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Old 12-01-2013   #61
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Look we scored 31 points today but gave up 34 (and 27 of those in the second half). The thing is against a bad or weak defense Kubiak's offense can still score points. Against a competent defense or one that's not missing some key pieces this offense isn't particularly productive anymore.

Today was about Wade's "Fisher-Price" defense crapping the bed though. Nobody's winning games when their defense is letting the other team run up and down the field over and over again for TD's.

But no more chances for Kubiak. He's had plenty of chances. He's done, or he should be.

Most of the pre-game shows touched on coaching Hot Seats, and one commentator said Kubiak is sitting on the hottest one. He said the "health" issue is more than viable for his release at the end of the season.
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Nobody's winning games when their defense is letting the other team run up and down the field over and over again for TD's.
looks like new england just did it
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That was debunked long ago.
Kubiak didn't call plays in Denver until late in his tenure. Not during the Elway Super Bowl years. Besides the point, he hasn't been a good play caller here, when he did it. Gary Kubiak is not a good play caller.

This is not Kubiak's offense. It is Shanahan's, who created it from a Reeves/Walsh amalgam. This is not Kubiak's running attack. That came from Alex Gibbs. Kubiak is not a special innovator. There's nothing special about him. I doubt very seriously that he draws a lot of attention as a NFL assistant. Unless he has a friend that gets a head coaching job. He has proven to be among the least capable head coaches in this league. He knows nothing of the defensive side of the ball. He has no interest or respect for special teams. He knows less football than Dom Capers, who regularly gets trashed here and never got the opportunities that Kubiak has bee given. Gary Kubiak would be best served as a mid-small college coach that doesn't have to meet high expectations. He'd be perfect at Rice.
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What was that TV show ? Of yeah ... 8 is enough .
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looks like new england just did it
Nope, in the second half we had the ball 6 times and scored two TD's New England had the ball 6 times in the second half and scored 3 TD's in a row followed by a pair of FG's.

So 5 out o 6 times they got the ball in the second half they scored.
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Kubiak didn't call plays in Denver until late in his tenure. Not during the Elway Super Bowl years. Besides the point, he hasn't been a good play caller here, when he did it. Gary Kubiak is not a good play caller.

This is not Kubiak's offense. It is Shanahan's, who created it from a Reeves/Walsh amalgam. This is not Kubiak's running attack. That came from Alex Gibbs. Kubiak is not a special innovator. There's nothing special about him. I doubt very seriously that he draws a lot of attention as a NFL assistant. Unless he has a friend that gets a head coaching job. He has proven to be among the least capable head coaches in this league. He knows nothing of the defensive side of the ball. He has no interest or respect for special teams. He knows less football than Dom Capers, who regularly gets trashed here and never got the opportunities that Kubiak has bee given. Gary Kubiak would be best served as a mid-small college coach that doesn't have to meet high expectations. He'd be perfect at Rice.
Wow, this could not be more true.
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Kubiak didn't call plays in Denver until late in his tenure. Not during the Elway Super Bowl years.
Kubiak assumed play calling early in the 2nd SB season so incorrect.

Doesn't mean anyone has to like his play calling here.
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The calendar say December 1st not April 1st.
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Thought this thread was from 2010.
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Kubiak didn't call plays in Denver until late in his tenure. Not during the Elway Super Bowl years. Besides the point, he hasn't been a good play caller here, when he did it. Gary Kubiak is not a good play caller.

This is not Kubiak's offense. It is Shanahan's, who created it from a Reeves/Walsh amalgam. This is not Kubiak's running attack. That came from Alex Gibbs. Kubiak is not a special innovator. There's nothing special about him. I doubt very seriously that he draws a lot of attention as a NFL assistant. Unless he has a friend that gets a head coaching job. He has proven to be among the least capable head coaches in this league. He knows nothing of the defensive side of the ball. He has no interest or respect for special teams. He knows less football than Dom Capers, who regularly gets trashed here and never got the opportunities that Kubiak has bee given. Gary Kubiak would be best served as a mid-small college coach that doesn't have to meet high expectations. He'd be perfect at Rice.
Agree with every word of this.

You forgot one: Gary Kubiak is not a "QB guru." Enough with calling him one. The guy has ridden the John Elway/Steve Young Super Bowl train long enough. He has not nothing with QB's over the last 10 years. Nada.

