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Old 04-04-2014   #181
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It isn't unreasonable to ask for any reason or evidence for why you think he has changed. Sounds like the answer is you hope he has.
Used to be you were able to ask why someone held a certain opinion. I know it's the offseason but damn. It's changed a lot around here recently. Now you have to provide evidence of why you would ask the question...
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Used to be you were able to ask why someone held a certain opinion. I know it's the offseason but damn. It's changed a lot around here recently. Now you have to provide evidence of why you would ask the question...
You would almost think a lawyer ran things around here ...
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You would almost think a lawyer ran things around here ...

Strange tho it is to say it, it's a lawyer that keeps this place from disintegrating into total chaos
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Strange tho it is to say it, it's a lawyer that keeps this place from disintegrating into total chaos
Ever been in a Harris County courtroom? Lots of lawyers, a judge, couple of cops, and still total chaos ...

Maybe we are just well behaved.
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1Jadeveon Clowney *AGE: 21DOB: 2/14/93HT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE

2Greg Robinson **AGE: 21DOB: 10/21/92HT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

3Khalil MackAGE: 23DOB: 2/22/91HT: 6-3WT: 251POS: OLB

4Sammy Watkins *AGE: 20DOB: 6/14/93HT: 6-1WT: 211POS: WR

5Jake MatthewsAGE: 22DOB: 2/11/92HT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

6Taylor LewanAGE: 22DOB: 7/21/91HT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

7Mike Evans **AGE: 20DOB: 8/21/93HT: 6-5WT: 231POS: WR

8Eric Ebron *AGE: 21DOB: 4/10/93HT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

9C.J. MosleyAGE: 21DOB: 6/19/92HT: 6-2WT: 234POS: LB

10Teddy Bridgewater *AGE: 21DOB: 11/10/92HT: 6-2WT: 214POS: QB

11Blake Bortles *AGE: 22DOB: 12/16/91HT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB

12Johnny Manziel **AGE: 21DOB: 12/6/92HT: 6-0WT: 207POS: QB

13Zack MartinAGE: 23DOB: 11/20/90HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

14Aaron DonaldAGE: 22DOB: 5/23/91HT: 6-1WT: 285POS: DT

15Anthony BarrAGE: 22DOB: 3/18/92HT: 6-5WT: 255POS: DE

16Brandin Cooks *AGE: 20DOB: 9/25/93HT: 5-10WT: 189POS: WR

17Odell Beckham Jr. *AGE: 21DOB: 11/5/92HT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

18Justin GilbertAGE: 22DOB: 11/7/91HT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

19Darqueze DennardAGE: 22DOB: 10/10/91HT: 5-11WT: 199POS: CB

20Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *AGE: 21DOB: 12/21/92HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

21Ryan Shazier *AGE: 21DOB: 9/6/92HT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

22Calvin Pryor *AGE: 21DOB: 7/2/92HT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

23Marqise Lee *AGE: 22DOB: 11/25/91HT: 6-0WT: 192POS: WR

24Chris Borland AGE: 23DOB: 4/2/91HT: 5-11WT: 248POS: ILB

25Kyle Van NoyAGE: 23DOB: 3/26/91HT: 6-3WT: 245POS: OLB
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Quarterbacks

1. *Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
2. *Blake Bortles, Central Florida
3. **Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
4. Derek Carr, Fresno St.
5. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
6. AJ McCarron, Alabama
7. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech
8. Zach Mettenberger, LSU
9. Aaron Murray, Georgia
10. Tom Savage, Pittsburgh

Running backs

1. Carlos Hyde, Ohio St.
2. *Bishop Sankey, Washington
3. *Tre Mason, Auburn
4. **Jeremy Hill, LSU
5. Dri Archer, Kent St.
6. Charles Sims, West Virginia
7. Andre Williams, Boston College
8. *De'Anthony Thomas, Oregon
9. *Lache Seastrunk, Baylor
10. Jerick McKinnon, Georgia Southern

Wide receivers

1. *Sammy Watkins, Clemson
2. **Mike Evans, Texas A&M
3. *Brandin Cooks, Oregon St.
4. *Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU
5. *Marqise Lee, USC
6. **Kelvin Benjamin, Florida St.
7. **Davante Adams, Fresno St.
8. *Cody Latimer, Indiana
9. *Bruce Ellington, South Carolina
10. *Jarvis Landry, LSU

Tight ends

1. *Eric Ebron, North Carolina
2. *Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
3. *Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
4. *Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa
6. *A.C. Leonard, Tennessee St.
7. Marcel Jensen, Fresno St.
8. *Colt Lyerla, Oregon
9. *Jake Murphy, Utah
10. Joe Don Duncan, Dixie St.

