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Old 01-16-2014   #61
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Another thing... has the #1 & 2 player ever came from the same school?
Good question. I tried Googling this, but came up with nothing. Maybe a better Googler or someone that remembers can answer, cause I'm interested.

The Sooners thing is nuts, I completely forgot about that.
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...Another thing, has the #1 & #2 player ever came from the same school?
Three time that I see...

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2000	1	1	Courtney Brown	DE	CLE  Penn St.
2000	1	2	LaVar Arrington	LB	WAS  Penn St.

1984	1	1	Irving Fryar	WR	NWE  Nebraska
1984	1	2	Dean Steinkuhler T	HOU  Nebraska

1967	1	1	Bubba Smith	DE	BAL  Michigan St.
1967	1	2	Clint Jones	RB	MIN  Michigan St.
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That being said, what I expected to see from A. Barr has not met the reality of what I have seen over the past 24hours of watching him.

Draft valuation is about defining a player's short/long term developmental potential & role, and setting a minimum level of expectations.

....and it wasn't even close. He wanted NO part of that physical style of play. Need to watch A LOT more...

Considering level of comp when evaluating OL/DL/Pass Rushers is critical. Anthony Barr was physically dominated by A. Peat vs Stanford.

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1Jadeveon Clowney *AGE: 20DOB: 2/14/93HT: 6-6WT: 265POS: DE

2Anthony BarrAGE: 21DOB: 3/18/92HT: 6-4WT: 244POS: OLB

3Jake MatthewsAGE: 21DOB: 2/11/92HT: 6-5WT: 305POS: OT

4Greg Robinson **AGE: 21DOB: 10/21/92HT: 6-5WT: 320POS: OT

5Khalil MackAGE: 22DOB: 2/22/91HT: 6-3WT: 248POS: OLB

6Sammy Watkins *AGE: 20DOB: 6/14/93HT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR

7Eric Ebron *AGE: 20DOB: 4/10/93HT: 6-4WT: 245POS: TE

8Taylor LewanAGE: 22DOB: 7/21/91HT: 6-8WT: 308POS: OT

9Teddy Bridgewater *AGE: 21DOB: 11/10/92HT: 6-3WT: 218POS: QB

10Blake Bortles *AGE: 22DOB: 12/16/91HT: 6-4WT: 230POS: QB

11Johnny Manziel **AGE: 21DOB: 12/6/92HT: 6-1WT: 206POS: QB

12Timmy Jernigan *AGE: 21DOB: 9/24/92HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

13C.J. MosleyAGE: 21DOB: 6/19/92HT: 6-2WT: 232POS: LB

14Marqise Lee *AGE: 22DOB: 11/25/91HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: WR

15Mike Evans **AGE: 20DOB: 8/21/93HT: 6-5WT: 220POS: WR

16Justin GilbertAGE: 22DOB: 11/7/91HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

17Zack MartinAGE: 23DOB: 11/20/90HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

18Darqueze DennardAGE: 22DOB: 10/10/91HT: 5-11WT: 197POS: CB

19Ryan Shazier *AGE: 21DOB: 9/6/92HT: 6-2WT: 225POS: OLB

20Stephon Tuitt *AGE: 20DOB: 5/23/93HT: 6-7WT: 315POS: DE

21Cyrus Kouandjio *AGE: 20DOB: 7/21/93HT: 6-6WT: 311POS: OT

22Louis Nix III *AGE: 22DOB: 7/31/91HT: 6-3WT: 326POS: DT

23Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *AGE: 21DOB: 12/21/92HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

24Calvin Pryor *AGE: 21DOB: 7/2/92HT: 6-2WT: 208POS: S

25Jace Amaro *AGE: 21DOB: 6/26/92HT: 6-5WT: 255POS: TE
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Can 'translate' to anything. Coaches adjust to great talent -- don't overthink system fit. RT @dPete29 Could Clowney translate to a 3-4?

Lastly: Taylor Lewan has been on my Big Board forever, and he's getting a lot of positive reviews as teams dig in. Solid stock.

Could go in Round 1. RT @KobrockE What are your thoughts on Landry from LSU. With a class this deep, should he have stayed at LSU?

If you count tight ends (Ebron, Amaro, Niklas come to mind), wouldn't be at all surprised by 10+ pass-catches drafted in Round 1.

