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Old 11-26-2013   #41
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Unfortunately, this 2-9 team reflects Kubiak's 8 years as head coach. I do not mean this as an insult, but 8 years into it, we should not be the worst team in the NFL.

I certainly appreciate the positives that he has achieved with this team, but I think this on-going 9 game losing streak and everything that it entails is an obvious sign that this team needs a new direction.

Hopefully, the next coach can build on the good things that Kubiak did for the franchise. Regardless of what you think about his tenure, the fact remains that this franchise never had a winning season before he arrived. And don't act like it was a "sure thing" with any coach, because the Saints first 20 years in the league proves otherwise.
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Very true DB. For whatever anyone wants to say about Kubiak (including myself) he was an improvement over Capers.

Now, once again, it's time to move on. Nothing says the next coach is going to be our savior, but at least it'll be a different coach.
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I like Kubiak, expect him to have success somewhere else when he finishes up here.

I think it's time to change though.
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Unfortunately, this 2-9 team reflects Kubiak's 8 years as head coach. I do not mean this as an insult, but 8 years into it, we should not be the worst team in the NFL.

I certainly appreciate the positives that he has achieved with this team, but I think this on-going 9 game losing streak and everything that it entails is an obvious sign that this team needs a new direction.

Hopefully, the next coach can build on the good things that Kubiak did for the franchise. Regardless of what you think about his tenure, the fact remains that this franchise never had a winning season before he arrived. And don't act like it was a "sure thing" with any coach, because the Saints first 20 years in the league proves otherwise.
Sometimes the message gets stale after a bunch of years; it did with Billick up here. Glad Jason Garret turned us down.

Sometimes its the second choice who will work harder than the 1st guy. Although working for Jerr-uh! makes it hard.....
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I like Kubiak, expect him to have success somewhere else when he finishes up here.

I think it's time to change though.
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Then I guess every owner in the league has a loser's mentality since mid-season firings are rare.
9 game losing streaks are also rare.
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9 game losing streaks are also rare.
Does 1-10 with the win in week 3 actually make you more likely to keep a HC?

Four teams with 2-14 records the last two seasons, one with a 13 game losing streak. None of the HC's fired mid-season.
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Four teams with 2-14 records the last two seasons, one with a 13 game losing streak. None of the HC's fired mid-season.
But, they all were fired. And what benefit was there from keeping them through the season? I think the Texans can benefit from cutting Kubiak loose now. McNair can bring in a consultant (like he did in 2005 with Dan Reeves) and "scout" the team. He could contact prospective coaches that are not currently employed in the NFL. I don't think McNair would do this if Kubiak is still with the team.

What's the compelling reason to keep Kubiak until the sure to be bitter end? Because "it's rarely done" isn't a good reason in of itself. It's absolutely the right thing to do. The Texans can continue to lose just fine without Kubiak up in the pressbox.
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But, they all were fired. And what benefit was there from keeping them through the season? I think the Texans can benefit from cutting Kubiak loose now. McNair can bring in a consultant (like he did in 2005 with Dan Reeves) and "scout" the team. He could contact prospective coaches that are not currently employed in the NFL. I don't think McNair would do this if Kubiak is still with the team.

What's the compelling reason to keep Kubiak until the sure to be bitter end? Because "it's rarely done" isn't a good reason in of itself. It's absolutely the right thing to do. The Texans can continue to lose just fine without Kubiak up in the pressbox.
Is it because you can't install a new playbook midseason and the guy who wrote the playbook is the best person to coach it?

Can it harm the players to be coached to do the wrong things within the same playbook?

I'm just asking here, don't know just seems like there could be drawbacks, especially for younger players.

Guess you are also best getting kubiaks end of season report on who's done what in terms of execution of what he's trying to get them to do?
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But, they all were fired. And what benefit was there from keeping them through the season? I think the Texans can benefit from cutting Kubiak loose now. McNair can bring in a consultant (like he did in 2005 with Dan Reeves) and "scout" the team. He could contact prospective coaches that are not currently employed in the NFL. I don't think McNair would do this if Kubiak is still with the team.