Offensive tackles

1. *Greg Robinson, Auburn
2. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
3. Taylor Lewan, Michigan
4. Zack Martin, Notre Dame
5. *Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama
6. Ja'Wuan James, Tennessee
7. Morgan Moses, Virginia
8. Jack Mewhort, Ohio St.
9. Billy Turner, North Dakota St.
10. *Antonio Richardson, Tennessee

Offensive guards

1. Gabe Jackson, Mississippi St.
2. *David Yankey, Stanford
3. *Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
4. Joel Bitonio, Nevada
5. Brandon Thomas, Clemson
6. **Trai Turner, LSU
7. Kadeem Edwards, Tennessee St.
8. Cyril Richardson, Baylor
9. Ryan Groy, Wisconsin
10. Dakota Dozier, Furman

Centers

1. *Marcus Martin, USC
2. Weston Richburg, Colorado St.
3. *Russell Bodine, North Carolina
4. Travis Swanson, Arkansas
5. Jonotthan Harrison, Florida
6. Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma
7. James Stone, Tennessee
8. Bryan Stork, Florida St.
9. Corey Linsley, Ohio St.
10. Tyler Larsen, Utah St.

Defensive ends

1. *Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
2. *Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame
3. *Demarcus Lawrence, Boise St.
4. Marcus Smith, Louisville
5. *Kony Ealy, Missouri
6. Kareem Martin, North Carolina
7. *Scott Crichton, Oregon St.
8. Chris Smith, Arkansas
9. Larry Webster, Bloomsburg
10. Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas

Defensive tackles

1. Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
2. *Timmy Jernigan, Pittsburgh
3. Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
4. *Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
5. Brent Urban, Virginia
6. *Dominique Easley, Florida
7. DaQuan Jones, Penn St.
8. Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech
9. Caraun Reid, Princeton
10. Jay Bromley, Syracuse

Inside linebackers

1. C.J. Mosley, Alabama
2. Chris Borland, Wisconsin
3. Shayne Skov, Stanford
4. Preston Brown, Louisville
5. Max Bullough, Michigan St.
6. Avery Williamson, Kentucky
7. *Khairi Fortt, California
8. *Yawin Smallwood, Connecticut
9. DeDe Lattimore, South Florida
10. Glenn Carson, Penn St.

Outside linebackers

1. Khalil Mack, Buffalo
2. Anthony Barr, UCLA
3. *Ryan Shazier, Ohio St.
4. Kyle Van Noy, BYU
5. Dee Ford, Auburn
6. Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech
7. Trent Murphy, Stanford
8. Telvin Smith, Florida St.
9. Jordan Tripp, Montana
10. Howard Jones, Shepherd

Cornerbacks

1. Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma St.
2. Darqueze Dennard, Michigan St.
3. Jason Verrett, TCU
4. *Bradley Roby, Ohio St.
5. Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
6. Lamarcus Joyner, Florida St.
7. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Nebraska
8. Keith McGill, Utah
9. Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma
10. Pierre Desir, Lindenwood

Safeties

1. *Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
2. *Calvin Pryor, Louisville
3. Jimmie Ward, No. Illinois
4. Terrence Brooks, Florida St.
5. Deone Bucannon, Washington St.
6. Ahmad Dixon, Baylor
7. Maurice Alexander, Utah St.
8. *Ed Reynolds, Stanford
9. Antone Exum, Virginia Tech
10. Daniel Sorensen, BYU
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Clowney and Bridgewater would be a pretty nice opening two rounds. I'm not as high on TB as a lot of people here but at pick 33 would be a great pickup. I would imagine if any of the big three are available at 20 we will be looking to move up.
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When you ask a general manager about a decision to take a player, you'll typically hear them respond by saying they "took the best player available" at that draft slot. This would make the concept of "draft needs" seem like a secondary concern. But as teams build their draft boards, they do so with clear personnel needs in mind. So yes, they often do get the best player available based on how they lined up their board, but every board is unique not just based on evaluations of players, but based on self-evaluation of the current roster.