Don't assume Clinton-Dix of Bama is a lock to be the top safety taken. Calvin Pryor is ahead for some teams. Really close for me.

A few nuggets: I count 12 wide receivers that could have a 1st Round grade on them if you combined team boards. It's early, but deep class.
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1Johnny Manziel *Houston Texans (2-14)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 205POS: QB

Analysis: My internal debate here was Mr. Football or Mr. Clowney. Thing is, I don't think that's too much different than the scenario going on with Houston right now -- just add a few players to the mix. In Manziel, you get a quarterback who in my opinion is ready to play NFL football and make plays, and is preparing with the goal of helping a team right away. In Jadeveon Clowney, you get the most talented player in the draft, a defensive force to pair somewhere along the line with J.J. Watt and create major problems for opposing offenses. Right now I'll stick with the early bet on Manziel, and the idea that coach Bill O'Brien becomes convinced this is his QB of the future.

2Greg Robinson *St. Louis Rams (7-9) (From WAS)
COLLEGE: AuburnAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 320POS: OT

3Jadeveon Clowney *Jacksonville Jaguars (4-12)
COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 274POS: DE

Analysis: The owner in Jacksonville has made it pretty clear that the search for a quarterback is on, and the draft is a place they'll be looking. While I think they'd be a good fit for Manziel, in this scenario he's not around, and they instead go with the top pass-rusher in the draft. Make no mistake, QB is a huge need, but the Jags have been looking to improve the pass rush for years. If they love one of the other QB possibilities, that could certainly be the pick, but if the board breaks this way, I think Clowney proves irresistible.

4Teddy Bridgewater *Cleveland Browns (4-12)
COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 22HT: 6-2WT: 220POS: QB

Analysis: I think it's fair to say that for the first time in a while, the Browns have the talent in place to really help a young quarterback succeed. The presence of Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and the results those two were able to put up last season with pretty mixed levels of QB play should give the Browns' front office a reasonable level of confidence that a good decision-maker with a high level of accuracy has a chance to succeed early. And while Bridgewater still has areas where he needs to show growth, particularly in proving he can drive the ball down the field with accuracy on a consistent level, I think he also has a lot of traits that translate to early success. He reads defenses well before and after the snap, moves extremely well within the pocket, and delivers the ball on time, allowing pass-catchers to make plays. If Manziel is available here, he could certainly be the pick, but Bridgewater is no consolation prize on my board.

5Sammy Watkins *Oakland Raiders (4-12)
COLLEGE: ClemsonAGE: 20HT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR

6Anthony BarrAtlanta Falcons (4-12)
COLLEGE: UCLAAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 248POS: OLB/DE

7Khalil MackTampa Bay Buccaneers (4-12)
COLLEGE: BuffaloAGE: 22HT: 6-3WT: 245POS: OLB

Analysis: I'm sticking with this pick from the previous mock, as Mack gives the Bucs a much-needed edge rusher with three-down capabilities because of his great leverage against the run and ability to drop into space and both cover and tackle. I expect big things from Mack at the combine. He'll face questions on his competition level, but I'm confident he'll prove he's as good an athlete as almost any defensive player in the draft.

8Blake Bortles *Minnesota Vikings (5-10-1)
COLLEGE: UCFAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 230POS: QB

Analysis: The Vikings lack any sense of certainty at the QB position. While I think Bortles will have a bit of a learning curve because he needs to gain much greater consistency with his ball placement, he has tremendous physical upside, with a big frame that can really move, which will provide an added dimension to help the offense move the ball as the passing aspect steadily improves. Can Bortles start right away for a team that wants to take a step forward? i think that's a question for the process.

9Jake MatthewsBuffalo Bills (6-10)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 22HT: 6-5WT: 305POS: OT

10Justin GilbertDetroit Lions (7-9)
COLLEGE: Oklahoma St.AGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

Analysis: Gilbert has some competition to be the first corner taken, but I expect him to put up some pretty impressive numbers at the combine. He should prove to be a pretty big draw in a league where big corners who can battle at the catch point but also have elite speed and quickness are coveted. Detroit should get some development at corner on the current roster, but also could face some turnover. They need to place a bet on another young corner or two.

