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Old 03-10-2014   #881
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Except that positive comments were also made about Johnny Manziel so that makes Trap Star's comments null & void. Teddybots are a little feisty this morning.
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Except that positive comments were also made about Johnny Manziel so that makes Trap Star's comments null & void. Teddybots are a little feisty this morning.
So because I prefer Clowney at #1 I'm a Teddybot? The Captain Save A Hoe in you runs deep for Bortles huh?



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Do tell... ?

Palmer just signed with the Bears, so he'll be doing his own workouts.
I'm not a Palmer follower, but noticed him working with Bortles on the Sportscenter piece last night prepping for the combine. Its just funny that he's even in the NFL because he was a terrible COLLEGE QB.

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I recall someone ridiculing Teddy B. on this board for working with Chris Weinke? Hmm.
I have no clue who that could be, but its not a big deal. Plenty of terrible pro QBs are good teachers/coaches.
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I'm not a Palmer follower, but noticed him working with Bortles on the Sportscenter piece last night prepping for the combine. Its just funny that he's even in the NFL because he was a terrible COLLEGE QB.



I have no clue who that could be, but its not a big deal. Plenty of terrible pro QBs are good teachers/coaches.
I agree...just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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So because I prefer Clowney at #1 I'm a Teddybot? The Captain Save A Hoe in you runs deep for Bortles huh?
Well...hit me the head with a hammer....
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This mentality is just what I don't get....Nope, sorry, doesn't work like that.
Good stuff bro. Everyone here wants to recreate the Cleveland Browns as if they aren't the most disappointing franchise and fan base of all time.

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Of course nobody knows how these QBs will turn out. You could argue to know their floors and ceiling, but even that is not acurate. Bridgewater could be Aaron Rodgers with a slightly less strong arm but better feet. Bortles could be Luck. Manziell could be Wilson with more of an x-factor. At the same time Bridgewater could be Alex Smith, Bortles could be Gabbert and Manziel could be an injury prone Locker.
You said it great right here. Good stuff. Everyone wants to be a soothsayer and predict failure for all QBs in this draft because that is the popular opinion right now, but it's a wack way of thinking. People got spoiled on Andrew Luck and want to see that every year then bring up Gabbert when they don't.

Although it seems that everyone from that distant time period of 2011 is now dead and gone cause no one remembers that Gabbert was supposed to be the QB of that draft and nearly every board had him higher than Cam, but now looking back everyone acts like Cam had ZERO flaws and was an unquestioned #1.

Cam was rated lower than 2 of the top 3 QBs in this draft and this draft is deeper and stronger (on paper). These QBs MIGHT be terrible, but I'd be willing to bet they aren't and don't be surprised if you see NFL teams betting on it too. But you never know, maybe Andrew Luck will re-enter the 2015 NFL draft and slips to us at #9ish.
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At the top of most draft boards, there are maybe 5 players who are considered top notch talent but also "safe" - Clowney, Robinson, Mack, Mathews and Watkins.

You sign a veteran FA quarterback, someone like Kellen Clemens or Matt Flynn, to a 2 year contract, you bring Yates and Keenum into camp, and you draft a QB in the back half of the draft.

Evaluating our OL, we seem to be solid with one exception at RT, which can be addressed in the mid-rounds. Evaluating our receivers, we have a solid core to go into training camp with.

At 1-1 you pick either Clowney or Mack.
This is a good strategy... to go 7-9 for the next 4 years. (Just my opinion)

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"Safe" in the context of having the talent worthy of the first selection. In this light, I haven't seen Mosley in the top 5 on any of the major big boards or discussed as a potential 1-1 selection. If discussing from the angle of character, you can subtract Clowney. The Texans should take Mack with 1-1, which is my position.
I disagree. Safe is an arbitrary word used on this board to try to quantify a person's opinion.

You think Clowney is safe, I think he's far from it. I think TB is safe, you might think he doesn't belong in a uniform.

