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Old 01-09-2014   #41
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Show me one person who has never made a poor judgment on a prospect. It happens,,,,,, a lot!
Also, the same guy who guaranteed that neither Carr nor Harrington would be busts at QB.
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Meh, if you don't like Kiper's opinions that's fine. But they aren't really his opinions. Kiper doesn't know a power play from an iso. He's a mouthpiece with good connections.
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If you must know, I replied to the link he posted. The mods must have merged the threads. There was 2 weeks between my most recent post in this thread & the last post in the original.
Sorry you ponied up for it... not much there, imo, but it does spur conversation here while we watch the good teams play on.
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Show me one person who has never made a poor judgment on a prospect. It happens,,,,,, a lot!
But that is HIS job, that is ALL he does is research, evaluate and collect data on college draftees. Doesn't matter what someone else does, this is his job.

You would think someone who does this 24/7 365 would have know by doing his research that Jamarcus Russell was a fat, lazy SOB, that was now where NEAR John Elways skill set, 1 great game and should have NEVER been the #1 draft pick...

Keiper could tell me my hair is on fire, I still would not believe anything he has to say...
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But that is HIS job, that is ALL he does is research, evaluate and collect data on college draftees. Doesn't matter what someone else does, this is his job.

You would think someone who does this 24/7 365 would have know by doing his research that Jamarcus Russell was a fat, lazy SOB, that was now where NEAR John Elways skill set, 1 great game and should have NEVER been the #1 draft pick...

Keiper could tell me my hair is on fire, I still would not believe anything he has to say...
It used to be his job. He started out in his parents garage and grew it from there. Today his job is a ESPN analyst, that means Kiper spends most of his time in production meetings, on air preparation and doing numerous on air segments throughout the day. Kiper does not have the time to dedicate to full time college players evaluations and draft preparations. He leaves most of that to the ESPN research staff.
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Kiper was also huge on Matt Leinart and Mike Williams.
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Kiper was also huge on Matt Leinart and Mike Williams.
I think Leinart was a bust due to lack of effort more than anything else. The stuff I heard about him from a friend in Phoenix was pretty entertaining. He was a party-boy 8 days a week.
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Show me one person who has never made a poor judgment on a prospect. It happens,,,,,, a lot!
I agree with BullNation. It sure seems to happen to Kiper a lot MORE! So much that if he says it's night I'll be wearin' my .
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The huddlereport on mock draft accuracy... over the last handful of years

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
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The huddlereport on mock draft accuracy... over the last handful of years

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Where's Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd McShay ranked???

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Where's Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd McShay ranked???

Not even on the list.

Surprised to see LZ so high and Gil Brandt so low.
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The huddlereport on mock draft accuracy... over the last handful of years

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Bottom 5:

5 (tied): Bucky Brooks and Mark Dulgerian
4: Jason McIntyre
3: Anthony Macari
2: John Clemens
1 (worst): Steve Bischoff

Guess we can take their professional opinions for what they're worth.
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1jadeveon clowney *age: 20dob: 2/14/93ht: 6-6wt: 265pos: De
tkl 41sack 3.0int 0
not a lock for one of the top two or three spots, but still the top prospect. Need will factor in. Clowney has the quickness to beat people at the point of attack, the power to run through blockers and the speed to pursue all over. He's not just an edge rusher looking to quickly turn the corner; he doesn't even bend that well. He beats average tackles both inside and outside with his first step.

2anthony barrage: 21dob: 3/18/92ht: 6-4wt: 244pos: Olb
tkl 66sack 10.0int 0
could be the pass-rusher taken ahead of clowney based on scheme. A disruptive force even with added attention, barr became a more complete player this season. He's a good pass-rusher, using quick feet and hands to free himself, and he's disciplined. I love his pursuit when the play runs away from him. A former fullback, he has a powerful lower half and a long frame and reach.

3jake matthewsage: 21dob: 2/11/92ht: 6-5wt: 305pos: Ot
gp 13gs 13

4greg robinson **age: 21dob: 10/21/92ht: 6-5wt: 320pos: Ot
gp 14gs 14
now declared, he has a chance to be the first left tackle taken. Brought in as a guard, robinson started at left tackle in the sec as a redshirt freshman and held his own. This year, he was dominant, with increased strength making him closer to that complete package at tackle. He moves really well, can get out in the run game and block in space (as you saw in the bcs title game), but does so with a powerful lower half that makes him tough to push backward, too; he has long arms and delivers a solid punch. He gets a good push in the run game and can get out in front. Could become a special player at tackle.