An example: When Dallas took center Travis Frederick late in Round 1 in 2013, he may have been the best player available according to their board, but their board obviously reflected a need at center -- thus Frederick was almost certainly rated higher by the Cowboys than many other teams. Maximizing your roster talent is the top priority, but that will always be balanced against how useful a player is, and usefulness reflects needs.

Here are what I consider the top 2014 draft needs for every team. Some have more than others, but:

I've capped it at four per team, with a few that go to five.
The order of teams is based on the draft order.

Let's take a look:

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Quarterback: The need here certainly doesn't dictate they take a QB at No. 1 overall, but a depth chart of Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick and T.J. Yates is probably the worst in the NFL in terms of ceiling. The sample size on Keenum is still relatively small, but his mostly mixed results as the starter fell in lockstep with the projection of a backup.

Right tackle: Left tackle is in good shape with Duane Brown, but Derek Newton isn't a solution at right tackle, where his pass blocking is below average.

Outside linebacker: Brooks Reed and Whitney Mercilus both simply weren't very good in 2013. It goes without saying that if Jadeveon Clowney is drafted and asked to stand up as an edge rusher, he'd be the best one on this team.

Defensive end: J.J. Watt is the best defensive player in the world, but the talent drop-off after him is significant, and were Watt to miss any time, it would totally change the look of this defense.
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1. *Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina: Question his raw productivity stats, but the tape tells another story. Not a lock at No. 1, but I think he belongs there.

2. *Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson: The more I watch him, the more I see a special difference-maker on Sundays.

3. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo: Still wouldn't shock me if he went No. 1. His athleticism and versatility limits questions about his competition level.

4. **Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn: The top tackle prospect in a class that isn't short on them. If he continues to improve, he could be really special.

5. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan: Long and athletic, he's also a very good run-blocker. Would he have gone No. 1 last year? It's possible.

6. **Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M: As dominating in the air and at the (high) catch point as any receiver we've seen in recent years.

7. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M: Over the past two seasons, he has mostly dominated at both left and right tackle. That's a high floor.

8. *Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina: Value is up in my opinion because this type of talent is so coveted, and he's clearly the best version in the draft.

9. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama: Special in coverage with great instincts and range. Could dip a bit due to his injury history.

10. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame: Lacks ideal length at left tackle, but his athleticism makes up for it.

11. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh: Donald's ability to disrupt from the interior with quickness, power and violent hands is unmatched in this draft.

12. *Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State: Athletically, he's a mirror of Tavon Austin from last season, and he's a little bigger. Super productive.

13. *Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU: Explosive runner with short-area quickness and an ability to create space, but also make plays in traffic.

14. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State: Superior athlete with good size. He can allow too much separation at times, but he's fast enough that it rarely matters.

15. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State: The most versatile cornerback in the draft, Dennard brings a physical edge, too.

16. *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville: Just ahead of the other top quarterbacks because of his ability to anticipate and deliver with accuracy. Durability concerns are there, though.

17. *Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida: I certainly buy into his ceiling as a superior athlete with great pocket instincts, but will the ball accuracy improve?

18. **Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M: Electrifying playmaker who loves the game and competes. His game translates, but he'll need to protect himself better.

19. *Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama: A fluid mover with very good range, he can cover a lot of ground and should be the top safety taken.

20. *Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State: One of my favorite players in the draft, Shazier has superior instincts and is a perfect fit as a 4-3 WLB.

21. *Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville: A playmaker from the safety position, Pryor can cover, but also come downhill with force and make the big hit.

22. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA: Has dropped some because the instincts don't match the production, but hey, it's a lot of production.

23. *Marqise Lee, WR, USC: Hampered by a sore knee and inconsistency in catching the ball in 2013, but Lee is still a first-round talent.

24. Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU: Jumped up my board after I spent more time watching him on tape. Just looks like he's playing faster than everyone else.

25. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin: He doesn't pass the eye test for some, but put a helmet on him and you see an immediate NFL starter.

26. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State: A quick release and the ability to hit his targets quickly and accurately underneath and on intermediate throws stand out.

27. **Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State: Still more of a physical talent than a refined football player, but Benjamin is a wide receiver in a tight end's body and can cause matchup problems.
28. *Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame: Inconsistency was an issue in 2013, but so was a nagging injury that slowed him down. When healthy, he can thrive.

