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Old 03-09-2014   #861
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I never said he didn't. In fact, I have said next to Bortles, Manziel has had similar performances, just not as many as Bortles. Manziel & The Peach Bowl was an amazing performance. The difference is Manziel was exposed twice by the LSU Defense and once by Mizzou.
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I never said he didn't. In fact, I have said next to Bortles, Manziel has had similar performances. The Peach Bowl was an amazing performance. The difference is Manziel was exposed twice by the LSU Defense and once by Mizzou.
And Bortles was "exposed" by Memphis.
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this. if both Manziel and Teddy were 6'5, what would be Bortles' claim to be the #1 pick instead of the other two?
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this. if both Manziel and Teddy were 6'5, what would be Bortles' claim to be the #1 pick instead of the other two?
But Manziel isn't. And Manziel's arm isn't the typical prolific arm you see in a top flight NFL passer either. Sure, he wrapped up a ton of stats in college, but he flings it around and doesn't have great mechanics either. I love watching the guy and wouldn't be ticked if we took Manziel. He is so exciting in every game. I just don't think he'll stay upright with his style of play. He doesn't like to stay in the pocket and make his reads. He likes to roll out and get out of the pocket when he doesn't always need to and that's not a great habit either. He can improve and get better in his pocket presence I'm sure though. That is a problem Vick has had his entire career though and Vick still hasn't gotten over that. Like Vick, Manziel has that same habit and he loves to throw on the run. Throwing on the run is a great skill, but he needs to get better as a pocket passer that steps into his throw in an over hand motion instead of that little fling pass he likes to do. And with Manziel always scrambling to the outside he makes himself vulnerable for getting his from the blind side. That is why Vick is always getting hurt and compiling tons of fumbles every year.
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this. if both Manziel and Teddy were 6'5, what would be Bortles' claim to be the #1 pick instead of the other two?
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That he single handily beat beat BOb's PSU team and BOb saw him first hand hahaha
That makes me worry more about O'Brien than it does to impress me about Bortles.
But then O'Brien isn't running our defense.... so there's that.
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Just saw Bortles tape against Ohio State in 2012... He was pretty bad.
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Just saw Bortles tape against Ohio State in 2012... He was pretty bad.
It was his 2nd College start and it was in Columbus OH. I'm not sure what you were expecting? He did seem to learn from his experience and made rapid improvements. Imagine how good Bortles would be if had been a 3 year starter this year like Teddy.


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there goes Texian bringing up Teddy's name again for no reason.


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I didn't realize Bortles was working with Jordan Palmer. That kind of makes me chuckle a little. I've heard some funny stories spread around within scouting circles about him.
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But Manziel isn't. And Manziel's arm isn't the typical prolific arm you see in a top flight NFL passer either. Sure, he wrapped up a ton of stats in college, but he flings it around and doesn't have great mechanics either. I love watching the guy and wouldn't be ticked if we took Manziel. He is so exciting in every game. I just don't think he'll stay upright with his style of play. He doesn't like to stay in the pocket and make his reads. He likes to roll out and get out of the pocket when he doesn't always need to and that's not a great habit either. He can improve and get better in his pocket presence I'm sure though. That is a problem Vick has had his entire career though and Vick still hasn't gotten over that. Like Vick, Manziel has that same habit and he loves to throw on the run. Throwing on the run is a great skill, but he needs to get better as a pocket passer that steps into his throw in an over hand motion instead of that little fling pass he likes to do. And with Manziel always scrambling to the outside he makes himself vulnerable for getting his from the blind side. That is why Vick is always getting hurt and compiling tons of fumbles every year.
Do you know why both JM/Vjck both roll out of the pocket when they sometimes don't have too? To see, because they're both short.
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Do you know why both JM/Vjck both roll out of the pocket when they sometimes don't have too? To see, because they're both short.
Its really only a problem on short drops....... On deep drops its a non-issue which is why you see Brees 8-10 yards behind the LOS, and when Vick was his most successful he was throwing darts 8-10 yards behind the LOS. Tall QBs have a huge advantage under the center when it comes to short drops, but otherwise its equalized because you're throwing through passing lanes or throwing deep passes.
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I didn't realize Bortles was working with Jordan Palmer. That kind of makes me chuckle a little. I've heard some funny stories spread around within scouting circles about him.
Piecing these two statement together, does that mean what I think it means?
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there goes Texian bringing up Teddy's name again for no reason.


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Piecing these two statement together, does that mean what I think it means?
Except that positive comments were also made about Johnny Manziel so that makes Trap Star's comments null & void. Teddybots are a little feisty this morning.
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Do you know why both JM/Vjck both roll out of the pocket when they sometimes don't have too? To see, because they're both short.
Drew Brees seems to make that rollout thing work just fine.
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Drew Brees seems to make that rollout thing work just fine.
With a good coach, it can happen. If you draft Manziel (or happen to have a Case Keenum on your roster) you have to make it part of your game plan.
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I didn't realize Bortles was working with Jordan Palmer. That kind of makes me chuckle a little. I've heard some funny stories spread around within scouting circles about him.
Do tell... ?

Palmer just signed with the Bears, so he'll be doing his own workouts.
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I didn't realize Bortles was working with Jordan Palmer. That kind of makes me chuckle a little. I've heard some funny stories spread around within scouting circles about him.
I recall someone ridiculing Teddy B. on this board for working with Chris Weinke? Hmm.
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