, you will soon find out it's not about quantity, it's quality. Spending time with your kids, doing things with your family, being a part of their lives... it's more about the quality of the time you spend with them, not the quantity. Getting both... great.

But we're talking about football. 6 months out of the year, we want him to be the best football player he can be. The other six months he can spend exclusively with the wife & kids for all I care.

And a big part of the Carr family thing is the dad, Roger (I think). He's going to be part of the package deal & if David doesn't get a gig, so will he. That's the kind of circus I don't want.
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You're missing the whole point.
Need to get your ESP fixed ... Since you just described exactly what I meant.

David may not have spent the time, but that doesn't mean Derek wont ... THAT was my point.

Having a family for David apparently meant being at home with them. Having a family for some (like myself) means sacrificing every waking hour to perfect your craft so that you and your family may reap the rewards of that dedication and hard work down the line. Maybe Derek goes about it in that manner after watching what happened to his brother. Does anyone really think after what happened to David, that Roger will act the same way or that Derek will follow the same path? That really makes no sense to me.
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Personally, I wouldn't mind Derek Carr at 2-1 too much. He's not my first choice and frankly, it would be hard for me to expect good things from him.

I don't want him in the first round and I'd really prefer someone like Garoppolo or Mettenberger even with their shortcomings.
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Does anyone really think after what happened to David, that Roger will act the same way or that Derek will follow the same path? That really makes no sense to me.

What have your seen or what makes you think he won't?
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What have your seen or what makes you think he won't?
What have you seen that makes you think he will?

You been keeping up with him since DC left?

C'mon people ... at least try and ask intelligent questions.
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Personally, I wouldn't mind Derek Carr at 2-1 too much. He's not my first choice and frankly, it would be hard for me to expect good things from him.

I don't want him in the first round and I'd really prefer someone like Garoppolo or Mettenberger even with their shortcomings.
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What have you seen that makes you think he will?

You been keeping up with him since DC left?

C'mon people ... at least try and ask intelligent questions.
I was asking a question because you made an assertion as if it was fact. Stop throwing spitballs because you think you are so intelligent. Back up your statements with something resembling intelligence instead of acting like no one has a clue because they may or may not agree with you. I never asserted my opinion one way or the other. Just asking for you to back up yours. Is that so hard for you?
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I like Derek Carr.

Aside from the physical tools, I watched some clips and some interviews of him and he seems to be a little less 'smiley' than David. He seems more serious. Seems like he's passionate about becoming a great QB.

I watched a highlight video and I saw him leading the team before the game...getting them ready to play.

I don't think of David when I see him. Aside from the physical tools.

I think Derek absolutely can be more productive than David ever was. Eli isn't Peyton and Derek isn't David. Marcus isn't Michael.

Matter of fact...look at your siblings. I'm pretty sure most have brothers or sisters with different strengths/weaknesses than them.
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No one in my family has weaknesses.

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“He’s a system guy; that’s it,” the NFC personnel man said. “No, he’s not as good as is brother (David, a No. 1 pick of Houston in 2002).”

“He’s tougher than his brother,” the AFC executive said. “He can be a starter in the league.”

“Not bad,” the NFC scout said. “But not as good as his brother.”
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I do think Derek is tougher than David. But I don't think he is as talented.

Not sure which combo leads to a better career.
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I was asking a question because you made an assertion as if it was fact. Stop throwing spitballs because you think you are so intelligent. Back up your statements with something resembling intelligence instead of acting like no one has a clue because they may or may not agree with you. I never asserted my opinion one way or the other. Just asking for you to back up yours. Is that so hard for you?
Asking someone to back up what? That someone may or may not behave in a certain manner?

Let me see if I can find the Roger Carr's Psychological State link ... or possibly that new report Behaviorism in Modern Society Details Roger Carr ...

How can anyone back up an opinion that "maybe" that family learned from David's failure?

Funny ...
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Asking someone to back up what? That someone may or may not behave in a certain manner?

Let me see if I can find the Roger Carr's Psychological State link ... or possibly that new report Behaviorism in Modern Society Details Roger Carr ...

How can anyone back up an opinion that "maybe" that family learned from David's failure?

Funny ...
It isn't unreasonable to ask for any reason or evidence for why you think he has changed. Sounds like the answer is you hope he has.
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