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Old 12-17-2013   #601
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"Rebuilding" is tearing it down and starting over and over and over again. You don't want to get into a cycle of tearing down and rebuilding over and over. That's what happens with the Browns, the Bills, the Lions (until the last two or three years), and other franchises that have losing cultures.

"Retooling" is different and it's something that good franchises have to do all the time, especially if they have a down year like we are this year. "Retooling" entails keeping what works and bolstering the rest. For us, we need a new coach and given that we've lost so many games by 7 points or less, it's mostly a coaching problem. Obviously, as I've said before, depth matters too.

Hit on a coach, bolster the depth, and we'll be ready to rock n' roll.
The problem is that when we bring in a new coach, he's almost definitely going to rebuild. He's going to bring in different philosophies and different requirements and that's going to mean different players.

To re-tool, you rarely bring in a new coach. The Cowboys did it with Switzer because he just came in and continued with what Johnson had built without changing anything. To re-tool with a new coach, you generally promote someone within the existing group of coaches that are with the team.

The Ravens have been able to keep a consistent culture because they've brought in coaches and promoted from within instead of going out and bringing new coaches in. The Steelers have done the same thing when they promoted Cowher from within but they also brought Tomlin in from the outside but they kept their existing group of coordinators.

We're going to get a brand new HC and he's going to bring in an entirely new compliment of coordinators and position coaches. And that means new philosophies and new players and that's a re-build.
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I guess we'll just have to see what happens. Maybe we don't promote someone from within but bring someone with similar on-field philosophies? I hope so, anyway. I think what we do generally works very well for us and that it was "the little things" that were causing us to lose games. Get someone who will shore that up while keeping the same basic ideas and I think that'll be best.
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I think folks are getting too wrapped around the whole re-building or re-tooling. This is not the NFL of past. With the correct staff/management you can turn things around rather quickly in comparison in to past years when you were looking at a multiple year process. Granted if our management is that efficient remains to be seen.

Free agency is the biggest reason. That changed the landscape of teams talking a few years to becoming competitive again. There is also the development of young players that come into the NFL. Many are seeming more ready for today's game than when you generally found yourself waiting at least 3 years to get production in previous times.

So yeah I'd sit and wait and see who comes in and what direction they take. There are several examples of teams who had poor seasons (some multiple bad years) that got things turned around the next year or at least became competitive.
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What I don't get is why Uncle Bob doesn't understand that rebuilds don't need to take 4-6 years. Maybe it's the word "rebuild" that makes him think it's a long-term project. Teams around us rebuild in 1-2 years and that's not paint and wheels, that's aggressively retooling the roster.

Texans can do it. They just need to get out of tortoise mode for once in their existence.
Like who? I've not seen a total "rebuild that didn't take 4-6 years to get to a sustainable, playoff level of football.

Before you point to the Colts, that wasn't a rebuild, that was a retool. They swapped out a QB and a couple of other pieces and went back to work.

Now the Niners' transformation was a complete rebuild that took the better part of the 21st century to accomplish.

You could argue that the Falcons accomplished a rebuild but they have only gotten to where we kinda thought we were; playoff-capable if the breaks don't go against us.
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The problem is that when we bring in a new coach, he's almost definitely going to rebuild. He's going to bring in different philosophies and different requirements and that's going to mean different players.

To re-tool, you rarely bring in a new coach. The Cowboys did it with Switzer because he just came in and continued with what Johnson had built without changing anything. To re-tool with a new coach, you generally promote someone within the existing group of coaches that are with the team.

The Ravens have been able to keep a consistent culture because they've brought in coaches and promoted from within instead of going out and bringing new coaches in. The Steelers have done the same thing when they promoted Cowher from within but they also brought Tomlin in from the outside but they kept their existing group of coordinators.

We're going to get a brand new HC and he's going to bring in an entirely new compliment of coordinators and position coaches. And that means new philosophies and new players and that's a re-build.

Nope, this philosophy is garbage and the quicker Texan fans realize it the better we will all be. It doesn't take years to rebuild in todays NFL. Ask the Eagles, Chiefs, Miami, Detroit and Arizona. All picked top 10 last year and are playing for playoff spots. Todays NFL is crazy and you can easily flip a roster and coaches and become competitive the next year. Im still convinced 2015 will be our super bowl year. Take next year to improve and the 2nd year with new coaches and players we make our run.
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I predict we go with Penn State Bill O'brien as head coach.
Trade down from the 1st pick and go with OLB Anthony Barr UCLA.
Trade a pick for Patriots QB Ryan Mallet. Obrien was the OC when they drafted him.
McNair will do his due diligence on the HC and it will lead to O'Brien with a big endorsement from Robert Kraft.
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I think folks are getting too wrapped around the whole re-building or re-tooling. This is not the NFL of past. With the correct staff/management you can turn things around rather quickly in comparison in to past years when you were looking at a multiple year process. Granted if our management is that efficient remains to be seen.

Free agency is the biggest reason. That changed the landscape of teams talking a few years to becoming competitive again. There is also the development of young players that come into the NFL. Many are seeming more ready for today's game than when you generally found yourself waiting at least 3 years to get production in previous times.