5khalil mackage: 22dob: 2/22/91ht: 6-3wt: 248pos: Olb
tkl 100sack 11.0int 3
the senior bowl will be big for mack, who really only gets knocked on competition level. But i've said before you really have to watch him play and see how he lines up all over the field and can do everything. He is versatile and capable of rushing the passer with quickness and power, dropping into coverage, shedding tackles and making plays in the open field. He uses proper leverage to take on blocks and drive people back and uses quickness and strong hands to shed. Plays with a great motor, but smart.

6sammy watkins *age: 20dob: 6/14/93ht: 6-1wt: 205pos: Wr
rec 101yds 1,464avg 14.5td 12

7eric ebron *age: 20dob: 4/10/93ht: 6-4wt: 245pos: Te
rec 62yds 973avg 15.7td 3
a likely bet to be the first tight end taken, with the skills to put him into the range more typical of the first wide receiver taken. He has the length and flexibility to haul in anything you throw his way, can be split out and can make plays after the catch. Has the size to overwhelm cornerbacks and most safeties, good burst and above-average straight-line speed. He can go up and get the ball and does a good job of catching it with his hands away from his body. Great body control allows him to haul in errant throws. A qb's best friend.

8teddy bridgewater *age: 21dob: 11/10/92ht: 6-3wt: 218pos: Qb
comp 303att 427pct 71.0yds 3,970td 31int 4
demand dictates he made a smart decision to enter the draft. Bridgewater is poised and smart and is the qb most regularly making nfl throws with timing and anticipation in this class, throwing not just to players, but to spots. He has a good blend of arm strength to drive the ball into tight windows and the sense of when to take some heat off the ball. He throws a very catchable ball. He moves his eyes quickly and often scans the whole field. When he sees a target, he has a quick release, enough velocity and good ball placement.

9blake bortles *age: 22dob: 12/16/91ht: 6-4wt: 230pos: Qb
comp 259att 382pct 64.5yds 3,581td 25int 9
bortles offers a good blend of the size traditionalists want at the qb position and the athleticism that is now more coveted as nfl offenses often look to put the quarterback's feet to good use. He has sound mechanics, though almost rigidly so, and shows poise and good footwork in the pocket. He has above-average arm strength based on my reviews, can drive the ball pretty well on intermediate throws, and while he's generally accurate, he can be inconsistent with his ball placement and ask a lot of his wide receivers, an area where bridgewater has been better so far. The ucf offense also turned a lot of short throws into huge plays, inflating passing totals a bit.

Previous ranking: Nr

10timmy jernigan *age: 21dob: 9/24/92ht: 6-2wt: 298pos: Dt
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11taylor lewanage: 22dob: 7/21/91ht: 6-8wt: 308pos: Ot
gp 13gs 13

12johnny manziel **age: 21dob: 12/6/92ht: 6-0wt: 206pos: Qb
comp 300att 429pct 69.9yds 4,114td 37int 14
highly competitive, manziel is known as an improviser, but is also an effective pocket passer and sees the field well from there. He doesn't have a special arm, but can make special throws because he has tremendous touch and the ability to deliver off-balance. He would deliver strikes with more velocity if he kept his feet underneath him consistently. Height will always be a question because it does offer its advantages, but manziel has proven it won't hurt him much. The final question: How well does he interview and deal with the scrutiny and bright lights of the draft process?

13c.j. Mosleyage: 21dob: 6/19/92ht: 6-2wt: 232pos: Lb
tkl 106sack 0int 0

14marqise lee *age: 22dob: 11/25/91ht: 6-1wt: 195pos: Wr
rec 57yds 791avg 13.9td 4

15mike evans **age: 20dob: 8/21/93ht: 6-4wt: 220pos: Wr
rec 69yds 1,394avg 20.2td 12
somewhat reminiscent of alshon jeffery in that he creates value in his ability to make contested catches, using his reach, jumping ability and long frame to beat shorter defenders, but is forced to make that kind of catch because he can't run away from defenders, or create much separation with quickness. Evans could be used on the edge or in the slot to create matchup problems and should make for a very good possession target. I'm sure he'll be working on speed and quickness in draft prep.

Previous rank: No. Nr | player card

16justin gilbert age: 22dob: 11/7/91ht: 6-0wt: 200pos: Cb
tkl 42sack 0int 7

17stephon tuitt *age: 20dob: 5/23/93ht: 6-6wt: 315pos: De
tkl 49sack 7.5int 1
tuitt could shine during the draft process given his combination of elite quickness and great size; i've compared him to a young richard seymour. He offers tremendous burst and power and the ability to work inside or outside and create pressure. Teams looking for a penetrating 3-4 de will like his potential, but when healthy, he can also provide a pass rush as a 4-3 de, which is saying something for someone playing at about 320 pounds.

