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Old 04-23-2014   #1181
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1. I watched the video in it's entirety. 2. "some of the very best" doesn't mean "THE very best".
How do you explain Bortles score being lower than EJ Manuel?
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1. With Bortles, sometimes I see Ben Roethlisberger

Now, that doesn't mean he's going to have the same type of career. Bortles does have a similar build. He is big. He looks like a tight end, and he plays like a tight end at times. But if you remember, no one really wanted Ben Roethlisberger. He had to go to Miami of Ohio. And here you have Bortles, who nobody really wanted. He winds up at UCF.

I remember when we played the Steelers, we had to prepare for their offense. They had Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller and a good run game. Then we played them, and we forgot just how big the quarterback was. We had to game plan for Roethlisberger's scrambling. He would run over people. When I watch Roethlisberger or when I watch Bortles, there is a line between giving up on a play and extending a play. Sometimes Bortles will take a horrible sack, and sometimes he'll get smashed, and sometimes he'll make the greatest play you'll ever see.

2. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

I won't be shocked if the Houston Texans make Bortles the first overall pick, but let's be honest, we are not talking about a fifth-year senior or four-year starter along the lines of Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck.

With Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater and Johnny Manziel, these are underclassmen. They are missing training camp and they are missing a full regular season of strength and conditioning, of fundamental technique work and of playing. So, in some areas, they are like a blank canvas. They have not been exposed to all the different things that some of the others have been exposed to, and that affects how ready they are going to be. The potential is certainly there, but it's probably not realistic to think these guys are going to excel right away.

3. Playing in a pro-style offense helps Bortles

A lot of quarterbacks nowadays look over to the sideline and there's a picture telling them the formation and the play. I like watching Bortles and UCF because they are in the huddle and you don't know what is going to come out.

I like the different personnel groupings. He said they have 10 of them. I like seeing the quarterback under center. The offensive inventory is different when he's under center. A lot of people think tempo means you have to go up and snap it quick, but you have to have great tempo when you are coming out of the huddle, changing personnel and calling plays. The quarterback has to organize the troops. There is a lot of verbiage.

When I watch that offense, I see a lot of the New England Patriots. And when I see a quarterback who can make plays with his arms and legs at Bortles' size, and execute these plays and handle the nuances of pass protection, that is pretty exciting.

4. The QBs aren't the only high-risk players

Every player in the draft has question marks, not just the quarterbacks. I would want Blake Bortles, I would get him and I would start this process immediately. I would not be shocked if the Texans took him No. 1.

You are looking at a 6-foot-5, 232-pound, 22-year-old kid who can make plays. He can run over you, he is elusive and he has guts. And he has won some big games and put a football program that was totally obscure nationally into a New Year's Day bowl game -- and won it. So there is a lot of upside here.

5. Check back in a couple of years

Bortles has a release that is not typical, but the ball comes out quick and accurate. I think his base and his lower body have improved tremendously. He is working in concert with his feet and his legs, and I think his accuracy has improved.

He still has work to do in refining his fundamentals. There is no question. Remember, he is a junior, not a finished product. He has very good playing instincts, very good playing strength, and he has an interesting football background, having played in this pro system. I think you have to look a couple of years down the road to identify what you potentially have with him.
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How do you explain Bortles score being lower than EJ Manuel?
Manuel and Bortles are SOME of the very best. Outside of that it does appear you're looking for an argument or you're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
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Not anything here I disagree with. Again, thanks Playoffs for all of your dedication to the draft cause.
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Manuel and Bortles are SOME of the very best. Outside of that it does appear you're looking for an argument or you're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
"SOME of the very best" what?!?

If you can't/won't answer the question, that's cool. No one is looking to start a fight. Some thing just are what they are. Some people rank Blake a 1-1 and some rank him being EJ Manuel. It's cool.
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Blake Bortles is now in Orlando eating BBQ at 4 rivers bbq. That is all!
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That's the biggest concern for NFL coaches. Bortles is what we call a gripper – he squeezes the ball very hard as he works his delivery. It's difficult to turn it loose and rip the ball when you do that. Therefore, Bortles tends to push the ball rather than snap it and drive it. It shows up on throws that demand either velocity or distance, or both, and it is readily apparent on his deep balls. They hang in the air, and seemingly hit a wall the farther they get. There were far too many vertical throws in which his receiver had meaningful clearance from the defender, and Bortles significantly underthrew him. Some were complete, but that is not likely to happen in the NFL with better corners and safeties. The problem is exacerbated in cold weather.

