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Old 12-09-2013   #461
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Tate has been inured a lot too. And in a what have you done for me lately business its not like tate is setting the world on fire. A long hard look? I dont see that.

Rbs arent really given big deals if they arent considered special. And tate isnt special. Im trying to think of a comparable player and what they got paid but im drawing a blank...
You know, you might be right. With the market for RBs as it is, he might not command that much money.

If we look back to last year, the two best RBs on the market were Steven Jackson and Reggie Bush. I don't think Tate has their reputation or notoriety and they're the only ones who really got a decent contract. Tate's probably more along the lines of a Chris Ivory or an Ahmad Bradshaw and I don't think either of those guys really broke the bank.

The question is going to be whether he thinks he can be a starter here vs. somewhere fresh.

So. I take it back. We might be able to re-sign Tate pretty easily... if we want to.
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You know, you might be right. With the market for RBs as it is, he might not command that much money.

If we look back to last year, the two best RBs on the market were Steven Jackson and Reggie Bush. I don't think Tate has their reputation or notoriety and they're the only ones who really got a decent contract. Tate's probably more along the lines of a Chris Ivory or an Ahmad Bradshaw and I don't think either of those guys really broke the bank.

The question is going to be whether he thinks he can be a starter here vs. somewhere fresh.

So. I take it back. We might be able to re-sign Tate pretty easily... if we want to.
Its going to be interesring to see. Ive been wondering about tate and this supposed big pay day he has coming for a while now....

But with a new staff coming in, who knows who we re sign...,
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Tate has been inured a lot too. And in a what have you done for me lately business its not like tate is setting the world on fire. A long hard look? I dont see that.

Rbs arent really given big deals if they arent considered special. And tate isnt special. Im trying to think of a comparable player and what they got paid but im drawing a blank...
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All you hatin' on Foster are crazy.....he will be back and will be fine. Get another guy to compete with Johnson as we let Tate walk.
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All you hatin' on Foster are crazy.....he will be back and will be fine. Get another guy to compete with Johnson as we let Tate walk.
Hatin' on Foster = Being concerned he can return from BACK SURGERY?
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What kind of high dollars are people talking for Tate? I'm not seeing it. I think he'll get a decent little contract, but I don't see him breaking anyone's bank.

Tate would've been nice for a team like the colts to pair with Donald brown. Maybe the jags with mojo declining. Falcons...browns...


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...o-10m-contract

Chris Ivory maybe
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Tate has been inured a lot too. And in a what have you done for me lately business its not like tate is setting the world on fire. A long hard look? I dont see that.

Rbs arent really given big deals if they arent considered special. And tate isnt special. Im trying to think of a comparable player and what they got paid but im drawing a blank...
Tate will be in the top 3 RB FA's this year. He might not command a huge salary, but he'll command more than the Texans can pay. Will Tate be a FA or a RFA in 2014? I think he'll be a FA with no leverage, at all, for the Texans.
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Lovie Smith and David Shaw I am interested in but when it comes to Smith it is freaking imperative he gets the right offensive coordinator. That is where his main issue lies and that has to be part of the interview/plan if they went that direction. He needs to put a list together of coordinators he intends on hiring. They need to evaluate each name on it and the true possibility he will be able to bring that coordinator on board.
In 20-something pages I have not seen this issue discussed in detail.
THIS IS CRUCIAL.

A head coach's success is tied at the hip to the quality of coordinators (and other assistants) he brings in. See our team's struggles when we had sucky DCs. See Parcells' success when Belichick was running his defense. Or Pittsburgh's continued success with LeBeau running the defense.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious but picking the right head coach is only one piece to the path to success. What assistants he can bring with him (and which ones here he might consider keeping) is crucial.

In short, if any of the HC possibilities are satisfied with Wade as DC, they're off my list. I want to see new ideas across the board.
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Don't be surprised if Wade Philips becomes the HC of your fightin' Houston Texans!

Just listening to soundbites and the way he's pushing for the job. A win or two to end the season might just convince Bobby Mac.

In that nightmare scenario who gets OC duties next year?
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Just listening to soundbites and the way he's pushing for the job. A win or two to end the season mi ght just convince Bobby Mac.