Previous rank: No. 8

18carlos hyde age: 22dob: 9/20/91ht: 6-0wt: 242pos: Rb
att 208yds 1,521avg 7.3td 15

19darqueze dennard age: 22dob: 10/10/91ht: 5-11wt: 197pos: Cb
tkl 62sack 0int 4

20kony ealy * age: 22dob: 12/21/91ht: 6-5wt: 274pos: De
tkl 42sack 8.0int 1
while ealy doesn't jump off the screen with quickness, he's a very good athlete for a 4-3 defensive end, and can close quickly, covering a lot of ground in just a few strides. He also has good length and will hold his rush to eye the passer and get his hands into passing lanes. Ealy also has the ability to move inside where he can get in gaps and provide an interior pass rush, mostly with quickness. While i think he lacks the size to be a true 3-technique, his frame could support more if he wants to muscle up, and i think coaches in any system will consider him a possibility. He just needs to get off blocks better, because his ability to shed doesn't match up to his level of athleticism.

21ryan shazier *age: 21dob: 9/6/92ht: 6-2wt: 225pos: Olb
tkl 142sack 6.0int 0
versatile, quick, instinctive and a strong tackler, shazier lacks size, but the nfl demands that linebackers can really run, too. He anticipates, plays sideline to sideline and will track tight ends and running backs in coverage with the burst and agility to stay with them. In the mold of a lavonte david, shazier is a linebacker who looks like an oversized safety but does a great job of tracking and making tackles.

22vic beasley *age: 21dob: 7/8/92ht: 6-3wt: 235pos: Lb
tkl 40sack 13.0int 0

23cyrus kouandjio *age: 20dob: 7/21/93ht: 6-6wt: 311pos: Ot
gp 13gs 13

24louis nix iii *age: 22dob: 7/31/91ht: 6-3wt: 326pos: Dt
tkl 27sack 0int 0
a rare commodity, at his best he has the rare size and strength to handle a zero-technique role, keeping multiple blockers occupied and eating up two gaps while making life easy for linebackers cleaning up against the run. But he's not limited to that because he can really move, at least a lot better than you would expect from a player his size. Nix is occasionally moved too easily and loses gap control.

25ha ha clinton-dix *age: 20dob: 12/21/92ht: 6-1wt: 208pos: S

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1 Jadeveon Clowney AGE: 20DOB: 2/14/93HT: 6-6WT: 265POS: DE

2 Anthony Barr AGE: 21DOB: 3/18/92HT: 6-4WT: 244POS: OLB

3 Jake Matthews AGE: 21DOB: 2/11/92HT: 6-5WT: 305POS: OT

4 Greg Robinson AGE: 21DOB: 10/21/92HT: 6-5WT: 320POS: OT

5 Khalil Mack AGE: 22DOB: 2/22/91HT: 6-3WT: 248POS: OLB

6 Sammy Watkins AGE: 20DOB: 6/14/93HT: 6-1WT: 205POS: WR

7 Eric Ebron AGE: 20DOB: 4/10/93HT: 6-4WT: 245POS: TE

8 Taylor Lewan AGE: 22DOB: 7/21/91HT: 6-8WT: 308POS: OT

9 Teddy Bridgewater AGE: 21DOB: 11/10/92HT: 6-3WT: 218POS: QB

10 Blake Bortles AGE: 22DOB: 12/16/91HT: 6-4WT: 230POS: QB

11 Johnny Manziel AGE: 21DOB: 12/6/92HT: 6-1WT: 206POS: QB

12 Timmy Jernigan AGE: 21DOB: 9/24/92HT: 6-2WT: 298POS: DT

13 C.J. Mosley AGE: 21DOB: 6/19/92HT: 6-2WT: 232POS: LB

14 Marqise Lee AGE: 22DOB: 11/25/91HT: 6-0WT: 195POS: WR

15 Mike Evans AGE: 20DOB: 8/21/93HT: 6-5WT: 220POS: WR

16 Justin Gilbert AGE: 22DOB: 11/7/91HT: 6-0WT: 200POS: CB

17 Carlos Hyde AGE: 22DOB: 9/20/91HT: 6-0WT: 242POS: RB

18 Darqueze Dennard AGE: 22DOB: 10/10/91HT: 5-11WT: 197POS: CB

19 Ryan Shazier AGE: 21DOB: 9/6/92HT: 6-2WT: 225POS: OLB

20 Stephon Tuitt AGE: 20DOB: 5/23/93HT: 6-7WT: 315POS: DE

21 Cyrus Kouandjio AGE: 20DOB: 7/21/93HT: 6-6WT: 311POS: OT

22 Louis Nix III AGE: 22DOB: 7/31/91HT: 6-3WT: 326POS: DT

23 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AGE: 21DOB: 12/21/92HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

24 Jace Amaro AGE: 21DOB: 6/26/92HT: 6-5WT: 255POS: TE

25 Calvin Pryor AGE: 21DOB: 7/2/92HT: 6-2WT: 208POS: S
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If that is his "big board" why was his mock today so out of wack with this? He had the 2nd best QB taken over the 1st. The best taken 3rd. The 2nd best OLB taken over the 1st, etc.