What's the compelling reason to keep Kubiak until the sure to be bitter end? Because "it's rarely done" isn't a good reason in of itself. It's absolutely the right thing to do. The Texans can continue to lose just fine without Kubiak up in the pressbox.
I just don't get this at all. There's no way you are going to hire a replacement head coach until after the season unless he is on the staff already. Hopefully they have ALL been eliminated already. If they have, firing Kubiak would only put pressure/extra work on one of the assistants to take over. Worst outcome would be clouding a decision that has already been made to fire everyone. Best outcome is what exactly?

So you want to bring in a consultant like Dan Reeves? How did that work out last time? Nobody knows what Reeves said to McNair but...Carr was kept and Kubiak was hired.

Bottom line: Unless you want to evaluate the current staff for potential head coach candidates or the lame duck coach is a cancer (and of all of Kubiak's flaws, that is NOT one), you keep the lame duck coach until the end of the season.
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What's the compelling reason to keep Kubiak until the sure to be bitter end? Because "it's rarely done" isn't a good reason in of itself. It's absolutely the right thing to do. The Texans can continue to lose just fine without Kubiak up in the pressbox.
Rarely done is shorthand for the real world judgment of owners who have collectively been through this decision hundreds of times and who do not find your reasoning to be "absolutely the right thing to do." Your proposed benefits don't pan out in the real world or that wouldn't be the case.
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The only way that I see firing mid-season works is if the owner plans to promote from within the current staff.

And since I think the owner should clean the entire house, let Kubiak wallow in it and suffer the losing streak with his players.

Captains go down with the ship, and so should head coaches with the teams they built. JMO
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The only way that I see firing mid-season works is if the owner plans to promote from within the current staff.

And since I think the owner should clean the entire house, let Kubiak wallow in it and suffer the losing streak with his players.

Captains go down with the ship, and so should head coaches with the teams they built. JMO
I will say this. The one hope I can glean from McNair not firing Kubiak by now is that he must not even be giving consideration to giving the job to Wade. Honestly, I think that would have set this team back for years. If he truly was thinking about going that route, I think Kubiak would have been gone by now and Wade would be the interim head coach.
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I will say this. The one hope I can glean from McNair not firing Kubiak by now is that he must not even be giving consideration to giving the job to Wade. Honestly, I think that would have set this team back for years. If he truly was thinking about going that route, I think Kubiak would have been gone by now and Wade would be the interim head coach.
I agree. I also think that firing mid-season is not the so-called "Texans way" (i.e. the McNair way of doing business).

And I'm okay with that.

Of course, okay as long as they clean house at the end of the season.

It is obvious to me that the coaches are losing the players now. The words coming out of the locker room show divisions between units, and individuals making both cryptic and blatant remarks indicate that the end is near. Heck, like Antonio Smith said, he's seen coaches get fired for less.

McNair has always kept his cards close to his chest. But if fans are feeling the frustration, I can only imagine what's going through his mind to see his franchise meltdown in front of his eyes. I think the fall from grace has been much greater than 2005, because we had a playoff team last year that entered the current season with high expectations. This has been a 180 from hope to hell.
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I will say this. The one hope I can glean from McNair not firing Kubiak by now is that he must not even be giving consideration to giving the job to Wade. Honestly, I think that would have set this team back for years. If he truly was thinking about going that route, I think Kubiak would have been gone by now and Wade would be the interim head coach.
Unless McNair is even stupider than we thought and Kubiak and everyone else is all back here next year.
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Unless McNair is even stupider than we thought and Kubiak and everyone else is all back here next year.
I don't think McNair is stupid, and I would honestly be mindblown if he did such a thing.

He has no goodwill with the fans right now. There will always be a foundation of appreciation for bringing the NFL back to Houston, but that's not going to do anything for the backlash if he trots this staff out there in 2014.

On-going 9 game losing streaks have a way of doing this to fans.
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