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Old 12-06-2013   #21
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Hmm, I saw this advertised tonight for the first time. I lived that and not sure I want to live it again. I was in my mid 20's back then and probably too emotionally invested in those teams. The Denver choke job, followed by the ultimate 35-3 Buffalo choke job, followed by that 93 season .. and then followed by the team leaving town for Nashville was too much.
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I was at the KC playoff game. Did anyone else here go?

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I think you mean 92 and 93. The 94 team went 2-14.

Not sure how you can say they would or could have beaten Dallas other than any given Sunday. Dallas had a QB, run game and dline also. In fact Dallas was substantially better both at rushing and rush D plus they weren't handing out INTs like candy.

1992 Dallas didn't just beat the team that beat Houston, they destroyed them.
1993 Dallas handily beat the Bills who handily beat the Chiefs who beat Houston.

Not seeing it.
Of course it's only human to play the what-if-game, so that same year, 1993 (before the playoffs), a buddy of mind wrote this program - some sort of algorithm, while we were both working at the same physics lab on the superconductor supercollider in Waxahachie (if anyone remembers, that project went tits up the same year).

Anyway, according to the results of his program, putting in all the numbers, teams, stats, defense, offense, you name it, any variable we could think of, we showed the Oilers beating the Cowboys in the Super Bowl 72% of the time. I still remember that number 72%. Well, I guess reality ended up on the wrong side of 72.

To top that off, we took all of the same variables and widened it considerably, for the 1960 and 1961 Oilers, crunching the numbers against both the AFL and the NFL - specifically the NFL - because we wanted to know the probability of the Oilers winning the Super Bowl if there had been one in '60 and '61.

The results? For 1960, out of all the teams in both conferences, 82% of the time the Oilers won the "NFL Championship" against Detroit, Philadelphia and Green Bay.

In 1961 - The same program spat out 90%!!! the Oilers beat Green Bay, Philadelphia, the Giants, and one time, the Browns by some crazy lopsided score that I can't remember.

I'm sure somebody could do the same thing today - maybe even on Madden...Haha...but always what if. I'm sure you can all picture it.
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I'm definitely tuning in to this.

I was merely a kid back then and watched them almost every week but my dad was very much more into the Oilers than I was, obviously. I'm sure he'll be watching it as well.

Can any of you older gents that experienced it weigh in on that team and that season?
I can't wait....that was one hell of a talented team...but a circus. Should be a great show. The NFLnetwork does a great job with this series.
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Hmm, I saw this advertised tonight for the first time. I lived that and not sure I want to live it again. I was in my mid 20's back then and probably too emotionally invested in those teams. The Denver choke job, followed by the ultimate 35-3 Buffalo choke job, followed by that 93 season .. and then followed by the team leaving town for Nashville was too much.
The drafts that followed were also miserable. I absolutely hated watching Steve McNair and Eddie George get drafted knowing that Houston was just a layover for them.

As soon as I heard they were moving, then I started hating all things Oilers. I started burning my favorite Glanville-era black ballcap one night in a drunk rage and then my brother talked me out of it.

I switched allegiance to the Cowboys and then they got stomped on Thanksgiving 1997 by the Tennessee Oilers. It only got worse after until I heard we were getting another team.....and we all know how that's going.

It's been a hard road for Houston football fans that remember the Oilers. Most squads were bad and the good squads got sabotaged by an imbecilic owner. This show's gonna be painful.
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I'm looking forward to this, being relatively new to football and Houston learning the history is important to me. I can relate though, back in '93 I endured similar sporting heartbreak following my soccer team come agonizingly close to winning the first ever Euro Champions League.
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I'm looking forward to this, being relatively new to football and Houston learning the history is important to me. I can relate though, back in '93 I endured similar sporting heartbreak following my soccer team come agonizingly close to winning the first ever Euro Champions League.
you ought to enjoy this then...heartbreak all over the place. One hell of a talented roster in 93 for sure. This current Texans team had nothing on that team even at it's peak potential.
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I think you mean 92 and 93. The 94 team went 2-14.

Not sure how you can say they would or could have beaten Dallas other than any given Sunday. Dallas had a QB, run game and dline also. In fact Dallas was substantially better both at rushing and rush D plus they weren't handing out INTs like candy.

1992 Dallas didn't just beat the team that beat Houston, they destroyed them.
1993 Dallas handily beat the Bills who handily beat the Chiefs who beat Houston.