29. *Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana: I'm with the rest of the market on Latimer, as I didn't have him high enough based on what he showed in 2013.

30. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State: I don't think this reflects his draft position, but early in Round 2 wouldn't offend me for the best running back in the draft.

31. **Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State: A bigger frame than some realize, Adams does a good job of snatching the ball away from his body, and he wins battles for the ball.

32. *Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama: Has the potential to be great if he can be consistent, and consistently healthy.

33. *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State: I love Jernigan after he gets started, but he can be oddly slow off the snap. Very good and still developing.

34. Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State: Effective as both a run- and pass-blocker, and 52 starts offers plenty of certainty about what you're getting.

35. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota: He can dominate and then disappear, but he's a high-end athlete at this size and can get better as a convert to defense.

36. *David Yankey, G, Stanford: Not a dominating guard, but a very effective one who moves well for his size and can pull effectively. Fit matters.

37. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU: An explosive mover who doesn't let a lack of length keep him from being consistently effective.

38. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia: Has great length for the position and creates a long road around him, but only intermittently dominant.

39. *Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State: Explosive and feisty, Roby is a better athlete than he is a technician, but the potential is enticing.

40. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech: Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes in Round 1. A bigger player at a position seemingly every team needs.

41. *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame: He's close to unique in this draft given his frame. Just hope he can put it all together consistently.

42. * Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA: Have seem him unfairly maligned as sluggish; he moves well and creates movement.

43. *Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri: Gains some value here because of positional scarcity, Ealy has the frame to play 4-3 defensive end.

44. *Marcus Martin, C, USC: Have projected him as high as late Round 1, but likelier a Round 2 fit as the draft's top center on the board.

45. Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn: Explosive off the edge, Ford can turn the corner on some pretty good tackles. A first-round possibility.

46. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois: I'd be shocked if he's around past Round 2. Not a certain starter, but he could develop into one.

47. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt: More explosive than many believed, Matthews is a reliable hands-catcher who can hit another gear after the catch.

48. *Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington: A shifty runner who uses good vision to find small seams and keep his weight headed downhill. Good hands.

49. *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State: One of the better pure pass-rushers in the class, but he's a "tweener" in terms of system fit.

50. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois: I'm not sure there's a better cover safety in the draft in terms of instincts and breaking quickly on the ball path.

51. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama: Really accurate underneath with success in throwing the deep ball even if the big arm isn't there. Underrated mover outside the pocket, too.

52. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee: His teammate got a lot of the press this season, but James was more consistent and was rarely beaten at right tackle.

53. Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech: He can really close when he gets a path to the passer. I see him as a second-round pick.

54. Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida State: A versatile defender, Joyner can handle the slot or drop to safety. What he lacks in size he makes up for with instincts.

55. *Tre Mason, RB, Auburn: Runs low and bounces off contact, and has a good eye for the seam. Isn't afraid to protect his quarterback.

56. *Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina: Ellington isn't big at 5-foot-9, but he eats up space with his speed and will work through contact.

57. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State: Could be the top center taken, as there's a split on him and Martin. Richburg also could be an effective guard. Moves very well.

58. Trent Murphy, OLB, Stanford: Has the full repertoire as a pass-rusher; the question is ceiling for this experienced edge rusher.

59. Dri Archer, RB, Kent State: The fastest player in the draft, the pint-sized Archer will get Darren Sproles comps, as he'll be used all over.

60. *Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU: He doesn't bring the speed element, but Landry has fantastic hands, makes contested catches and will throw a mean block.

61. *Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee: Still more of a physical specimen than a refined talent, Richardson can be sloppy, but he could be a steal if he cleans it up.

62. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh: The one-time Rutgers starter had his ups and downs behind some bad blocking in 2013, but he has a strong arm and starting upside.

63. *Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington: Huge at 6-5 and 260-plus pounds, he can make catches down the field but isn't explosive enough to separate consistently.

64. Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State: Could be a steal because he's a better player than he is an athlete at a position where measurables matter.

65. *Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson: Hidden somewhat behind the dominance of Sammy Watkins, Bryant has great length and has shined in workouts.

66. *Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame: Has the size to be an effective blocker, not merely a tight end who splits out and doesn't block much, but he needs work as a pass-catcher.

67. Joel Bitonio, G, Nevada: Moves up on versatility, as he can play pretty much anywhere you need, and has a mean streak as a run-blocker.

68. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State: Has good instincts and will absolutely light up a ball carrier (legally). Not great in coverage, but doesn't get beat a lot.

69. **Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU

70. Keith McGill, CB, Utah: Could see a draft-day boost based on big size for a corner (6-3), but he needs work on the technique side.

71. Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia: A versatile performer, Sims may have the best hands in the draft coming out of the backfield. I'd put him in Round 3.

72. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska: The one-time receiver has elite length at 6-3 but could use work in his ability to mirror and move with receivers.

73. *Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers: Height/weight/speed alert: Coleman is a full 6-6 and 225-plus pounds and can still run away from people.

74. *Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech: A good athlete for the position, he's best used split out because there's no real experience as a blocker. Good length at 6-5.

75. Josh Huff, WR, Oregon: Not as explosive as some others in this draft, but Huff fights through contact and will make contested catches.

76. *Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi: He had an inconsistent year, but Moncrief is a major physical talent with 4.40 speed at 220-plus pounds.

77. Billy Turner, OT, North Dakota State: Was dominant on his level, but will need technical work. Still, he's a potential steal on Day 3.

78. Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida State: His tape should have him higher, but Smith played linebacker at less than 220 pounds. Not quite a Lavonte David, but it's a fair size comp.

79. Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson: A knee injury during workouts could keep him from contributing in 2014. Could be a great guard, though he has good tape at tackle.

80. Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State: Reads the game well and has both good instincts and a quick route to the ball; he just needs to wrap up more consistently.

81. *De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon

82. Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming: Lost a bit in a deep wide receiver class, Herron has a second gear with the ball in his hands, but he lacks size.

83. *Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State: Not explosive, but capable of going up and making the tough catch through defenders.

84. Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville: A nice third-down pass-rush option, Smith creates disruption with his quickness off the edge. Had 14.5 sacks last season.

85. Lamin Barrow, OLB, LSU: Isn't a big linebacker, but he moves well through traffic and has a good sense of spacing when he's in zone.

86. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma: He tore his ACL at the Senior Bowl but is already moving well and could be playing for someone late in 2014.

87. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech: Has the physical traits of an elite tight end prospect, but despite a couple of so-so years at quarterback, he's worth a look there.

88. Kevin Norwood, WR, Alabama: Could be a sleeper. Has good length and above-average speed.

89. Brent Urban, DL, Virginia: Has great length at 6-5 with 34-inch arms; he can jolt defenders and both penetrate and disrupt passing lanes.

90. Jordan Tripp, OLB, Montana: Explodes to the ball when he sees the route to the ball as the play develops in front of him. Lacks ideal size.

91. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood: A small-college sleeper now quite well-known to most, Desir has good length in a time when that's coveted at cornerback.

92. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College: Highly productive and offers good size at 230-plus pounds, but doesn't do much to make people miss.

93. *Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado: A playmaker who can eat up space with his acceleration, he's just lacking in bulk and could struggle with the NFL's brand of corner.

94. *Russell Bodine, C, North Carolina: Isn't a great mover, but he has exceptional strength to turn defenders and then get to the linebackers.

95. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State: A wide body who can hold up at the point and does a good job of flowing to the ball.

96. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: Accuracy and intangibles are there, even if arm strength and ceiling questions exist. Wouldn't surprise me if he finds a way to a starting job at some point.

97. *Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor: An explosive athlete, he can spend too much time looking for the big play, and needs to play more north and south.

98. *Dominique Easley, DT, Florida: Has the tape of a high first-round pick, but the injury history is too significant not to push him well down the board. He'll be tempting in Round 2 if you believe he can stay on the field. Special potential.

99. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU: Doesn't move well, but has maybe he best arm strength in the draft, and could succeed in a good system (with good blocking).

100. Terrance Mitchell, CB, Oregon: Has good quickness and a playmaker's instincts; dropped a little due to average top-end speed. Now a potential steal.
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I just don't understand Kiper touting Clowney as a once in 20 year talent, yet mocked us to take Manziel and then Mack until recently. What changed? Had he not watched tape on the consensus number 1 pick for 2 years now?
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I just don't understand Kiper touting Clowney as a once in 20 year talent, yet mocked us to take Manziel and then Mack until recently. What changed? Had he not watched tape on the consensus number 1 pick for 2 years now?
I seem to remember all the media touting someone as the best running back ever to come out of college. As he ended up just average.
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I seem to remember all the media touting someone as the best running back ever to come out of college. As he ended up just average.
Gosh.

