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A lot has changed in the three months since I released my first set of rankings for the draft, but you'll notice my top two players in the draft haven't. Here is my second look at the top 50 prospects for the 2014 draft, which includes a lot of familiar names in different spots, plus a handful of players who are new to the rankings.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...prospects-list

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1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Previous rank: 1

2. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Previous rank: 2

3. Khalil Mack, LB, Buffalo
Previous rank: 8

4. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
Previous rank: 10

5. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Previous rank: 4

6. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Previous rank: 7

7. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Previous rank: 20

8. Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
Previous rank: 5

9. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Previous rank: 9

10. Anthony Barr, LB, UCLA
Previous rank: 3

11. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Previous rank: 19

12. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
Previous rank: 16

13. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Previous rank: 6

14. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Previous rank: 25

15. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Previous rank: 47

16. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
Previous rank: 35

17. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Previous rank: 41

18. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
Previous rank: 13

19. Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State
Previous rank: 32

20. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Previous rank: 14

21. Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
Previous rank: NR

22. Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Previous rank: 24

23. C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
Previous rank: 12

24. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Previous rank: NR

25. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
Previous rank: 21

26. Xavier Su'a-Filo, OL, UCLA
Previous rank: 38

27. Stephon Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame
Previous rank: 22

28. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Previous rank: 11

29. Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
Previous rank: NR

30. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Previous rank: 27

31. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Previous rank: 18

32. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Previous rank: 17

33. Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
Previous rank: 23

34. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Previous rank: 42

35. Dee Ford, DE, Auburn
Previous rank: NR

36. Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
Previous rank: NR

37. Joel Bitonio, OT, Nevada
Previous rank: NR

38. Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee
Previous rank: NR

39. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
Previous rank: 46

40. Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh
Previous rank: NR

41. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
Previous rank: 45

42. Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Previous rank: 44

43. Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois
Previous rank: NR

44. Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU
Previous rank: NR

45. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Previous rank: 29

46. Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
Previous rank: 26

47. Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
Previous rank: NR

48. Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
Previous rank: 34

49. Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
Previous rank: 30

50. Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington
Previous rank: NR

Out of top 50: Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama (15); Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida (28); Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida (31); Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State (33); Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (36); Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (37); Cyril Richardson, G, Baylor (39); Gabe Jackson, G, Mississippi State (40); Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (43); Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee (48); AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama (49); Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (50)

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Where is Taylor Lewan?????
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Where is Taylor Lewan?????
My mistake, fat-fingered the edit and deleted #9.
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My mistake, fat-fingered the edit and deleted #9.
I was wondering if Lewan was involved in a homicide or something this weekend and I missed it.
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People who think Manziel is the best player in this draft make me question if they just don't know anything about player evaluation, or if they have no integrity and just want page hits.

He's coming from Sumlin's system. Sumlin, remember that guy and his high flying offense from his days in Houston? You know, the system that inflated Case Keenum to a 5600 yards per season QB? I'm as skeptical of a QB coming out of Sumlin's school as I am one who played for Mike Leach.
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People who think Manziel is the best player in this draft make me question if they just don't know anything about player evaluation, or if they have no integrity and just want page hits.

He's coming from Sumlin's system. Sumlin, remember that guy and his high flying offense from his days in Houston? You know, the system that inflated Case Keenum to a 5600 yards per season QB? I'm as skeptical of a QB coming out of Sumlin's school as I am one who played for Mike Leach.
Yes because if their evaluation is different from yours they must not know anything.
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The Tom Savage stuff is just beyond me. Comes off as just going for broke on a guy and hoping you nail it so everyone will think you're a genius.
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The Tom Savage stuff is just beyond me. Comes off as just going for broke on a guy and hoping you nail it so everyone will think you're a genius.
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The Tom Savage stuff is just beyond me. Comes off as just going for broke on a guy and hoping you nail it so everyone will think you're a genius.
my 4th rd. grade now looks ridiculous but on the other side
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The Tom Savage stuff is just beyond me. Comes off as just going for broke on a guy and hoping you nail it so everyone will think you're a genius.
As long as OB+Smith nail it, I don't care.

