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Old 12-04-2013   #41
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There is so much dead money sunk into AJ's contract after the dozen or so restructures he did, it's not even worth talking about moving him until after the 2014 season. Even then, would you really cut the guy or trade him? No way, you gotta extend him a year or two and restructure some of his salary to spread it out over his later years. AJ will probably do that. Guarantee him a good baseline of money for his last few years and let him retire a Texan at a bit lower rate.
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Old 12-04-2013   #42
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Ive been using that site for awhile now. Posters like steelbluetexans is always talking about how bad smith has done. The thing about schaubs contract is i didnt like it when 1st announced, but when i really looked at it, it was a good deal. If he played well,it was a steal,if he sucked,they could get from under it. Smith had reservations about schaub from the get go thats why he structered it so.

I cut daniels,schaub,mccain and let all the free agents go and came up with 27m cap space.I didnt cut any cheap positional player ,but will be looking to upgrade.If nothing else,depth is created. aside from qb,nt,rt,2cbs,safety,te are sorely needed. Ive been watching alot of colege hops to see which of these too short nba pfs might be willing to try football.
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Just some stats of who is signed for 2014 by position with key losses. This includes all the players that fans expect to possibly be cut like Schaub. Also the oline is tough to pick positions. Quessenberry is listed as a OT and Jones as C. Either could end up as guard.

QB - 3
RB - 2 (lost Ben Tate & Greg Jones)
WR - 6
TE - 2 (lost Garrett Graham)
OT - 4 (lost Ryan Harris)
OG - 3 (lost Wade Smith)
C - 2
DT - 0 (lost Earl Mitchell & Terrell McClain)
DE - 3 (lost Antonio Smith)
OLB - 4 (lost Brian Braman)
ILB - 3 (lost Joe Mays & Daryl Sharpton)
CB - 6
S -5
ST - 3

Total - 46

Lost 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players & 1 ST monster.
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The Texans are in better shape cap wise than the past few years but they are still in poor position for 2014. We aren’t in total cap hell. I’d define that as having to cut good players just to fit under the cap. My rule for determining if a team is in good cap shape is if they can re-sign starters and/or primary backups without cutting, extending or restructuring contracts to get it done. People look at sites like overthecap and get excited thinking of all the cap space we’ll have. That’s like looking at yardage and deeming we have the best defense in the NFL. Here’s a breakdown:

123 million - 2014 Salary Cap Estimate
8 million - Estimated Texans Rookie Salary Pool
3 million - Dead Money
2 million – Space to replace IRed players/absorb roster churning cuts

That leaves 110 million cap space. In 2014 we already have 46 players signed that take up 114 million of cap space. That means we have negative 4 million in cap space. Add the 7-8 players that will be drafted to the 46 and we are at the 53 man roster already.

Some people say we are in fine cap shape because we can cut Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Joseph or a combination of them and a few other players. Think of what could have been. If Schaub returned to pre-Lisfranc level and we went to the AFC championship game this year – he’d be well worth the contract. If Daniels or Manning hadn’t been injured and played as well as they are capable – they’d be worth the contracts. Basically, you give someone a contract with the intent that they WILL perform to the level of their contract. Just because they have underperformed doesn’t mean cutting them was the intention when drawing up the contract. We have 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players that are FAs in 2014. Without cutting another player, restructuring or extending contracts we couldn’t re-sign any of them. Not even 1. What if one was irreplaceable? .

Bottom line is that Rick Smith hasn’t done a good job managing the cap - the Texans are really just lucky that players haven’t played well. Nobody will question cutting any of the starters listed. Think of it. If we cut all 4, we’ll have 8 new starters in 2014. BTW – that’s without addressing the remainder of the roster like Derek Newton.
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I just made enough room to take on adrian petersons contract, lets do it
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The Texans are in better shape cap wise than the past few years but they are still in poor position for 2014. We aren’t in total cap hell. I’d define that as having to cut good players just to fit under the cap. My rule for determining if a team is in good cap shape is if they can re-sign starters and/or primary backups without cutting, extending or restructuring contracts to get it done. People look at sites like overthecap and get excited thinking of all the cap space we’ll have. That’s like looking at yardage and deeming we have the best defense in the NFL. Here’s a breakdown:

123 million - 2014 Salary Cap Estimate
8 million - Estimated Texans Rookie Salary Pool
3 million - Dead Money
2 million – Space to replace IRed players/absorb roster churning cuts

That leaves 110 million cap space. In 2014 we already have 46 players signed that take up 114 million of cap space. That means we have negative 4 million in cap space. Add the 7-8 players that will be drafted to the 46 and we are at the 53 man roster already.

Some people say we are in fine cap shape because we can cut Schaub, Daniels, Manning, Joseph or a combination of them and a few other players. Think of what could have been. If Schaub returned to pre-Lisfranc level and we went to the AFC championship game this year – he’d be well worth the contract. If Daniels or Manning hadn’t been injured and played as well as they are capable – they’d be worth the contracts. Basically, you give someone a contract with the intent that they WILL perform to the level of their contract. Just because they have underperformed doesn’t mean cutting them was the intention when drawing up the contract. We have 4 2013 starters, 5 primary backup/rotational players that are FAs in 2014. Without cutting another player, restructuring or extending contracts we couldn’t re-sign any of them. Not even 1. What if one was irreplaceable? .

Bottom line is that Rick Smith hasn’t done a good job managing the cap - the Texans are really just lucky that players haven’t played well. Nobody will question cutting any of the starters listed. Think of it. If we cut all 4, we’ll have 8 new starters in 2014. BTW – that’s without addressing the remainder of the roster like Derek Newton.

Thats a terrible take. If all those guys were playing well we would be good and contending for a super bowl. If that were the case our need for players would be severely less and thus would take less money.
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Thats a terrible take. If all those guys were playing well we would be good and contending for a super bowl. If that were the case our need for players would be severely less and thus would take less money.
Meh - I think you misunderstood me some. The point is that if they were performing you would be forced to cut, restructure or extend in order to get under the cap and you still have starters to replace. That's terrible cap management.
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