So yeah I'd sit and wait and see who comes in and what direction they take. There are several examples of teams who had poor seasons (some multiple bad years) that got things turned around the next year or at least became competitive.
I get caught up in it because words have meanings. Just like some people are infuriatingly trying to remake "tanking" into a synonym for rebuilding. I'm all for accurate use of terms.
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I predict we go with Penn State Bill O'brien as head coach.
Trade down from the 1st pick and go with OLB Anthony Barr UCLA.
Trade a pick for Patriots QB Ryan Mallet. Obrien was the OC when they drafted him.
McNair will do his due diligence on the HC and it will lead to O'Brien with a big endorsement from Robert Kraft.
This scenario seems plausible, but I don't like it.

Re-Tool/Re-Build/whatever... The common factors in successful ones are an effective head coach and choosing the right QB.

If we do choose another 3rd round backup QB that wasn't worthy of a 1st round pick again we better not give that MFer another 7+ years to show us what he can do (or what he can't).
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Trade a pick for Patriots QB Ryan Mallet. Obrien was the OC when they drafted him.
Now OC's are controlling draft picks?

Anyway, why in the world would that make sense for either team? The Patriots gave a 3rd for him and he now has 3 years familiarity in their system. What is going to pry him away? What has he shown? - in just short of 3 seasons he has 1 completion, 1.
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Now OC's are controlling draft picks?

Anyway, why in the world would that make sense for either team? The Patriots gave a 3rd for him and he now has 3 years familiarity in their system. What is going to pry him away? What has he shown? - in just short of 3 seasons he has 1 completion, 1.
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Mallett might not be a bad choice, though he's never really flashed in the preseason after all these years. Maybe if we end up cutting all three QBs on the roster and we can get Mallett for cheap to run the team while we coach up a rookie or let him heal in the case of Mett/Murray. I wouldn't see him as a QB of the future, though.
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Now OC's are controlling draft picks?

Anyway, why in the world would that make sense for either team? The Patriots gave a 3rd for him and he now has 3 years familiarity in their system. What is going to pry him away? What has he shown? - in just short of 3 seasons he has 1 completion, 1.
No. I did not say he controlled any draft pick!
Anyway, he was the OC and the QB coach at the time that "THEY" drafted him and may have seen some potential to develop. He has not showed us anything but again he may have shown it to O'brien in practice. He will be going into the last year of his rookie deal after the season and Brady doesn't seems to be going anywhere anytime soon.
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Agreed... That is why I was amazed when uncle Bob said this is not a rebuild, and had Smith sitting beside him. If you are going to take out the garbage, you take it all out and clean with bleach.

Personally I say we do our best to fix the O Line, and fill the many other holes we have instead of drafting a QB this year. 2015 QB prospects look much better to me.

IMHO, we should bring in a vet QB like Cutler, or Rivers, etc, and put the pieces in place for 2015 and make a move to get a top QB prospect then. Of course none of that will happen, but a guy can dream right?
What they should do for the long term health of the franchise isn't the Texans way. Repped
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So some folks are really content to go through another season like this one to have a chance at the "heralded" QB draft class of 2015?

Because the guys coming out are stone cold locks right? Riiiight.

Cutler is dumpster juice and Rivers is having one of his best seasons so that definitely means SD is in a rush to get rid of him. SMH.

I'm not impressed enough with the so called blue chip OL coming out, let alone use the first pick on one. Screw it, trade down into the 20's, pick up a guard and get an extra 3rd round pick right? Brilliant.
Better than taking an overrated Bridgewater and suffering the consequences of that decision for another decade. Give me Clowney and fix the trenches this yr so that the 2015 QB pick will have a greater chance to succeed.

BTW, did't that dumpster juice Cutler take his undermanned team to a NFC championship game 2-3 yrs ago. Aren't they in 1st place in their division this yr? Yep, that's real dumpster juice.
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Yeah hiring Young and Brown will never, ever happen at all!
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Look at what Kansas City did in one season. They got themselves a new head coach (Andy Reid), and then went out and grabbed Alex Smith in a trade with the Niners.

They were the worst team in the NFL last year, and they went into the offseason looking for a new coach and new QB.

Now they are one of the better teams in the NFL. They may not have one of the tougher schedules this season, but they've played well. A lot of their pieces were on the team that went 2-14 the year before.

Not trying to draw too many parallels here between the Chiefs and the Texans, but I really think this team can be turned around quickly.

The two biggest items that need to be addressed (besides getting a coach)... getting a QB and adding a little depth to the team.
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Look at what Kansas City did in one season. They got themselves a new head coach (Andy Reid), and then went out and grabbed Alex Smith in a trade with the Niners.

They were the worst team in the NFL last year, and they went into the offseason looking for a new coach and new QB.

Now they are one of the better teams in the NFL. They may not have one of the tougher schedules this season, but they've played well. A lot of their pieces were on the team that went 2-14 the year before.

Not trying to draw too many parallels here between the Chiefs and the Texans, but I really think this team can be turned around quickly.

The two biggest items that need to be addressed (besides getting a coach)... getting a QB and adding a little depth to the team.
I should point out that the Chiefs benefit from having the weakest schedule in the league; their success this year should be viewed in the context of how they perform over the next 2-4 years.
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It would be my duty to go out and scout, coordinate other scouts to bring in the finest of ALL talents out there.
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