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You say this with such conviction. Where has this once been demonstrated? Let's not even focus on the fact that BOB has been away from Ryan the last 2 years...
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You said it great right here. Good stuff. Everyone wants to be a soothsayer and predict failure for all QBs in this draft because that is the popular opinion right now, but it's a wack way of thinking. People got spoiled on Andrew Luck and want to see that every year then bring up Gabbert when they don't.
Personally, I don't expect all of these guys to fail. I think there are going to be 3 maybe 4 starters come out of this class... I just don't think it's a sure thing, that it's going to be any one of the top 3.

To me, it's not worth using the #1 overall on. If we were picking out of the top 10, with our current need at QB... I'd take one of the top 3, any one of them & be happy.

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Cam was rated lower than 2 of the top 3 QBs in this draft and this draft is deeper and stronger (on paper). These QBs MIGHT be terrible, but I'd be willing to bet they aren't and don't be surprised if you see NFL teams betting on it too. But you never know, maybe Andrew Luck will re-enter the 2015 NFL draft and slips to us at #9ish.
First, the book isn't closed on Cam. He made the play-offs...... woo-hoo.

2nd, it's not that he's throwing it & working from the pocket better than anyone thought he would.... same with Wilson. It's doing the things they say Manziel won't be able to do that keeps them in the conversation.

Yes, their passing numbers are great... but it's the threat of their legs that opens up the passing game for them. & we all "know" Bridgewater won't be that guy.

I'm looking at 10 players in this draft that I think have better odds to be successful in the NFL than any one of the top 3... then I see 3 or 4 QBs that will be available at 2-1 with just as good a chance to be successful as the top 3.

No way I use that #1 pick on one of these QBs.

Just for reference, how do you rank the top three vs Joe Flacco coming out of college.
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Personally, I don't expect all of these guys to fail...

No way I use that #1 pick on one of these QBs.

Just for reference, how do you rank the top three vs Joe Flacco coming out of college.
That's cool. To each their own. We will see come draft day. We disagree, but I respect the line you draw and stand behind it instead of swaying.

I always liked Flacco, but I understood why we traded away the pick to draft him cause we just inked that loser to a 6 year deal...

But for me to sit here and give you a straight answer on how I felt about him would be me pulling it out of thin air. I didn't pay attention nearly to the level I do now and my opinion of QBs has since changed. Back then I wanted Rocket Arms, 6'5+, and poise in the pocket.

Now I still love height, but I can live without it if you have great feet (not scrambling feet, but pocket manipulating feet like Brees, Rodgers, and Big Ben to an extent). Poise is still the biggest thing to me. You can't get spooked by imaginary pressure cause you got lit up 3 plays before. You gotta stand tall and deliver the pass. More than anything though you gotta get the ball to your play makers. I HATE running QBs, always have.

There is a quote I once heard that I will likely butcher, but it goes something like " There are always a lot of young running quarterbacks that enter the league, but you rarely see any of them grow old in it ".

Bortles isn't the most accurate, but he delivers strong in just about every other category that I've always been down on which is why I would love him to be a Texan (2nd choice obviously though).

BTW, you and Texecutioner are crazy, Mike Smith is a HORRIBLE NFL head coach. Ask any Falcons fan. They've been saying the same things about Mike Smith that we were saying about Kubiak for years, difference is Mike Smith has had more talent to stay his execution date.... so far.
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I still think a trade down scenario is ideal, it's just that I've come around to thinking it won't materialize. If the Browns were to trade up, who do you think the new GM and HC would be targeting. What I've heard is that they might take a non-QB at 1-4 and then take Carr at 1-26; or take whatever QB falls to them at 1-4.
My long term opinion was recently reinforced by ESPN or NFL analyst agreeing that Browns need to make huge steerage change & need a face of the team. A QB that has Manziel's skills + his ability to motivate teammates (who can forget him following Mike Evans on side line and getting in Evan's face?) will not only rally fans but bring tons of PR with national exposure from the minute JM is drafted. Cleveland has drafted with great risk before so not scary for them. I do not see Carr that far down (#26). Do they risk Texans taking TB 1-1 or trading to another team needing a QB? I think for Cleveland, Manziel is the bright shiny lure before the hungry bass. I just hope our fisher know how to dangle the bait, set the hook and patience to reel in the right deal.