No one wants to take a serious, hard look at Gary Kubiak's career, because Gary is a "nice guy" and no one wants to knock a nice guy. But if you really look at what he has accomplished, it's not as impressive as people think.
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If Kubiak was ok with being a coordinator he could get a job almost immediately. You can try to discredit it as much as you want its all there in black and white.

Head coach on the other hand probably won't happen again for him.

Retire.
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Oh ell no, you di'in jus say that!

I wouldn't want Kubes even as an OC! Maybe back in 10' I would have been fine with him as OC, but he's shown in the last three years that the only thing he's consistent with is being inconsistent. I don't know who we'll bring in, at this point I really don't care. It is time to change. Eight years is three years too long, even by the most of conservative standards!
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If Kubiak was ok with being a coordinator he could get a job almost immediately. You can try to discredit it as much as you want its all there in black and white.

Head coach on the other hand probably won't happen again for him.

Retire.
Agree. As I said above, he'll get a OC job. Not that I think he has done well enough in Houston. He is conservative and doesn't adjust well. But the league is full of retreads and there are many of those that are ex HCs getting coordinator jobs. So overall that is his best bet. I've wanted him gone from Houston for years and they aren't even my primary team. So much so that I wrote McNair before they brought on Wade.
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Kubiak didn't call plays in Denver until late in his tenure. Not during the Elway Super Bowl years. Besides the point, he hasn't been a good play caller here, when he did it. Gary Kubiak is not a good play caller.

This is not Kubiak's offense. It is Shanahan's, who created it from a Reeves/Walsh amalgam. This is not Kubiak's running attack. That came from Alex Gibbs. Kubiak is not a special innovator. There's nothing special about him. I doubt very seriously that he draws a lot of attention as a NFL assistant. Unless he has a friend that gets a head coaching job. He has proven to be among the least capable head coaches in this league. He knows nothing of the defensive side of the ball. He has no interest or respect for special teams. He knows less football than Dom Capers, who regularly gets trashed here and never got the opportunities that Kubiak has bee given. Gary Kubiak would be best served as a mid-small college coach that doesn't have to meet high expectations. He'd be perfect at Rice.
Rice has a competent head coach in David Bailiff. Kubiak would be a serious downgrade for Rice.
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Kubiak assumed play calling early in the 2nd SB season so incorrect.
From a New York Times article dated December 12, 1999.

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Mike Shanahan of the Denver Broncos is considered by many National Football League coaches to be the best play-caller in the game. The head coach spends dozens of hours during the week planning.

When he eats, he thinks about plays. When he dreams, he sees X's and O's. During the Broncos' two Super Bowl runs, watching Shanahan call plays was like seeing a skilled pilot perform the perfect aerial maneuver. It was a thing of beauty.


And Shanahan would never, ever permanently hand off the play-calling duties to someone else on his staff, as Giants Coach Jim Fassel has done. In Shanahan's world, to do so is blasphemy.


''I have the utmost confidence in my offensive coordinator, Gary Kubiak,'' Shanahan said this past week, ''but the reason I have not given up the play calling on a long-term basis is because I think what happens is you remove yourself from the game.''


He added: ''You become detached. I think it hurts you as a coach in the long run. And what if you give those duties to your offensive coordinator, and for a year or two he calls the plays, then leaves for a head coaching job? Then instead of you learning all of the nuances of the offense those few years, your offensive coordinator learned them and took those lessons to another team.''
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Rice has a competent head coach in David Bailiff. Kubiak would be a serious downgrade for Rice.
I should have said "a Rice", describing what type of school would be a good fit.
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I have seen Shanahan interviewed and describing it as just like Kubiak does here with an OC making the initial call and then the HC making the final call. But whatever. Minor point in the grand scheme and he is toast either way.
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I should have said "a Rice", describing what type of school would be a good fit.
At some point I think he takes over Aggie. God, I'd love to see that.
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At some point I think he takes over Aggie. God, I'd love to see that.
zero chance gary lands a big time program HC job...

back to qb coach.. but, i think he'll just retire.
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I have seen Shanahan interviewed and describing it as just like Kubiak does here with an OC making the initial call and then the HC making the final call. But whatever. Minor point in the grand scheme and he is toast either way.
hehe prolly just best to admit that you were wrong, and move on...

we all are disappointed with the season.

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