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Old 12-05-2013   #121
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The real truth here is you don't have a clue as to why McNair owns the Texans and you don't know why McNair does what he does. All you are telling us is about some dream you're having and you're pretending to be Bob McNair.
So what are you doing? You're doing EXACTLY the same thing. And you're judging him on it.

If he was as worried about the bottom line as you say he is, he'd be doing other things. There are a lot easier ways to make tons and tons of cash than owning a sports franchise.
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There is really nothing to dispute about that.

My point in this is that just because he's rich, doesn't mean he doesn't care about his profit margin.

Some of the richest people will argue about every dollar and cent they should be earning.

I'm not saying McNair is a penny pincher, but I do think he will take notice if he sees a loss of profits due to loss of fan support.
I agree with you. I do not think he bought the franchise in a completely altruistic desire to bring football back to Houston.

I feel it is a combination of both wanting a winning franchise and a profitable business. To what degree of each is a matter of pure speculation, as none of us has the inside track on McNair and his public persona is always going to be crafted for a specific presentation.

Heck, we have no idea if the dude ever pounds the table and demands anything from his staff, or if he's cool like a Buddhist monk and never shows that kind of emotion. He's still sort of an enigma to Texans fans after 12 seasons, so a lot of the speculation by fans is mere projection.
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Spot on TPN - that is exactly what I remember.



Yeah, might want to get your basic math right before being condescending chief. As 2012 mentioned you are just making up numbers, but ...



First off you said significantly more than several million per game. Now you get to $1 mil. Kinda big difference.

I don't know what you were CEO of but I bet your accountant knew $10 mil is not 10% of $300 mil. Big fancy business owner like you should also know $1 mil in lost revenue isn't going to be anything close to $1 mil in lost profits after all the middlemen and other expenses are accounted.
I respond in a way that I am responded to. Condescension? I learned some of that from you. You're pretty good at it yourself.

Here is what I said Chief, $1 million loss on public ticket sales. Notice the words "public ticket sales". Apparently you skipped over the $2 mil loss on the avg per person spending outside of public ticket sales.

$10 million? Typo Chief, thanks for pointing it out. $3 million loss on gmae day revenues X 10 game days = $30 million which is 10% of gross revenues, 30% loss of ESTIMATED Income.
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I don't make up numbers. The NFL makes $9.5 Billion. Divide by 32 teams. If a NFL team loses $3 mil per game day X 10 game days = approx 10% of gross revenues.

Do you know the difference between revenue and profit? Based on your posts I'm not yes you do
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If he was as worried about the bottom line as you say he is, he'd be doing other things. There are a lot easier ways to make tons and tons of cash than owning a sports franchise.
You're doing it again.....
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Do you know the difference between revenue and profit? Based on your posts I'm not yes you do
Yes, revenue is derived from sales. I don't believe I discussed profit, I did mention Income though.
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Yes, revenue is derived from sales. I don't believe I discussed profit, I did mention Income though.
You said nfl teams make 300million. What a team makes isn't its revenue figure. You did the same for the nfl
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You're doing it again.....
Please.

Tell us again how worried he is about the money he's going to lose by keeping Kubiak... if that's what he chooses to do.
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Here is what I said Chief, $1 million loss on public ticket sales. Notice the words "public ticket sales". Apparently you skipped over the $2 mil loss on the avg per person spending outside of public ticket sales.
Nope, here is what you said 1st:

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You're underestimating the amount of revenue loss. Just based on your cavalier dismissal of revenues is well over several million each Sunday.
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If a club loses $10 million a yr from game day revenue
That is $1 mil per game.

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$10 million? Typo Chief, thanks for pointing it out.
Your attempt to get to $3 mil in lost revenue was purely made up and unrealistic. $1 mil in lost ticket sales is roughly 11,500 tickets per game. That would mean no single game ticket sales at all AND a significant number of unsold season tickets.
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You said nfl teams make 300million. What a team makes isn't its revenue figure. You did the same for the nfl
Yes an NFL team makes approximately $300 million in gross revenues each year.

If you don't like the word "makes" feel free to insert generates, derives, acquires, receives or what ever word you are most comfortable with.
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Yes an NFL team makes approximately $300 million in gross revenues each year.

If you don't like the word "makes" feel free to insert generates, derives, acquires, receives or what ever word you are most comfortable with.
When you say a company makes x a year that's profit unless you state otherwise. I did point this out with my amazon post that you quoted and obviously missed it there too
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So what are you doing? You're doing EXACTLY the same thing. And you're judging him on it.

If he was as worried about the bottom line as you say he is, he'd be doing other things. There are a lot easier ways to make tons and tons of cash than owning a sports franchise.
Taking basically 100-200 mil and turning it into 1.5 bil in a decade isn't a bad return on BoB's $$$$,the kicker is there's very litlle risk in owning an NFL franchise.

Tell me what type businesses you can make that kind of $$$$ with little risk?
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Nope, here is what you said 1st:



Then 2nd:



That is $1 mil per game.

Now you are saying:



Your attempt to get to $3 mil in lost revenue was purely made up and unrealistic. $1 mil in lost ticket sales is roughly 11,500 tickets per game. That would mean no single game ticket sales at all AND a significant number of unsold season tickets.
you need to go back and re-read....you're try to make a there where there is no there. How many season ticket are there? I'm assuming 60,000. And Yes, not unreasonable for a large number of single game tickets go unsold for a 2-10 team. I have seen pictures of Reliant with less than 50% of seats occupied.
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When you say a company makes x a year that's profit unless you state otherwise. I did point this out with my amazon post that you quoted and obviously missed it there too
Excuse me. The team PRODUCES $300 million in Revenues.
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Taking basically 100-200 mil and turning it into 1.5 bil in a decade isn't a bad return on BoB's $$$$,the kicker is there's very litlle risk in owning an NFL franchise.

Tell me what type businesses you can make that kind of $$$$ with little risk?

Bob paid 700m along with his friends. His return is around 7% a year over more than 10 years
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Excuse me. The team PRODUCES $300 million in Revenues.

That's on avg which is far different than median too
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I have seen pictures of Reliant with less than 50% of seats occupied.
Whoohoo for you. The game was sold out as has every Texans game been including after the 2-14 season.

Your numbers mean every game blacked out.
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mcnair strikes me as a fella who knows absolutely nothing about football and since he doesnt know the game, he relies too much on his crony yes men/texas good old boy network.

Id rather have an owner too involved like cuban or jones rather than an owner completely oblivious and detached.
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Whoohoo for you. The game was sold out as has every Texans game been including after the 2-14 season.

Your numbers mean every game blacked out.
NO my numbers mean that during your proposed sellout there were quite a few single game tickets unsold and there were 50,000 no show fans who weren't there spending $40 a head and most of the rental suites went unsold.

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if we lose this game then mcnair will fire kubiak this week, 100%
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