11Taylor LewanTennessee Titans (7-9)
COLLEGE: MichiganAGE: 22HT: 6-7WT: 315POS: OT

Analysis: This is another pick I'm sticking with, as the Titans have some decisions to make at tackle both this offseason and next with current personnel, and Lewan could come in and provide immediate help, as well as a bridge to life after Michael Roos at left tackle. Lewan plays with a solid base and is particularly good as a run-blocker, but has the combination of power, length and good feet to handle both speed and power rushers. Going back to his junior season, he handled Jadeveon Clowney pretty well.

12C.J. MosleyNew York Giants (7-9)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 232POS: LB

Analysis: I await the inevitable critique that the Giants never take linebackers in the first round, but I'll stick with this pick. (I know the people who authored that philosophy, so consider me unafraid to be wrong here.) I just think Mosley is as close to a plug-and-perform linebacker as you can have in this draft because of his range and special ability to cover. The guy would really help against the offenses the G-Men see in the NFC East. The Giants were helped by the presence of Jon Beason last season, but this unit is a major question mark going forward, and they could use an impact talent, not just a Band-Aid.

13Mike Evans *St. Louis Rams (7-9)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 225POS: WR

14Timmy Jernigan *Chicago Bears (8-8)
COLLEGE: Florida St.AGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

15Louis Nix III Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 22HT: 6-3WT: 345POS: DT

16Eric Ebron *Baltimore Ravens (8-8)^
COLLEGE: North CarolinaAGE: 20HT: 6-4WT: 231POS: TE

17Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *Dallas Cowboys (8-8)^
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 21HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

18Marqise Lee *New York Jets (8-8)
COLLEGE: USCAGE: 22HT: 6-1WT: 198POS: WR

19Zack MartinMiami Dolphins (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre DameAGE: 23HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

20Cyrus Kouandjio *Arizona Cardinals (10-6)
COLLEGE: AlabamaAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 315POS: OT

21Calvin Pryor *Green Bay Packers (8-7-1)
COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 208POS: S

22Odell Beckham Jr. *Philadelphia Eagles (10-6)
COLLEGE: LSUAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 193POS: WR

23Kelvin Benjamin *Kansas City Chiefs (11-5)
COLLEGE: Florida St.AGE: 22HT: 6-4WT: 232POS: WR

24Darqueze DennardCincinnati Bengals (11-5)
COLLEGE: Michigan St.AGE: 22HT: 5-11WT: 197POS: CB

25Marcus Roberson *San Diego Chargers (9-7)
COLLEGE: FloridaAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: CB

26Davante Adams *Cleveland Browns (4-12) (From IND)
COLLEGE: Fresno St.AGE: 21HT: 6-2WT: 214POS: WR

27Antonio Richardson *New Orleans Saints (11-5)
COLLEGE: TennesseeAGE: 21HT: 6-6WT: 327POS: OT

28Brandin Cooks *Carolina Panthers (12-4)
COLLEGE: Oregon St.AGE: 21HT: 5-10WT: 186POS: WR

29Jace Amaro *New England Patriots (12-4)
COLLEGE: Texas TechAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 260POS: TE

30Jarvis Landry *San Francisco 49ers (12-4)
COLLEGE: LSUAGE: 21HT: 6-1WT: 195POS: WR

31Bradley Roby *Denver Broncos (13-3)
COLLEGE: Ohio St.AGE: 21HT: 5-11WT: 192POS: CB

32Allen Robinson *Seattle Seahawks (13-3)
COLLEGE: Penn St.AGE: 21HT: 6-3WT: 210POS: WR
9 WRs in first.
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Kiper conference call:

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I know Kiper is getting picked on for the consensus stuff. I think if he defined it, "majority" would be a more appropriate word.

And that does it for the call. Nice to see Kiper can get you all riled up, haha.

Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Kiper says Tim Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.

Hopping on a Mel Kiper call and will tweet a bunch. If you're not a Mel fan, you may want to unfollow for about two hours.
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1Johnny Manziel *Houston Texans (2-14)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 205POS: QB

Analysis: My internal debate here was Mr. Football or Mr. Clowney. Thing is, I don't think that's too much different than the scenario going on with Houston right now -- just add a few players to the mix. In Manziel, you get a quarterback who in my opinion is ready to play NFL football and make plays, and is preparing with the goal of helping a team right away. In Jadeveon Clowney, you get the most talented player in the draft, a defensive force to pair somewhere along the line with J.J. Watt and create major problems for opposing offenses. Right now I'll stick with the early bet on Manziel, and the idea that coach Bill O'Brien becomes convinced this is his QB of the future.
I'd like to hear him substantiate the bolded.

