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Old 12-06-2013   #61
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Our personnel aren't classic 3-4 personnel. I think we'll fit better with a 4-3 DC than with most 3-4 DCs.

Most standard 3-4 DCs are going to have to address the total lack of a 3-4 NT.
And the lack of 4 linebackers. Or even 3. Or 2 ....
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I think not wanting a guy because he's won a superbowl before is the silliest thing I've heard when looking for a new coach.

You look at them as individuals and what they are going to bring to your team. That's it.

All that bs about former suberbowl winning head coaches is a dumb stat. It's the same kind if thinking that leads to kubiak support and Matt Schaub devotion.
Absolutely! Just one of The stupidest takes out there.
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Well.

How many guys have won a SB as a coach and then come back and coached another team to win a SB?

If you want to hire the next George Seifert, go ahead.
Who cares.

How many OC's with the name Gary kubiak went on to win a Super Bowl as a head coach?

You had no problem supporting him.


If belichick, Payton, McCarthy, Tomlinson and harbaugh were fired today, you aren't considering any of them simply because they've won a superbowl before.

That's silly.

You evaluate them as individuals. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just a stat. People make break throughs all the time.

First person to do this, first person to do that... Whatever. You'd miss out on a lot of those "firsts" if no one gave those people a shot.

I just think it's asinine to rule someone out because of that. Evaluate their ability.
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What do you guys think about Josh McDaniels?

If we hire Lovie we are gonna need a damn good OC. It also means we're gonna switch to a 4-3 defense.
Put him in the same bag with Del Rio and toss them into the river.
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What do you guys think about Josh McDaniels?
There were some kinda odd things going on in Denver with McDaniels. I think he needs some growing up/perspective.
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OK. So. Rey, Mussop... who do you want?

Do you want Cowher? He's won a SB. It took him 14 years to do it and he coached for 15 years (6-10 his last season). People in Pittsburgh were calling for him to be fired even after he got his team to the AFC Championship game several times because of how many times he'd gotten there and lost. He had a reputation as a coach who couldn't win the big one.

Do you want Tony Dungy? He's won a SB. But he had a reputation as a coach who couldn't win the big one and even though he was a "defensive genius", he never could get that Indy defense up to snuff. He basically just rode Peyton's coat-tails to his SB.

Do you want Gruden? After taking Dungy's TB team to the SB and winning, he was a failure in TB. In the 6 years after that, he made the playoffs twice and lost in the Wild Card round both times.

Do you want Billick? He rode Marvin Lewis' great defense to a championship and never could draft or develop a QB. After his OC stint in Minnesota, he was supposed to be an offensive genius but his offense was mostly crap.

So which SB winning coach do you think is out there that's so much better than any of the other options?
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I just think it's asinine to rule someone out because of that. Evaluate their ability.
I think his point was that using Superbowl wins solely to rule out candidates was a bad idea.
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Mike Shanahan, head coach, Washington Redskins

"What?" you might ask. If he's let go in Washington or if he re-signs but he's asked to fire his son, Shanahan would have no problem with a quick transition in Houston. Shanahan and Kubiak run the same type of offense. Shanahan proved last year he could work with a rookie quarterback in taking Robert Griffin III to the playoffs. If the Texans are drafting a quarterback and Shanahan is available, it's an easy fit.

Ken Whisenhunt, offensive coordinator, San Diego Chargers

He'll be a strong candidate because he's won in Arizona and he's a great coach working with quarterbacks. His presence in San Diego has helped Philip Rivers bounce back after a couple of off seasons.

Tom Cable, assistant head coach Seattle Seahawks

Cable is a master of working with the offensive line, and his zone-blocking scheme would be a good fit in Houston. He has head coaching experience in Oakland.

Hue Jackson, assistant coach, Cincinnati Bengals

Like Cable, Jackson was the head coach in Oakland and does a good job working with an offense and young quarterbacks. If McNair is looking to rebuild the offense, Jackson is a consideration.
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Who cares.