In that nightmare scenario who gets OC duties next year?
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Not sure trading him makes any sense. We owe him money, he should be ready for training camp, plus he could come back to form depending on his rehab.
This is a very optimistic outcome for a RB coming off of back surgery. Remeber Cody last yr? What team does he play for this yr?
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A RB coming off surgery sets off my Domanick Davis alarms.

All that remains is for Arian Foster to change his last name to Williams.
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All you hatin' on Foster are crazy.....he will be back and will be fine. Get another guy to compete with Johnson as we let Tate walk.
IMO, we look fine at WR. We could use a serious upgrade at TE, though. I would also look hard at a running back. There are no gaurantees at all that Foster will be the back he was a couple of years ago. I think Kubiak and Dennison wore the majority of the tread off his tires in 2011 and 2012.

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THIS IS CRUCIAL.

A head coach's success is tied at the hip to the quality of coordinators (and other assistants) he brings in. See our team's struggles when we had sucky DCs. See Parcells' success when Belichick was running his defense. Or Pittsburgh's continued success with LeBeau running the defense.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious but picking the right head coach is only one piece to the path to success. What assistants he can bring with him (and which ones here he might consider keeping) is crucial.

In short, if any of the HC possibilities are satisfied with Wade as DC, they're off my list. I want to see new ideas across the board.


Couldn't agree more. MSR!
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I can't see a situation where we bring in a head coach that came up through the defensive ranks and keep Wade Phillips on this team. I would imagine Wade would feel slighted that they chose a different defensive coach for the opening and would leave. If he didn't leave I imagine that him and the new head coach would not see eye to eye and it would be difficult to make that work.

I can't see Wade getting this job with the horrible defense that commits COUNTLESS terrible penalties and just plain sucks. You can't give him the benefit of the doubt for no depth on the defense because he was behind 90% of the failed high draft picks on defense. He has not earned anything and is just a placeholder until the new guy is hired, at which time his days are numbered.

Finally, everyone keeps saying he might look good to close out the season and keep the job... Peyton will beat the hell out of us, We have NEVER won in Indy, and the Titans suck. If he gets a head coaching job because he defeats the Titans in week 17 in the most meaningless game of all time, I'll seriously turn my back on this team, become completely fair-weather, and only care about my fantasy football squad.
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I can see 2 scenarios unfolding, the one I am personally wishing for is the first:

1. David Shaw gets the job (obviously no NFL head coaching experience), but that's why Wade Phillips stays on to provide him valuable advice as a head coach that has been there before. The OC and ST Coach hired would be a complete guess for me.

2. Lovie Smith gets the job, this means Wade has a good probability of leaving. He brings in a yes man for DC. Then he hires an OC and ST coach that are a complete guess for me.

I don't want Wade to remain with this team, but I think him staying would be the best opportunity we get David Shaw, which I want far more than scenario 2. I'd really like Ray Horton, but I don't see a scenario where that realistically happens. And every other HC Candidate I've heard in this thread is a loser. Just my thoughts.
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I can see 2 scenarios unfolding, the one I am personally wishing for is the first:

1. David Shaw gets the job (obviously no NFL head coaching experience), but that's why Wade Phillips stays on to provide him valuable advice as a head coach that has been there before. The OC and ST Coach hired would be a complete guess for me.

2. Lovie Smith gets the job, this means Wade has a good probability of leaving. He brings in a yes man for DC. Then he hires an OC and ST coach that are a complete guess for me.

I don't want Wade to remain with this team, but I think him staying would be the best opportunity we get David Shaw, which I want far more than scenario 2. I'd really like Ray Horton, but I don't see a scenario where that realistically happens. And every other HC Candidate I've heard in this thread is a loser. Just my thoughts.

The only scenario I see that includes Wade Phillips staying with the Texans is at HC. I don't think he will accept being DC for another coach for this team, nor do I think they would ask him to do it.
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IMO, we look fine at WR. We could use a serious upgrade at TE, though. I would also look hard at a running back. There are no gaurantees at all that Foster will be the back he was a couple of years ago. I think Kubiak and Dennison wore the majority of the tread off his tires in 2011 and 2012.



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By Johnson I meant Dennis Johnson, my entire post was about the running backs lol

I think TE is a need especially if we cut OD.
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