Study the SMU game late in the season, in Dallas. It was 24 degrees, with the wind at 12 mph. Bortles had problems throwing the ball that day. It's something you must carefully evaluate if you're the Cleveland Browns or Minnesota Vikings (the Vikings will play the next two years outside at the University of Minnesota); not only their home games, but their divisional road opponents as well, which include cold weather cities like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago and Green Bay.

Many have pointed to Bortles' inconsistencies with his lower body mechanics as the reason for his seeming inability to drive the ball. There are two schools of thought. The first focuses on the concept of sequencing, beginning with your legs, and working through to your hips, then your shoulders, and finally your arm. That approach postulates that if you fire the first three in proper sequence, your arm will follow, and the ball will come out with velocity. The second philosophy stipulates that throwing starts with your arm position, your hands and your shoulders. If you're fundamentally proficient in those areas, your hips and legs will automatically snap forward, giving you the necessary torque and weight transfer that is required to spin it. When you hear the phrase "he can sit on his back foot and drive the ball," it's the result of the shoulders, hands and arm being the main triggers, not the lower body.

Bortles will improve his lower body mechanics with more coaching and more refinement. The larger question is whether he can alter the way he grips the ball; if that does not change, he will continue to struggle to make the throws that demand velocity and distance. In the NFL, you do not get many opportunities in a given game to hit deep balls; you can't miss those throws if you expect to be a top quarterback.
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I'm sure you'll be reposting this article in the Bridgewater thread. 22 minutes & counting.
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I'm sure you'll be reposting this article in the Bridgewater thread. 22 minutes & counting.

you mean i cant pick and choose only certain things i want to post to blast just certain prospects?
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you mean i cant pick and choose only certain things i want to post to blast just certain prospects?
Now that I think about it, I think I posted it in the Bridgewater thread a day or two ago.

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I guess I just don't know what to look for. I see the same basic mechanics from Bortles that I see in....gasp...Peyton Manning. They have very similar throwing styles from what I see. Maybe the highlight reels I watch just don't show enough focus on the QB. And no, I don't thin Bortles is the next Manning, but I would seriously consider drafting him at 1.1 if I couldn't find a trade partner. My forced picks at 1.1 would be Bortles, Robinson, Jake Matthews, Gilbert, Clinton-Dix, Mack, Watkins.

I wouldn't be butt hurt over any of those picks. I would be very neutral over a JFF pick. Kind of hide and watch. He translates as equal to Vick, to me. Lot's of potential, but tucks and runs too soon to be as effective as scrambling QB's tend to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfqB80z8d24

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I guess I just don't know what to look for. I see the same basic mechanics from Bortles that I see in....gasp...Peyton Manning. They have very similar throwing styles from what I see. Maybe the highlight reels I watch just don't show enough focus on the QB. And no, I don't thin Bortles is the next Manning, but I would seriously consider drafting him at 1.1 if I couldn't find a trade partner. My forced picks at 1.1 would be Bortles, Robinson, Jake Matthews, Gilbert, Clinton-Dix, Mack, Watkins.

I wouldn't be butt hurt over any of those picks. I would be very neutral over a JFF pick. Kind of hide and watch. He translates as equal to Vick, to me. Lot's of potential, but tucks and runs too soon to be as effective as scrambling QB's tend to be.

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i'd be pissed if we took clinton-dix at 1-1.

he's good, but he's not the second coming of ronnie lott or ed reed...even then i still wouldn't do it.
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i'd be pissed if we took clinton-dix at 1-1.

he's good, but he's not the second coming of ronnie lott or ed reed...even then i still wouldn't do it.
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like i said, i like him as a S prospect, but he's not one of the top 5, even 10 prospects overall in this draft.
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like i said, i like him as a S prospect, but he's not one of the top 5, even 10 prospects overall in this draft.
That's pure speculation and has no real basis in reality. In 3 years, he might be a no brainer. I would gamble on him as soon as I would Clowney. Not nearly the gamble, imo.
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That's pure speculation and has no real basis in reality. In 3 years, he might be a no brainer. I would gamble on him as soon as I would Clowney. Not nearly the gamble, imo.
well to be fair, you can say the same about all 300+ players that are draft eligible.

at this point, EVERY pick is a gamble, but i rather get the most value out of it.
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"There's a lot of things I liked. There's a lot of things that you have to project for the future. You see the size. You see some arm strength. But then you see some things where he didn't hold the ball cleanly in the pocket. He presses at times. He can get streaky. He gets dangerous with the ball sometimes. And how many big games did he play in?" – NFC scout
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