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Old 01-10-2014   #21
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Updated after watching bowl games and also getting a chance to dig deeper into some guys I haven't seen enough of.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
3. Blake Bortles – UCF
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
7. Brett Smith – Wyoming
8. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
9. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
10. David Fales – San Jose St

HB
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
3. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Charles Sims – West Virginia
7. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
8. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
9. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
10. Devonta Freeman – Florida St

FB
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch – Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland – LSU
4. Chris Coyle – Arizona St
5. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Marqise Lee – USC
3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
4. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
5. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
6. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
7. Allen Robinson – Penn St
8. Davante Adams – Fresno St
9. Jarvis Landry – LSU
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
4. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
7. Xavier Grimble – USC
8. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
9. Jake Murphy – Utah
10. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St

OT
1. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
2. Greg Robinson – Auburn
3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
5. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
6. Morgan Moses – Virginia
7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
8. James Hurst – North Carolina
9. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
10. Seantrel Henderson – Miami

OG
1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
4. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
5. Anthony Steen – Alabama
6. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
7. Jon Halapio – Florida
8. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
9. Spencer Long – Nebraska
10. Brandon Linder – Miami

OC
1. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
2. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
3. Bryan Stork – Florida St
4. Marcus Martin – USC
5. Tyler Larsen – Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
3. Kony Ealy – Missouri
4. Trent Murphy – Stanford
5. Trevor Reilly – Utah
6. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
7. Michael Sam – Missouri
8. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
9. Chris Smith – Arkansas
10. Taylor Hart – Oregon

DT
1. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
3. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
4. Dominique Easley – Florida
5. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
6. Will Sutton – Arizona St
7. RaShede Hageman – Minnesota
8. Ego Ferguson – LSU
9. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
10. Anthony Johnson – LSU

OLB
1. Anthony Barr – UCLA
2. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Vic Beasley – Clemson
6. Dee Ford – Auburn
7. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
9. Telvin Smith – Florida St
10. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
3. Christian Jones – Florida St
4. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
6. Max Bullough – Michigan St
7. Lamin Barrow – LSU
8. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
9. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
10. DeDe Lattimore – South Florida

CB
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Jason Verrett – TCU
4. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
5. Marcus Roberson – Florida
6. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
7. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
8. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
9. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
10. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
3. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
5. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
6. Tre Boston – North Carolina
7. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
8. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
9. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St

SS
1. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
2. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3. Craig Loston – LSU
4. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
5. Dion Bailey – USC
6. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
7. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
8. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
9. Daytawion Lowe – Oklahoma St
10. Jacques Washington – Iowa St

K
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
2. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
3. Cairo Santos – Tulane

P
1. Steven Clark – Auburn
2. Kirby Van Der Kamp – Iowa St
3. Pat O’Donnell – Miami

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Looks really good. Rep.
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have you checked out Greg Robinson, who is a beast (Auburn) certainly looks like a franchise LT. Matthews not so much, more like serviceable LT, starting RT or pro bowl LG.

did you see that Florida State red-shirt sophomore Kelvin Benjamin is turning pro?

really nice job overall
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have you checked out Greg Robinson, who is a beast (Auburn) certainly looks like a franchise LT. Matthews not so much, more like serviceable LT, starting RT or pro bowl LG.

did you see that Florida State red-shirt sophomore Kelvin Benjamin is turning pro?

really nice job overall
List has been updated at post #21 to include players who have since declared.

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I wish I can see Robinson against edge rushers a whole lot more; it's too difficult to have a good read of him in pass pro.
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I wish I can see Robinson against edge rushers a whole lot more; it's too difficult to have a good read of him in pass pro.
That's the one thing that makes it hard for me to rank him ahead of Matthews. I really think Robinson is one of those guys who would benefit from a year or two at RT before he moved over. Definitely a potential franchise LT though.
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Robinson is blessed as is KB. tough call - base grades as current or as projected? I tend to always look forward, but that is just personal choice.
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Thanks for your top '5's.
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Robinson is blessed as is KB. tough call - base grades as current or as projected? I tend to always look forward, but that is just personal choice.
Combination of both. Potential is taken into account, but you never know what kind of coaching these guys are going to get until you see which team drafts them. I like guys who need less work to make the transition, but it would be foolish to ignore a talented athlete just because he is raw.