I don't have insider, but I saw his top 10 on my buddies computer

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If that is his "big board" why was his mock today so out of wack with this?...
"League sources"... "team needs"... "what I'm hearing"... yada, yada. It's "lie to Kiper" season.

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If that is his "big board" why was his mock today so out of wack with this? He had the 2nd best QB taken over the 1st. The best taken 3rd. The 2nd best OLB taken over the 1st, etc.

I don't have insider, but I saw his top 10 on my buddies computer

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...rst-mock-draft
I hope there isn't going to be a whole lot of this. I like J.Football...... hate to have to start tearing holes into the idea of selecting him #1 overall.

& for Kiper to say the things he said about him, without actually ever sitting down & talking to this kid, or Sumlin... pssh.
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1Johnny Manziel *Houston Texans (2-14)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-0WT: 205POS: QB

Analysis: I spoke to a number of high-ranking NFL evaluators this week, and this is the one QB anyone felt certain was a top-5 pick. So consider this an early bet, with one major caveat: Bill O'Brien just arrived, is still putting his staff together, knows a good QB when he sees one, and hasn't had enough time (if any) to study the draft class. But we know quarterback is a major need here. O'Brien likes a QB with presence, a leader and a guy who will out-prepare the competition. And while Manziel has gotten his share of bad press, he's a dynamic talent, and I feel he can lead at the next level; I'm not alone in that opinion. While Manziel is currently ranked No. 11 on my Big Board, this reflects the draft.

Manziel doesn't fit the old prototypes of a QB drafted No. 1, and I have concerns about how well he can protect himself given his smaller frame, but he is a magician on the field, and is made for the current NFL. This league protects and welcomes QBs who can improvise, run and make plays beyond the playbook. It's early, but Manziel is a special player and has the draft process to prove it further.
& there's no way he's "basically" the same size as Brees.

Another thing... has the #1 & 2 player ever came from the same school?
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2Jake MatthewsSt. Louis Rams (7-9) (From WAS)
COLLEGE: Texas A&MAGE: 21HT: 6-5WT: 309POS: OT

Analysis: Rams general manager Les Snead has already said that he'll take calls on this draft slot, which makes plenty of sense given the fact that the three teams drafting directly after St. Louis need a quarterback. So if you want a certain QB, you might be trying to work out a deal with the Rams to assure you get him. That said, I can't project a trade, and Matthews would be a tremendous fit for the Rams, who need to bring in an upgrade at left tackle this offseason given the uncertainty regarding Jake Long's health. Matthews has proved capable of dominating on both the left and right side, in fact, and comes with more assurances in that regard than the tackles drafted at the top of the board last season. At tackle, I also think Greg Robinson could compete with Matthews to be the first one taken, and I don't think it's out of the question that St. Louis takes a QB or top defensive lineman.
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I hope there isn't going to be a whole lot of this. I like J.Football...... hate to have to start tearing holes into the idea of selecting him #1 overall.

& for Kiper to say the things he said about him, without actually ever sitting down & talking to this kid, or Sumlin... pssh.
& there's no way he's "basically" the same size as Brees.

Another thing... has the #1 & 2 player ever came from the same school?
Tear into it. When Johnny Football takes us to the Super Bowl, you'll be standing in line with all the other haters just waiting on a chance to sniff his jock.

How big (or small) do you think he really is?

It's been said JFF has a great football mind. He never has to be told anything twice. I'm sure this topic will be covered soon.
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The huddlereport on mock draft accuracy... over the last handful of years

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
Once LZ gets 5 years in, he'll be near the top.

I still want an accuracy report that equates actual post-draft talent to where the players were projected / drafted.

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& there's no way he's "basically" the same size as Brees.
+/- 1 inch
+/- 5 lbs
sounds pretty damn close to me
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Another thing... has the #1 & 2 player ever came from the same school?
Not sure. But I always thought it was interesting that in 2010, 3 of the first 4 picks were Sooners.
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