I'd really like someone who was a cross between Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders right about now.

Haven't seen that guy, though. Wonder where he could possibly be.

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I just don't understand Kiper touting Clowney as a once in 20 year talent, yet mocked us to take Manziel and then Mack until recently. What changed?
Media guy who pretends to be a scout, but is not. 1) Kiper talks to some people around the league, and 2) more importantly (to Kiper) if he changes guys at the top he gets more paid interviews/time in the spotlight. Johnny McClain does the same.

Will be interesting to see who moves/mock Manziel back into the first pick during this pre-draft dead time. Manziel at #1 in your media mock close to the draft = $$$ & fame.
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16. *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville: Just ahead of the other top quarterbacks because of his ability to anticipate and deliver with accuracy. Durability concerns are there, though.

17. *Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida: I certainly buy into his ceiling as a superior athlete with great pocket instincts, but will the ball accuracy improve?

18. **Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M: Electrifying playmaker who loves the game and competes. His game translates, but he'll need to protect himself better.
Standard Kiper. I could give a ***t what order these are in, but it's a really unlikely statistical possibility that the first three QBs are all in a row. That's just a head of hair speaking.
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Standard Kiper. I could give a ***t what order these are in, but it's a really unlikely statistical possibility that the first thee QBs are all in a row. That's just a head of hair speaking.
If thats his big board then it means he grades them equally which is in itself remarkable to say the least. The evaluation process has clearly passed him by
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1Jadeveon Clowney *AGE: 21DOB: 2/14/93HT: 6-5WT: 266POS: DE

2Sammy Watkins *AGE: 20DOB: 6/14/93HT: 6-1WT: 211POS: WR

3Khalil MackAGE: 23DOB: 2/22/91HT: 6-3WT: 251POS: OLB

4Greg Robinson **AGE: 21DOB: 10/21/92HT: 6-5WT: 332POS: OT

5Taylor LewanAGE: 22DOB: 7/21/91HT: 6-7WT: 309POS: OT

6Jake MatthewsAGE: 22DOB: 2/11/92HT: 6-5WT: 308POS: OT

7Mike Evans **AGE: 20DOB: 8/21/93HT: 6-5WT: 231POS: WR

8Zack MartinAGE: 23DOB: 11/20/90HT: 6-4WT: 308POS: OT

9Aaron DonaldAGE: 22DOB: 5/23/91HT: 6-1WT: 285POS: DT

10Johnny Manziel **AGE: 21DOB: 12/6/92HT: 6-0WT: 207POS: QB

11Blake Bortles *AGE: 22DOB: 12/16/91HT: 6-5WT: 232POS: QB

12Odell Beckham Jr. *AGE: 21DOB: 11/5/92HT: 5-11WT: 198POS: WR

13C.J. MosleyAGE: 21DOB: 6/19/92HT: 6-2WT: 234POS: LB

14Brandin Cooks *AGE: 20DOB: 9/25/93HT: 5-10WT: 189POS: WR

15Eric Ebron *AGE: 21DOB: 4/10/93HT: 6-4WT: 250POS: TE

16Darqueze DennardAGE: 22DOB: 10/10/91HT: 5-11WT: 199POS: CB

17Kyle FullerAGE: 22DOB: 2/16/92HT: 6-0WT: 190POS: DB

18Calvin Pryor *AGE: 21DOB: 7/2/92HT: 5-11WT: 207POS: S

19Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *AGE: 21DOB: 12/21/92HT: 6-1WT: 208POS: S

20Justin GilbertAGE: 22DOB: 11/7/91HT: 6-0WT: 202POS: CB

21Derek CarrAGE: 23DOB: 3/28/91HT: 6-2WT: 214POS: QB

22Marqise Lee *AGE: 22DOB: 11/25/91HT: 6-0WT: 192POS: WR

23Carlos Hyde *AGE: 22DOB: 9/20/91HT: 6-0WT: 230POS: RB

24Ryan Shazier *AGE: 21DOB: 9/6/92HT: 6-1WT: 237POS: OLB

25Stephon Tuitt *AGE: 20DOB: 5/23/93HT: 6-5WT: 304POS: DE

26. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU: An explosive mover who doesn't let a lack of length keep him from being consistently effective.

27. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA: If his awareness can catch up to the production, he could be a very good value. Great athlete off the edge.

28. Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU: Versatile, instinctive and he plays fast. Very good in pursuit.

29. *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville: Anticipates well and delivers with accuracy, but his ball loses steam and his frame isn't ideal. If it's about the tape alone, he could be the steal of the draft.

30. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt: More explosive than many believed, Matthews is a reliable hands-catcher who can hit another gear after the catch.

31. *Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina: Maybe the biggest riser on my board over the past month when I got to watch more. Explosive, competitive and reliable.

32. Joel Bitonio, OT/G, Nevada: Has moved up on versatility -- he can play pretty much anywhere you need, and dominates as a run-blocker.

33. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois: I'm not sure there's a better cover safety in the draft in terms of instincts and breaking quickly on the ball (or ball carrier).

34. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia: Has great length for the position and creates a long road around him, but only intermittently dominant.

35. *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State: One of the better pure pass-rushers in the class, but he's a tweener in terms of system fit.

36. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee: Coming into the season he was't the top OT prospect on his own team, but James was consistent and rarely beaten.

37. Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn: Explosive off the edge, Ford can turn the corner on some pretty good tackles. A first-round possibility.

38. **Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State: With a bigger frame than some realize, Adams does a good job of snatching the ball away from his body, and makes contested catches.

39. Chris Borland, LB, Wisconsin: Has great vision and is explosive to the hole and into the backfield, where he's a sure tackler.

40. *Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State: Has good size at 6-2, 220 pounds, and is a good route runner who can win at the catch point.

41. *Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri: A very good athlete at his size, Ealy can win one-on-one and has the frame to play 4-3 defensive end.

42. *Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State: Explosive and feisty, Roby is a better athlete than he is a technician, but the potential is enticing. Needs to stay disciplined.

43. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota: He can dominate and then disappear, but he's a high-end athlete at this size and can get better with coaching.

44. *Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU: He doesn't bring the elite speed element, but Landry has fantastic hands, makes contested catches and will throw a mean block.

45. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State: Has good instincts and is maybe the best hitter in the draft. Not great in coverage, but doesn't get beat often.

46. Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech: He can really close when he gets a path to the passer. I see him as a second-round pick.

47. *Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana: Latimer has risen for me, but I wonder if he'll separate well enough and I'd put him in the second round if I'm drafting.

48. *Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington: Huge at 6-5 and 260-plus pounds, he can make catches down the field though he's not running past people.

49. *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame: Has the ideal frame for a zero technique, but it's a position that isn't as coveted as it once was. Will he stay focused?

50. *Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA: He moves well and creates movement in the run game. Have seem him unfairly maligned as sluggish.

51. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State: Could be the top center taken, as there's a split on him and Martin. Richburg also could be an effective guard.

52. *Marcus Martin, C, USC: Have projected him as high as late Round 1, but likelier a Round 2. Will he or Richburg go first? Depends on the team.

53. Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida State: A versatile defender, Joyner can handle the slot or drop to safety. What he lacks in size he makes up for with instincts.

54. **Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State: A huge player at wide receiver, he can win the physical matchup but lacks top-end speed and needs refinement.

55. *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State: Has fallen during the draft process. There's lots of potential, but he can be oddly slow off the snap.

56. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood: A small-college sleeper now quite well-known to most, Desir has good length in a time when that's coveted at cornerback.

57. Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State: Effective as both a run- and pass-blocker, and 52 starts offers plenty of certainty about what you're getting.

58. *Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama: Has the potential to be great if he can be consistent, and consistently healthy. Still only 20 years old.

59. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska: The onetime receiver has elite length at 6-3 but could use work in his ability to mirror and in tackling.

60. **Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU: At 230-plus pounds, he can get up to speed quickly, bounce off contact and even has a decent spin move.

61. *David Yankey, G, Stanford: Not a dominating guard in a phone booth but an effective one who moves well for his size and can pull effectively. Fit matters.

62. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State: A wide body who can hold up at the point and does a good job of flowing to the ball.

63. *Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington: A shifty runner who uses good vision to find small seams and keep his weight headed downhill. Good hands. Durable.

64. *Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson: Hidden somewhat behind the dominance of Watkins, Bryant has length and shined in workouts. A possible sleeper.