I like Manziel. I think there is enough "buzz" around him to compensate for his shortcomings (no pun intended), enough excitement for a #1 overall selection.... But I'll never say he's "ready" to play NFL football. He'll play his brand of football & we'll see if the NFL is ready for him, but that's a different story.

I won't have a problem if the Texans draft him #1 overall, but I'll be upset if he's put into a position where he has to start day 1; i.e. they cut Matt Schaub, don't bring in a vet, or don't give Keenum/Yates a real opportunity to win the job.

I want our focus to be on winning, not developing a QB (like we did from 2004 - 2006).
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3Jadeveon Clowney *Jacksonville Jaguars (4-12)
COLLEGE: South CarolinaAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 274POS: DE

Analysis: The owner in Jacksonville has made it pretty clear that the search for a quarterback is on, and the draft is a place they'll be looking. While I think they'd be a good fit for Manziel, in this scenario he's not around, and they instead go with the top pass-rusher in the draft. Make no mistake, QB is a huge need, but the Jags have been looking to improve the pass rush for years. If they love one of the other QB possibilities, that could certainly be the pick, but if the board breaks this way, I think Clowney proves irresistible.

4Teddy Bridgewater *Cleveland Browns (4-12)
COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 22HT: 6-2WT: 220POS: QB
Again, I think it's interesting that Bridgewater gets past St. Louis & Jacksonville. If he's a sure fire "franchise" QB, no way these two QB needy teams pass on him. No way.

I understand it would be the same for Manziel, & I would feel the same... I don't think we should take either at 1-1, but I can understand the "excitement" factor around Manziel..... even though that never ends well for the team taking the "excitement" pick.

But I can understand it.
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When Kiper talks about teams, he really means scouts on teams right?
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When Kiper talks about teams, he really means scouts on teams right?
Or scouts with the scouting services, more likely. Any "team" that says anything to Kiper at this time of year is gaming the draft.

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1Jadeveon Clowney *AGE: 20DOB: 2/14/93HT: 6-6WT: 265POS: DE

I expect Clowney to have an outstanding combine and further cement his standing. Clowney has a special range of traits and talent, with the quickness to beat people at the point of attack, the power to run through blockers and the speed to pursue plays all over the field. He's not just an edge-rusher looking to quickly turn the corner; he doesn't even bend that well. He can win with quickness or power and succeed in any scheme. Need will factor into where he lands in the draft, especially given so much need at quarterback among teams drafting early.

2Greg Robinson **AGE: 21DOB: 10/21/92HT: 6-5WT: 320POS: OT

Robinson is now my best bet to be the first offensive lineman taken, and I think his athleticism will shine in Indy. He is certainly a possibility to go with one of the top two picks, and it mainly would be because his tape from 2013 is exceptional. Brought in as a guard, Robinson started at left tackle in the SEC as a redshirt freshman and held his own. Last season, he was dominant, with increased strength making him closer to that complete package at tackle. He moves well, can get out in the run game and block in space and pass protects well with a wide base and quick feet. He also has long arms and delivers a solid punch. A potential star.

3Khalil MackAGE: 22DOB: 2/22/91HT: 6-3WT: 248POS: OLB

I expect Mack to put on a show in Indy, with good speed, agility and leaping ability and adequate length. Scouts are getting caught up on his tape, but those who haven't aren't missing constant dominance so much as versatility. You'll see Mack lining up both at the line and on the perimeter. He is versatile and capable of rushing the passer with quickness and power or dropping into coverage with a great ability to shed tackles and make plays in the open field. He uses good leverage to take on blocks and drive people back and uses quickness and strong hands to shed. He plays with a great motor and tackles with form.

4Jake MatthewsAGE: 22DOB: 2/11/92HT: 6-5WT: 305POS: OT

There has been some chatter that Matthews could move off left tackle, but his ceiling to me is still as a very good NFL player at that position. Matthews has a ton of experience and a feisty, competitive nature. He is a very good pass protector, with good balance, feet and hand use, and he plays prepared as an intense worker who carries great NFL bloodlines; his father, brother and two cousins have played in the league. I also like his ability to finish in the run game, where he shows off a nasty streak.