How many OC's with the name Gary kubiak went on to win a Super Bowl as a head coach?

You had no problem supporting him.

If belichick, Payton, McCarthy, Tomlinson and harbaugh were fired today, you aren't considering any of them simply because they've won a superbowl before.

That's silly.

You evaluate them as individuals. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just a stat. People make break throughs all the time.

First person to do this, first person to do that... Whatever. You'd miss out on a lot of those "firsts" if no one gave those people a shot.

I just think it's asinine to rule someone out because of that. Evaluate their ability.
That's fine. Evaluate their ability. Show me the SB winning coach that's out there right now that you think is going to be the first one to break the SB winning coach jinx.

If Belichik gets fired, I hire him. If McCarthy gets fired, I don't. If Harbaugh gets fired, I don't.

Why?

Because that's my evaluation of how successful I think they're going to be in another situation.
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I think his point was that using Superbowl wins solely to rule out candidates was a bad idea.
No.... It wasn't. That's what I am saying.

He and others (mainly kubiak and Schaub supporters) have been saying for years how no former Super Bowl winning head coach has ever win one again with another team. Which is true but so what.
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I think the problem with hiring a guy without hc experience is the break in period. I mean kubiak got better as a coach,because in nfl its not just coach. Its the media obligations,the owner and bean counter meeting. Its not just the coaching aspect. I like Holmgren a lot more than others.
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I think Whisenhunt might be my #1 preference of guys that have been mentioned.
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Just say no to Wade Phillips. Please.

82W 59L regular season record.
1W 5L post season record.

That's like keeping teams from getting lots of yards but giving up tons of points. Sound familiar?
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Wouldn't Mike Shanahan just be an older version of Gary Kubiak? If we were going in that direction, I'd rather just have his son Kyle instead. At least bring in a younger guy with a brighter future. Our offense has seemingly gone down hill ever since we lost Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator.
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Jon Gruden, analyst, ESPN -- Just about everyone figures he’ll return at some point. Owners continue to check out his interest.

Lovie Smith, former head coach, Chicago -- The native Texan led the Bears to a Super Bowl and was fired after going 10-6 last season.

Darrell Bevell, offensive coordinator, Seattle -- Before running the Seahawks’ offense and coaching Russell Wilson, he was the coordinator at Minnesota and Green Bay.

David Shaw, head coach, Stanford -- The former NFL assistant is so hot right now he can almost have his pick of jobs if he wants to move.

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No.... It wasn't. That's what I am saying.

He and others (mainly kubiak and Schaub supporters) have been saying for years how no former Super Bowl winning head coach has ever win one again with another team. Which is true but so what.
And what I've said several times when I've brought this stat up is... do you think THIS SB winning coach is going to be the one to break the jinx?

People like you want Cowher or Gruden JUST because they've won a SB. Because... OH! They have to be GREAT coaches if they've won a SB.

And that's NOT the case. If that was the case, then SB winning coaches would be successful with other teams. They're not.

So you don't put those guys at the top of the list just because they've won a SB. You have to judge them on their merit. Gruden, Cowher, Billick, and Dungy haven't done anything in their coaching careers to make me believe that they can rekindle the magic that they were able to get in their one special season.
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I've been touting Bill O'Brien all year long. He was the coordinator in NE after McDaniels left and has done a fantastic job at Penn State, considering the situation that program is in.

I think he can definitely develop a QB. He has that true freshman QB at Penn State looking like a future All-American.
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Yes, I posted Josh McDaniels! I think he will learn from his mistakes in Denver just like his mentor did in Cleveland. Minimize his absolute power like he had in Denver and he can be pretty good.

McNair loves him some "Patriot Way" so I see this as a huge possibility.
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I think the problem with hiring a guy without hc experience is the break in period. I mean kubiak got better as a coach,because in nfl its not just coach. Its the media obligations,the owner and bean counter meeting. Its not just the coaching aspect. I like Holmgren a lot more than others.
I'm intrigued by Holmgren but is there any evidence to suggest he is itching or even willing to come back as a coach?
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