Another thought is a deal with Vikings, Jacksonville or Oakland could offer more significant picks that #4 & 26.
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I do not see Carr that far down (#26). Do they risk Texans taking TB 1-1 or trading to another team needing a QB? I think for Cleveland, Manziel is the bright shiny lure before the hungry bass. I just hope our fisher know how to dangle the bait, set the hook and patience to reel in the right deal.

Another thought is a deal with Vikings, Jacksonville or Oakland could offer more significant picks that #4 & 26.
Just FYI, almost every message board I've looked at wants to trade down. This includes Atlanta at #6. Won't happen.

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That he single handily beat beat BOb's PSU team and BOb saw him first hand hahaha
Single handily? I'd be willing to bet that he actually used both hands and he had help from his team. I would also be willing to bet this is not the correct word choice...

I'm just teasing, I know what you were saying.
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Just FYI, almost every message board I've looked at wants to trade down. This includes Atlanta at #6. Won't happen.



Single handily? I'd be willing to bet that he actually used both hands and he had help from his team. I would also be willing to bet this is not the correct word choice...

I'm just teasing, I know what you were saying.
Sure all teams want to trade down& get more players but few do. I think teams needing QB in top 10 will be interested in trading up. Watkins & Clowney could also receive offers.
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But for me to sit here and give you a straight answer on how I felt about him would be me pulling it out of thin air. I didn't pay attention nearly to the level I do now and my opinion of QBs has since changed. Back then I wanted Rocket Arms, 6'5+, and poise in the pocket.
Well... that's Flacco. That's still the guy I prefer, that's still the guy "prototypical" refers to & I believe that's the guy O'Brien is looking for. Neither Bortles or Bridgewater are any closer to that "mold" than Flacco. That's where Ponder/Gabbert/Newton/etc... should have been drafted. Mid 1st. That's where Bridgewater & Bortles should be drafted...

again imo.

Also understand, that I don't like Flacco. I think he fits the mold, but don't think he's been a very good QB outside the play-offs (not taking anything away from him, just saying).

Bridgewater may be more poised than Flacco, but he's lacking in height & arm strength. Bortles may be as poised (as Flacco), but he's lacking arm strength.

Too much talent at the top of this draft to take these QBs in the top 10.
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I'll always remember people talking about Sam Bradford having the best pro day workout they've ever seen. His results so far? Not too impressive. Vince Young had an incredible pro day workout. Result? Bankrupt...... If a guy can't look good throwing against air then he probably has no business even being discussed in the first round.
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I'll always remember people talking about Sam Bradford having the best pro day workout they've ever seen. His results so far? Not too impressive. Vince Young had an incredible pro day workout. Result? Bankrupt...... If a guy can't look good throwing against air then he probably has no business even being discussed in the first round.
What if the air is fighting back? ie: Wind
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What if the air is fighting back? ie: Wind
You still need to be able to make most throws even against chaotic wind conditions. I want to say it was Andre Luck who threw on a windy pro day. He didn't exactly look GREAT on deep throws from all reports, but he was sharp on short to intermediate passes. A QB has to be able to battle heavy wind conditions in order to be considered as a franchise QB in my view. The environment won't always be perfect so the great ones are able to adjust.

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You still need to be able to make most throws even against chaotic wind conditions. I want to say it was Andre Luck who threw on a windy pro day. He didn't exactly look GREAT on deep throws from all reports, but he was sharp on short to intermediate passes. A QB has to be able to battle heavy wind conditions in order to be considered as a franchise QB in my view. The environment won't always be perfect so the great ones are able to adjust.
I hear you, good stuff.

I was joking more than anything. It was a bad joke, sorry.
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