I would personally draft Robinson over Matthews because I think he is a franchise LT. But Matthews is so far ahead technically that he is clearly the better player at this point in time. If Robinson went to the wrong team he could end up as a RT who is inferior to Matthews.
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Combination of both. Potential is taken into account, but you never know what kind of coaching these guys are going to get until you see which team drafts them. I like guys who need less work to make the transition, but it would be foolish to ignore a talented athlete just because he is raw.

I would personally draft Robinson over Matthews because I think he is a franchise LT. But Matthews is so far ahead technically that he is clearly the better player at this point in time. If Robinson went to the wrong team he could end up as a RT who is inferior to Matthews.
Is Robinson's talent worth picking #1 overall ?
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I wonder if Kouandjio dropped off quite a few spots because he had a bad game against Oklahoma or because you've seen more, bah?

Is it possible that he had some kind of issues that particular day?
Normally, I saw him better on the edge than that; admittedly, I've only watched about six or seven of his games so far.
Was there another one or two bad games that stood out for you?
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Is Robinson's talent worth picking #1 overall ?
His talent at this point in time? No.

His potential to be a franchise LT? Yes.

You pass if you're the Texans because you already have Duane Brown and don't need to take the risk on him. If you're a team that's desperate for a LT you might do it.
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I wonder if Kouandjio dropped off quite a few spots because he had a bad game against Oklahoma or because you've seen more, bah?

Is it possible that he had some kind of issues that particular day?
Normally, I saw him better on the edge than that; admittedly, I've only watched about six or seven of his games so far.
Was there another one or two bad games that stood out for you?
It wasn't just Oklahoma but that game definitely made an impression on me. Kouandjio was protected last year by having Warmack next to him. He was left one on one a lot more often this year and I didn't think he looked as good. He's clearly a specimen, but he looks off balance a lot to me. The style of offense Alabama runs gives the OL an advantage in pass blocking because defenders are slow to push the pocket off the snap for fear of leaving their run gap unmanned.

He's got great size and he's a plus athlete for the position. He's just underwhelming to me. Definitely a first round prospect. I just like some other guys more after digging deeper.
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I've looked at the Bleacher Report Mock and if there is a WR heavy draft as they have, OTs Taylor Lewan and Cameron Erving are still on the board at 2-33 as are DE Stephen Tuitt and DT RaShede Hageman; all projected as 1st rounders.

Assuming we were not able to pick up a second 1st in a trade, who would you pick? For this arguments sake, let's assume we've already picked QB with 1-1.
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I've looked at the Bleacher Report Mock and if there is a WR heavy draft as they have, OTs Taylor Lewan and Cameron Erving are still on the board at 2-33 as are DE Stephen Tuitt and DT RaShede Hageman; all projected as 1st rounders.

Assuming we were not able to pick up a second 1st in a trade, who would you pick? For this arguments sake, let's assume we've already picked QB with 1-1.
Who would I pick out of Lewan, Tuitt, and Hageman? Erving is going back to school.

Tuitt if it falls that way. I don't like taking a DE that early but he's a future All Pro as a 34 DE.
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Who would I pick out of Lewan, Tuitt, and Hageman? Erving is going back to school.

Tuitt if it falls that way. I don't like taking a DE that early but he's a future All Pro as a 34 DE.
Me too. It would be tough to pass up a big need at OT with that kind of talent sitting there. However Tuitt would be to good to pass up. There should be some solid RT prospects available at 3.1. .
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Updated after watching bowl games and also getting a chance to dig deeper into some guys I haven't seen enough of.