Not seeing it.
No way in hell does the 90's Oilers beat the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys dynasty in a Super Bowl.

The Cowboys, as much as I loved to hate them, were so freakin' dominant. And beyond the obvious HoF talent at so many key positions, a great head coach who knew how to motivate and use his players, that team was clutch year after year. You don't win 3 Super Bowls in four seasons unless it is legendary greatness. I agree with Aikman that Jerry Jones screwed himself with ego. That team could have won at least one or two more championships if Jimmy Johnson had stayed around. I do not doubt that at all. (Matter of fact, did you see the recent "A Football Life" about the Cowboys o-line in the '90's? "The Great Wall Of Dallas" it was called, just aired this week.)

The Oilers, while my team, were never clutch. They could never get past the second round of the playoffs, even when spotted a first round bye. Warren Moon, for all his great stats, was not a 60 minute QB. He wilted where Aikman rose to the challenge.

The amazing thing about the '93 Oilers to me was that they still had a pulse. A team that just went through 35-3, historic embarrassment that still reverberates today, still had the heart to overcome a crappy 1-4 start to pull out one last hurrah for Houston fans. Sad ending, but helluva' fun season, and I look forward to seeing this documentary.
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The episode chronicles the tumultuous 1993 season and features interviews with former Oilers coaches, players and front office staff.

For those Houston football fans who might not remember the 1993 season, it was filled with football, drama and more drama. It's a very-well done special on one of the most interesting seasons in NFL history.

The 1993 Oilers were a Super Bowl favorite but started the year in miserable fashion. They recovered but ultimately the season ended in heartbreak. In between, there was plenty of dysfunction, most of which swirled around new defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan.

Ryan eventually took a swing at offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride in the season finale, an event that gets its fair share of time during the show. Other events covered include the benching of Warren Moon and David Williams' decision to miss a game for the birth of his son.

Moon, Mike Munchak, Buddy Ryan, William Fuller and Gilbride are just a few of the people interviewed throughout the special.

Moon, Haywood Jeffires and Sean Jones will be in studio for "A Football Life: Backstory" after the hour-long special.
This will probably get moved, but I thought I'd put it here to begin with, in case some are not aware, and would like to tune in.

Me personally, if I watch .... it will only be with an empty stomach.
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We should be so lucky to have teams as good as those 90's Oilers. We really did not realize how good we had it.
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This will probably get moved, but I thought I'd put it here to begin with, in case some are not aware, and would like to tune in.
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We should be so lucky to have teams as good as those 90's Oilers. We really did not realize how good we had it.
Meh, not really. The damage those teams did to this city's psyche shows itself today in our discussions and buy-in of the Texans. The Oilers really damaged people's fandom. People are always waiting for the other show to drop. And the Texans have obliged, for the most part.
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Me personally, if I watch .... it will only be with an empty stomach.
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Personally I've always felt that it was silly to look at stuff that happened to the Oilers and hold onto that regarding the Texans. The Texans are a completely different franchise with different coaches and it's so far removed from that era of the NFL even. It isn't even the same style of football played. I do read people's thoughts on this board and I realize that it has effected people's psyche , but it doesn't and never will with me. Even if we still had the Oilers it wouldn't with me, because once you completely change regimes you really have an entirely different management philosophy. And hell, we don't even have the same owner as before who can effect things like Bud did. I don't like Mcnair personally, but for different reasons that I didn't like Adams. Th 93 Oilers have no effect at all on how I judge or feel about the Texans. I felt like the Oilers were more committed to winning then the Texans have ever been personally, but I hated Bud's ways. Two completely different companies all together.
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I felt like the Oilers were more committed to winning then the Texans have ever been personally, but I hated Bud's ways. Two completely different companies all together.
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I'm gonna pvr and watch, even if it will hurt as much as my current bout with kidney stones.

That team was the most talented in franchise, and Houston history. It's a crime they were saddled with such sub par coaching running that ship.
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Meh, not really. The damage those teams did to this city's psyche shows itself today in our discussions and buy-in of the Texans. The Oilers really damaged people's fandom. People are always waiting for the other show to drop. And the Texans have obliged, for the most part.
I am in that category. For me, going into the Buffalo game, I was just so fed up with the constant letdowns, so I was thinking there was really nothing the Oilers could do to disappoint me any further. But that 35-3 scarred me so bad, I really couldn't get into the 93 season. I remember telling my brother they could win the Super Bowl the next year and it still wouldn't remove that 35-3 stench.