5Sammy Watkins *AGE: 20DOB: 6/14/93HT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR

6Anthony BarrAGE: 21DOB: 3/18/92HT: 6-4WT: 244POS: OLB

7Eric Ebron *AGE: 20DOB: 4/10/93HT: 6-4WT: 245POS: TE

8Taylor LewanAGE: 22DOB: 7/21/91HT: 6-8WT: 308POS: OT

9Teddy Bridgewater *AGE: 21DOB: 11/10/92HT: 6-3WT: 218POS: QB

Given the QB needs across the top of the draft board, we can't rule out Bridgewater as a potential top pick. He is poised and smart and is the QB in this draft class who most regularly made throws with good timing and anticipation. He throws to spots and openings, not just to open targets. Bridgewater also has a good blend of adequate arm strength to drive the ball into tight windows and the touch to drop the ball into holes in coverage. He adjusts his velocity really well, depending on the depth and location of the pass. He does a good job pre-snap, gets through his progressions and often scans the whole field. His ball placement is consistently good.

10Blake Bortles *AGE: 22DOB: 12/16/91HT: 6-4WT: 230POS: QB

I would love to see him throw in Indy, but I'm not sure he will. When ball placement is a concern, throwing to unfamiliar targets might be off the script. Bortles offers an enticing blend of the size you traditionally look for at quarterback with the athleticism that is now coveted across the NFL as more offenses put mobility to good use. He has the work ethic that will get more people to believe in his ceiling. He has sound mechanics, though almost rigidly so, and shows poise and good footwork in the pocket. He has above-average arm strength and can drive the ball pretty well on intermediate throws. The big issue is inconsistent ball placement; he can ask a lot of his wide receivers.

11Johnny Manziel **AGE: 21DOB: 12/6/92HT: 6-1WT: 206POS: QB

The modern NFL is a good fit for a player with Manziel's skill set. His ability to move, improvise and make throws off platform are all special traits, but he's also an effective pocket passer when he wants to be. He anticipates well and sees the whole field, and though he doesn't have great arm strength, he can make special throws with touch and precision both from the pocket and on the move. He would deliver strikes with more velocity if he kept his feet underneath him consistently. I'm concerned that he'll allow himself to take too many hits, but he can learn not to. I also think he can prepare at an elite level and is one of the greatest competitors I've ever seen.

12Timmy Jernigan *AGE: 21DOB: 9/24/92HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

13C.J. MosleyAGE: 21DOB: 6/19/92HT: 6-2WT: 232POS: LB

14Marqise Lee *AGE: 22DOB: 11/25/91HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: WR

15Mike Evans **AGE: 20DOB: 8/21/93HT: 6-5WT: 220POS: WR

16Louis Nix III *AGE: 22DOB: 7/31/91HT: 6-3WT: 326POS: DT

17Zack MartinAGE: 23DOB: 11/20/90HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

18Justin GilbertAGE: 22DOB: 11/7/91HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

19Darqueze DennardAGE: 22DOB: 10/10/91HT: 5-11WT: 197POS: CB

20Cyrus Kouandjio *AGE: 20DOB: 7/21/93HT: 6-6WT: 311POS: OT

21Odell Beckham Jr. *AGE: 21DOB: 11/5/92HT: 6-0WT: 187POS: WR

22Calvin Pryor *AGE: 21DOB: 7/2/92HT: 6-2WT: 208POS: S

23Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *AGE: 21DOB: 12/21/92HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

24Jace Amaro *AGE: 21DOB: 6/26/92HT: 6-5WT: 255POS: TE

25Ryan Shazier *AGE: 21DOB: 9/6/92HT: 6-2WT: 225POS: OLB
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Mel Kiper is such a joke.

Why does anyone even follow this guy anymore?

I think it's ABUNDANTLY clear that nothing he says is ever his anymore.

Scroll up this page and look at what he said on 2/06. 7 days ago!!

You can't have swings like that in 7 Freaking days! You don't just throw away your big board from week to week if it truly is yours.

I'm not gonna sit here and say mine hasn't changed or things haven't happened, but my swings are very subtle, as I think most that are truly doing this with their own brains are. You don't watch a guy, call him #1, then 7 days later call him #11 even though you watched all the other guys 7 days before too.