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
3. Blake Bortles – UCF
4. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
5. Derek Carr – Fresno St
6. Tajh Boyd – Clemson
7. Brett Smith – Wyoming
8. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
9. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
10. David Fales – San Jose St

HB
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
3. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Charles Sims – West Virginia
7. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
8. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
9. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St
10. Devonta Freeman – Florida St

FB
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch – Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland – LSU
4. Chris Coyle – Arizona St
5. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Marqise Lee – USC
3. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
4. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
5. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
6. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
7. Allen Robinson – Penn St
8. Davante Adams – Fresno St
9. Jarvis Landry – LSU
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
3. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
4. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
7. Xavier Grimble – USC
8. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
9. Jake Murphy – Utah
10. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St

OT
1. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
2. Greg Robinson – Auburn
3. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
4. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
5. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
6. Morgan Moses – Virginia
7. JuWaun James – Tennessee
8. James Hurst – North Carolina
9. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St
10. Seantrel Henderson – Miami

OG
1. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
2. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
3. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
4. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
5. Anthony Steen – Alabama
6. Chris Watt – Notre Dame
7. Jon Halapio – Florida
8. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
9. Spencer Long – Nebraska
10. Brandon Linder – Miami

OC
1. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
2. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
3. Bryan Stork – Florida St
4. Marcus Martin – USC
5. Tyler Larsen – Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
3. Kony Ealy – Missouri
4. Trent Murphy – Stanford
5. Trevor Reilly – Utah
6. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
7. Michael Sam – Missouri
8. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
9. Chris Smith – Arkansas
10. Taylor Hart – Oregon

DT
1. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
2. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
3. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
4. Dominique Easley – Florida
5. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
6. Will Sutton – Arizona St
7. RaShede Hageman – Minnesota
8. Ego Ferguson – LSU
9. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
10. Anthony Johnson – LSU

OLB
1. Anthony Barr – UCLA
2. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Vic Beasley – Clemson
6. Dee Ford – Auburn
7. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
8. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
9. Telvin Smith – Florida St
10. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
3. Christian Jones – Florida St
4. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
5. Shayne Skov – Stanford
6. Max Bullough – Michigan St
7. Lamin Barrow – LSU
8. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
9. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
10. DeDe Lattimore – South Florida

CB
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Jason Verrett – TCU
4. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
5. Marcus Roberson – Florida
6. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
7. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
8. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
9. E.J. Gaines – Missouri
10. Terrance Mitchell – Oregon

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
3. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
5. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
6. Tre Boston – North Carolina
7. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
8. Antone Exum – Virginia Tech
9. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
10. Dontae Johnson – North Carolina St

SS
1. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
2. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3. Craig Loston – LSU
4. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
5. Dion Bailey – USC
6. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
7. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
8. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
9. Daytawion Lowe – Oklahoma St
10. Jacques Washington – Iowa St

K
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
2. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
3. Cairo Santos – Tulane

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Curious to see you have mettenberger ranked ahead of carr. That's contrary to everything I've read but qb is perhaps the most subjective position of them all. I have admittedly seen far less of these guys then you so not really a big deal...just something that stood out to me. Thanks for your efforts. Im still in a learning phase on college talent and progress will be slow on what I think fits here till our coaching staff is complete. Appreciate your posts. Will you be compilling a list ranking regardless of position in the near future?
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Curious to see you have mettenberger ranked ahead of carr. That's contrary to everything I've read but qb is perhaps the most subjective position of them all. I have admittedly seen far less of these guys then you so not really a big deal...just something that stood out to me. Thanks for your efforts. Im still in a learning phase on college talent and progress will be slow on what I think fits here till our coaching staff is complete. Appreciate your posts. Will you be compilling a list ranking regardless of position in the near future?
I've been high on Mettenberger for a while now. I backed off after the injury, but I've changed my mind. He's not a mobile guy anyway so a mobility injury doesn't change anything about his game. He's got the arm talent to be great. He's mentally behind but made great strides this year under Cam Cameron.

I've been trying to like Carr because the national guys do, but I'm just not as high on him as everyone else. Every time I watch him all I see is Davante Adams making him look good. The rotoworld link that was posted the other day really confirmed some of my beliefs on him.

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Some of those stats about Carr make me concerned, especially the short pass accuracy issues.
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