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Old 01-23-2014   #401
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The NFL is a QB driven league and the Texans don't have a QB. Only one position in all of football is worth $20+ mil and that is a QB. As bad as things have been the Texans are still smart enough to understand this (let's hope so anyways). If not, whoa is we......
I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
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I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
If Seahawks win that means that it will be their last one if they give Wilson his big payday lol.
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I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.
That isn't even a semblance of an attempt to look at the matter objectively. Wilson is what? That's right an aberration that everyone is talking about as an aberration. Manning is one of the top paid QBs in the league.

On top of that, try looking at the ring holders and take your caps lock off. Aaron Rodgers was on his 2nd contract before winning the SB. Brees - paid before winning the SB. Eli before x 2. Big Ben was a top paid QB even on his rookie deal before winning the SB

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Try listing the paid in the bottom half of QBs who won and see if the forest doesn't magically appear for you.
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Not sure if this really means much, but...

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The man responsible for recruiting Bortles to UCF was Geoff Collins. He was the TE coach at Georgia Tech for a year when Bill O'Brien was OC
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Not sure if this really means much, but...
I think the bigger connection is obviously the George O'Leary connection.

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One reason Bortles is a strong candidate is the connection between Houston Texans coach Bill O'Brien and UCF coach George O'Leary. O'Brien coached for seven years under O'Leary at Georgia Tech and maintains a close relationship with the Knights coach.

In a Q&A with the Houston Chronicle, O'Brien gave some indication that the relationship with O'Leary and his staff (O'Brien also coached with Charlie Taaffe at Maryland) could be paying early dividends in getting to know Bortles.

Asked about the Knights junior quarterback, here is what O'Brien told the Chronicle:


"Blake is a good-sized guy. He's an athletic guy for his size. He's an accurate passer. The guys who coached him at Central Florida think highly of him as a young man who really studies the game. He works hard at the game."
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I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
Seesh. This year had 6 playoff teams with starting QBs on their rookie contract and 5 playoff teams from your highly paid list; leaving Alex Smith (lifetime earning over $70M and the Chiefs #1 priority right now is signing him to a contract extension that will greatly increase his salary in 2014 from the currently scheduled $7.5M) as your only bargain playoff QB.

With the exception of some broken QBs on your list (Schaub, Sanchez) the guys on your list give their teams a shot at the playoffs. Even though they didn't make it this year I think that the Steelers, Cowboys, Giants, Falcons, Bears, Lions, and Rams are in better shape at the QB position than the Titans, Jaguars, Browns, Raiders, Vikings, and well, Texans are.

The best QB in the draft doesn't have to be Manning or even Luck. If he can be Bradford or Stafford you better take him at 1.01. Otherwise you are playing the "hoping Henne or Pryor will be Montana or Brady" game. Good luck, they are usually John Beck.
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"Time with Bortles"

If I could spend time with Bortles
The first thing that I'd like to do
spend everyday, him throwing passes my way
Just let him run offense from Florida

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I'd savor every day the Texans said You
Again, they would have to draft a RT too

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do, when defenses are fierce
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I want to go through all our timeouts with

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And dreams that had never come true
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@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
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OK ... this ones gonna be a little slower for you know who .

"Time with Bortles"

If I could spend time with Bortles
The first thing that I'd like to do
spend everyday, him throwing passes my way
Just let him run offense from Florida

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I'd savor every day the Texans said You
Again, they would have to draft a RT too

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do, when defenses are fierce
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I want to go through all our timeouts with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty, except for the memory of how
I really wanted the Texans picking you
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@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
Who's talking to who in these things?
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@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
No doubt. If he's considered to be the top QB and the staff thinks he is franchise QB worthy, it's no reach.
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@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
Heard him compared to Gabbert today
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I've compared him to Locker, but I fully agree that he's more developed than Locker was coming out.
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I've compared him to Locker, but I fully agree that he's more developed than Locker was coming out.
Bortles is head and shoulders above Locker in Completion %, TD to INT ratio, QB rating and last possession/game winning drives.
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Bortles is head and shoulders above Locker in Completion %, TD to INT ratio, QB rating and last possession/game winning drives.
Very similar skill set but further along in his development. Definitely the better prospect but the comparison holds weight, I think.
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Very similar skill set but further along in his development. Definitely the better prospect but the comparison holds weight, I think.
I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
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I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
It's just too bad he didn't weigh more so he wouldn't have gotten injured so easily.



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I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
Really?

Accuracy and pocket composure aren't important in a NFL QB?

Dude was a poor college QB.
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I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
I liked Locker coming out of Washington. His big issue was that he didn't develop at all the last two years he was in school. He was very raw and too reliant on his athleticism coming into the NFL. I would've drafted him with the understanding that he probably isn't playing at all his first two years. Especially since they had Hasselbeck.

I don't think he is a lost cause. He has tools. They just need to be refined. He has improved by baby steps each year. But I don't think franchise QB is in his future either.
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I liked Locker coming out of Washington. His big issue was that he didn't develop at all the last two years he was in school. He was very raw and too reliant on his athleticism coming into the NFL. I would've drafted him with the understanding that he probably isn't playing at all his first two years. Especially since they had Hasselbeck.

I don't think he is a lost cause. He has tools. They just need to be refined. He has improved by baby steps each year. But I don't think franchise QB is in his future either.
I actually thought Locker was starting to develop over the last year and a half, but his chronic injuries have stunted his growth. He's about to reach the point of no return.
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