What an absolute joke.

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Or scouts with the scouting services, more likely. Any "team" that says anything to Kiper at this time of year is gaming the draft.
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1 Jadeveon Clowney

2 Greg Robinson

3 Khalil Mack

4 Jake Matthews

5 Sammy Watkins

6 Anthony Barr

7 Eric Ebron

8 Taylor Lewan

9 Teddy Bridgewater

Given the QB needs across the top of the draft board, we can't rule out Bridgewater as a potential top pick.

10 Blake Bortles

11 Johnny Manziel

12 Timmy Jernigan

13 C.J. Mosley

14 Marqise Lee

15 Mike Evans

16 Louis Nix III

17 Zack Martin

18 Justin Gilbert

19 Darqueze Dennard

20 Cyrus Kouandjio

21 Odell Beckham Jr.

22 Calvin Pryor

23 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

24 Jace Amaro

25 Ryan Shazier
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Starting to look more "right" it's the QB need that will drive these QBs to top 5 picks. There's nothing wrong with that. Happens almost every year.
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I still think Bridgewater has the lowest floor. What gets said about Bridgewater consistently is that he is a good decision maker with poise that goes through his progressions and scans the field well pre/post snap. He can start from day 1 with decent effectiveness in most any system. I hesitate to say that with Manziel, I think he'll need and OC that shapes the playbook around his strengths and weaknesses. He might have some growing pains initially, but I still like his decision making and awareness, my main concern with him is durability. Bortles needs the most progression and coaching up of the three, I think it will be hard for him to be effective day 1, I think he still needs to learn how to see the whole field and go through his progressions. All three are first rounders in my mind. Bridgewater to me is the best bet to succeed, Manziel has the highest ceiling, Bortles has the lowest floor.
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Mel Kiper is such a joke.

Why does anyone even follow this guy anymore?

I think it's ABUNDANTLY clear that nothing he says is ever his anymore.

Scroll up this page and look at what he said on 2/06. 7 days ago!!

You can't have swings like that in 7 Freaking days! You don't just throw about your big board from week to week if it truly is yours.
I don't know why people keep laying this criticism at his feet every year. His model and yours are not the same and in his swings do make sense. He unabashedly moves people based on "what I am hearing." That isn't something you can say because people inside teams and scouting agencies aren't talking to you on the side.

I am not defending the accuracy of his big board. Just commenting that he and say Mike Mayock don't claim to do the same thing and shouldn't be expected to do the same thing.
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I don't know why people keep laying this criticism at his feet every year. His model and yours are not the same and in his swings do make sense. He unabashedly moves people based on "what I am hearing." That isn't something you can say because people inside teams and scouting agencies aren't talking to you on the side.

I am not defending the accuracy of his big board. Just commenting that he and say Mike Mayock don't claim to do the same thing and shouldn't be expected to do the same thing.
So if his big board is just him parroting what his sources are saying, that tells me that his sources arent very good or reliable.
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I still think Bridgewater has the lowest floor.
I think it's difficult to judge his floor when you consider he wasn't playing the best of the best week in & week out. In the NFL, the competition he's going to see every week is going to be better than the best defense he saw all year.

Guys like Flacco & Roethlisberger were able to deal with it... so I'm not saying Bridgewater can't. Just that it's difficult to determine his floor.
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I think the problem that most people have with Kiper is how critical he is with people who don't agree with him. Which is ironic because his "opinions" were not crafted from his own study of the players but are instead crafted from talking to people who do study the players.

I have no problem with his work. But his attitude is annoying. If he were forced to watch film on his own without guidance from others he wouldn't know what he was looking at. He has no ammo to back up his arguments other than just repeating things that he was told by others.
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I think the problem that most people have with Kiper is how critical he is with people who don't agree with him. Which is ironic because his "opinions" were not crafted from his own study of the players but are instead crafted from talking to people who do study the players.

I have no problem with his work. But his attitude is annoying. If he were forced to watch film on his own without guidance from others he wouldn't know what he was looking at. He has no ammo to back up his arguments other than just repeating things that he was told by others.
Now that's valid criticism. It was the nature of the criticism I was objecting to earlier.
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Now that's valid criticism. It was the nature of the criticism I was objecting to earlier.
I agree with your earlier post. Kiper is not like Mayock and has never claimed to be.
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