But.

I personally wouldn't draft the guy before the 5th round.
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The Tom Savage stuff is just beyond me. Comes off as just going for broke on a guy and hoping you nail it so everyone will think you're a genius.
He's got at least 25 high-level representatives from teams fooled into personal visits/workouts... so many he's turning teams away.
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How are guys moving up and down the board with nothing going on? I like gil and his top 100 players are pretty good,but lately he's been way off. R
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How are guys moving up and down the board with nothing going on? I like gil and his top 100 players are pretty good,but lately he's been way off. R
Tape, Smoke, and Mirrors.

First off, remember that the "boards" we're hearing about are the MEDIA Boards. People might not be moving up and down the Team's boards at all. The MEDIA boards, however, are an attempt by the media to figure out how the teams rank guys. And no two teams rank the guys the same way.

So every time a media guy talks to a different scout or representative from a team, they're going to get a different story and a different ranking.

And also... remember... the teams think they know which guys are the best guys and they want to confuse other people as to who those guys are and how they have them rated. So they're going to be lying and cheating and deceiving.

So if the media guy in question is the kind of media guy who's going through tape and trying to be their own scout, they're trying to create their own big-board based on their own judgments after looking at all these guys tape and frankly, they don't have enough time to do it all. So every time they hear about someone new or look at a new game, their ratings are going to change.

If the media guy in question is the kind of media guy who's going through his contacts to try to get a feel about how teams perceive their weaknesses and needs and how they perceive the different players as fits, then his board is going to change depending on who he last spoke to.

But ultimately there are 32 completely different, scheme-dependent boards out there that are the only ones that really matter. There's not a single board that really indicated the best player available.
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People who think Manziel is the best player in this draft make me question if they just don't know anything about player evaluation, or if they have no integrity and just want page hits.

He's coming from Sumlin's system. Sumlin, remember that guy and his high flying offense from his days in Houston? You know, the system that inflated Case Keenum to a 5600 yards per season QB? I'm as skeptical of a QB coming out of Sumlin's school as I am one who played for Mike Leach.
Who did you think was the best player in the 2011 draft?

Looking back, with hindsight, who turned out to be the best player in that draft? What system did he come from?
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Am I missing something here? It's not ok for people to think Manziel is anything less than the best player in this draft... But it's ok for people to think Tom Savage doesn't belong in the top 50.
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Nope. Sounds like you got it to me. That's almost exactly how the Johnny Love works around these parts.

It's VY all over again.
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Nope. Sounds like you got it to me. That's almost exactly how the Johnny Love works around these parts.

It's VY all over again.
Has nothing to do with Johnny love. I have said repeatedly I wouldn't draft him 1.1. But I can see where people think he is the best Player in this draft. He has everything you look for in a QB other than prototypical size. In fact if JF bad prototypical size there wouldn't be any question where he would go in this draft. In a draft where EVERYONE has warts, he along with several other players could easily be first on many big boards. Not to mention he plays the most important position in the game.

Savage on the other hand has very little going for him. To project him as a top 40 player is reaching BIGTIME. I've also never said "if you don't agree with me you must not know anything about evaluating players". There is a difference in saying that and saying people must be reaching on a guy hoping to get lucky to look smart.
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Am I missing something here? It's not ok for people to think Manziel is anything less than the best player in this draft... But it's ok for people to think Tom Savage doesn't belong in the top 50.
Not sure why you quoted me. I've been very vocal on this board about not being all that high on Manziel.

I'm critical of the Savage stuff because I watched him in college. He wasn't that great. Played well his last year, but top 50? Absolutely not. JMO.
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Not sure why you quoted me. I've been very vocal on this board about not being all that high on Manziel.

I'm critical of the Savage stuff because I watched him in college. He wasn't that great. Played well his last year, but top 50? Absolutely not. JMO.
I haven't watched any of his games.

Give me your opinion of his strength/weaknesses and room/chances for growth and improvement.
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