65. *Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech: A good athlete for the position, he's best used split out because there's no real experience as a blocker. Good length at 6-5.

66. Jack Mewhort, OT, Ohio State: A better player than he is an athlete at a position where measurables matter. Could become a very good value.

67. **Trai Turner, G, LSU: Will be a young NFL rookie, but already shows impressive ability to move defenders in the run game.

68. *Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame: Has the size to be an effective blocker, not merely a tight end who splits out, but must improve as a pass-catcher.

69. Terrence Brooks, S, Florida State: Reads the game well and has both good instincts and a quick route to the ball; he just needs to wrap up.

70. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh: Intriguing because of his strong arm and solid frame, he dealt with bad blocking in 2013. Starting upside.

71. Dri Archer, RB, Kent State: The fastest player in the draft, the pint-sized Archer will get Darren Sproles comps, but is actually faster than Sproles.

72. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama: Really accurate underneath with success in throwing the deep ball though he lacks a big arm. Lots of split opinions here.

73. Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia: A versatile performer, Sims may have the best hands in the draft coming out of the backfield. I'd put him in Round 3-4.

74. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois: Sees the whole field and has a quick release, but lacks a big arm and faces a huge competition leap. Needs time.

75. *Tre Mason, RB, Auburn: Runs low, bounces off contact and has a good eye for the seam. Isn't afraid to protect his quarterback.

76. *Paul Richardson, WR, Colorado: A playmaker who can eat up space with his acceleration, he just lacks bulk and could struggle against the press.

77. Josh Huff, WR, Oregon: Not as explosive as some others in this draft, but Huff fights through contact and will make contested catches.

78. Brent Urban, DL, Virginia: Has great length at 6-5 with 34-inch arms; can jolt defenders and both penetrate and disrupt passing lanes.

79. *De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon: Elite explosiveness when the pads are on; it's just a matter of how many touches a team can give him.

80. Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech: Has the size and speed of an elite tight end prospect, but despite a couple of so-so years at QB, he's worth a look there.

81. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College: Highly productive and offers good size at 230-plus pounds, but doesn't do much to make people miss.

82. *Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor: An explosive athlete, he can spend too much time going east and west, but he's not easy to pass on in terms of talent.

83. Kevin Norwood, WR, Alabama: Has good length and above-average speed, and does a great job of working back to the ball.

84. *Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson: Played a lot better than he worked out; hopefully you get the on-field version.

85. Marcus Smith, DE, Louisville: A nice third-down pass-rush option, Smith creates disruption with his quickness off the edge. Had 14.5 sacks last season.

86. *Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi: He had an inconsistent year, but he's a big-time physical talent with 4.40 speed at 220-plus pounds.

87. Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma: He tore his ACL at the Senior Bowl but is already moving well and could play in 2014. Experience at safety, too.

88. Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson: A knee injury during workouts could keep him from contributing in 2014. Could be a great guard or even stick at OT.

89. *Dominique Easley, DT, Florida: Has the tape of a high first-round pick, but the injury history is too significant not to push him well down the board. He'll be tempting in Round 2 if you believe he can stay on the field.

90. Walt Aikens, CB, Liberty: A fluid athlete with a solid build, he'll also step up in run support. A baffling non-invite to the combine.

91. Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida State: Undersized at LB even if you think size is overrated, Smith led the Noles in tackles last season anyway.

92. Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice: Put together one of the more impressive performance in Indy, regardless of position group.

93. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: Accuracy and intangibles are there, even if arm strength and ceiling questions exist. Likely a solid backup.

94. Chris Smith, DE, Arkansas: Has been highly productive over the last two seasons with 18.0 sacks.

95. Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming: Lost a bit in a deep wide receiver class, Herron is a straight-line speed dynamo after the catch.

96. Bryan Stork, C, Florida State: Has good size and length for an interior lineman, but anchors well and can get to the second level with good feet.

97. *Carl Bradford, OLB, Arizona State: High-effort player with good strength and instincts, just lacks length and can get eaten up by good blocking.

98. Trent Murphy, OLB, Stanford: Has the full repertoire as a pass-rusher; the question is ceiling for this experienced edge rusher.

99. C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa: Isn't a burner, but can really move well for a 6-5, 265-pound guy with good hands.

100. John Brown, WR, Pittsburg St. (KS): Lacks size, but not speed, as he's a 4.3-type runner. A deep threat with return capabilities.
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