I don't know how many times I've said this, but that 35-3 planted the seed that led to the Oilers leaving. The events of the 93 season greased the skids.

Did it damage me as a fan? You damn well be better believe it did.
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Personally I've always felt that it was silly to look at stuff that happened to the Oilers and hold onto that regarding the Texans. The Texans are a completely different franchise with different coaches and it's so far removed from that era of the NFL even. It isn't even the same style of football played. I do read people's thoughts on this board and I realize that it has effected people's psyche , but it doesn't and never will with me. Even if we still had the Oilers it wouldn't with me, because once you completely change regimes you really have an entirely different management philosophy. And hell, we don't even have the same owner as before who can effect things like Bud did. I don't like Mcnair personally, but for different reasons that I didn't like Adams. Th 93 Oilers have no effect at all on how I judge or feel about the Texans. I felt like the Oilers were more committed to winning then the Texans have ever been personally, but I hated Bud's ways. Two completely different companies all together.
I agree with you in general about being two separate franchises.

However, it's the same fan base (with the exception of the young fans who do not remember the Oilers).

As far as fan perspectives, 'cak and I had an interesting revelation during a conversation about growing up an Oilers fan versus growing up a Cowboys fan.

Cowboys fans (talking my generation and older) grew up with a team that was clutch. Roger Staubach was consistently able to pull victories from the jaws of defeat. And they won championships that way. So Cowboys fans were conditioned to never give up, to never doubt their team, because more often than not, the Cowboys of the '70's did some great things. Then they had the '90's Cowboys dynasty with three championships in four seasons. It just cemented the solid belief of Cowboys fans.

Contrast that to the Oilers. I grew up during Luv Ya Blue. My teams always fell short. They never went to a Super Bowl, much less won a championship (AFL doesn't count, before my time). Then fast forward to the most talented team in Oilers history with Warren Moon and Jack Pardee. They never got past the second round of the playoffs, and the obvious extreme disappointment of 35-3 just continued to condition Houston football fans to chokes and failures.

So many of today's Texans fans (my generation and older) still have a bit of that cynicism to our mentalities. Yeah, obviously different franchise with the Texans, but they have not done anything to erase the conditioning we received as Oilers fans. However, folks like 'cak, who grew up Cowboys fans, always expect the Texans to have the potential to pull out wins at the end of games.

This is just my perspective and something that 'cak and I talked about, so it's not really an argument but rather just a perception of why a big percentage of the Texans fanbase still has a bit of that leftover psyche from the Oilers. Just general observations, fwiw.
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I agree with you in general about being two separate franchises.

However, it's the same fan base (with the exception of the young fans who do not remember the Oilers).

As far as fan perspectives, 'cak and I had an interesting revelation during a conversation about growing up an Oilers fan versus growing up a Cowboys fan.

Cowboys fans (talking my generation and older) grew up with a team that was clutch. Roger Staubach was consistently able to pull victories from the jaws of defeat. And they won championships that way. So Cowboys fans were conditioned to never give up, to never doubt their team, because more often than not, the Cowboys of the '70's did some great things. Then they had the '90's Cowboys dynasty with three championships in four seasons. It just cemented the solid belief of Cowboys fans.

Contrast that to the Oilers. I grew up during Luv Ya Blue. My teams always fell short. They never went to a Super Bowl, much less won a championship (AFL doesn't count, before my time). Then fast forward to the most talented team in Oilers history with Warren Moon and Jack Pardee. They never got past the second round of the playoffs, and the obvious extreme disappointment of 35-3 just continued to condition Houston football fans to chokes and failures.

So many of today's Texans fans (my generation and older) still have a bit of that cynicism to our mentalities. Yeah, obviously different franchise with the Texans, but they have not done anything to erase the conditioning we received as Oilers fans. However, folks like 'cak, who grew up Cowboys fans, always expect the Texans to have the potential to pull out wins at the end of games.

This is just my perspective and something that 'cak and I talked about, so it's not really an argument but rather just a perception of why a big percentage of the Texans fanbase still has a bit of that leftover psyche from the Oilers. Just general observations, fwiw.
And it's easy to forget that during the Glanville/Pardee days, we went to the playoffs 7 straight years. Just to lose obviously.

It's easy to make fun of Glanville but he got to the playoffs 3 consecutive years and then Pardee went 4.

Just always coming up short. It hurts. It's painful.
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I got my DVR set. No way am I going to sit through all those damn NFLN commercials playing over and over and over again.
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