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Old 11-25-2013   #61
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up to that point he was...or he was at least even with him. Just like most thought Kaepernick was gonna be the 2nd coming of Randall Cunningham. Things change. Schaub sucks, & Kaepernick still has not progressed much more as a passer...& smith is still at best an above average game manager. The team has lost 2 straight since he hasn't been able to rely on that defense & it'll be interesting to see what he does if Houston & Hali miss any significant time & he can no longer rely on the defense...
He scored 38 points in that last loss. He played great.
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Come on! That is the definition of disingenuous. They blew it this year, no doubt... But, the rebuilding was done and a talented team was put together in about 4 to 5 years. That team didn't get it done in 2011 or 2012. 2013 shows the players aren't responding to the system or coaches anymore and a change is needed.. But the rebuild was done and done well... Perhaps a little slow.
Uh NO.

If the re-build had worked, it would have been sustainable. The idea behind "slow and steady" was that we were building a powerhouse franchise, along the likes of Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.

In addition, the window was wide open for us to solidify the hold in our division, as well as the AFC. Both Indy and the Titans went through major changes, and we should have kept the pedal on the gas and build this thing into a major, formidible franchise.

We didn't.

The re-build failed.
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Clean house.

GET RID OF GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A real GM doesn't make all the mistakes that put us here.
He replaces head coach back in 2010.
He doesn't extend MS.
He doesn't spend stupid money on Reed.

I still contend not trading Mario was the biggest mistake besides extending Kubiak. Even if only had got a couple of 3rd round draft choices we would have saved millions to use to keep our team together. There was no way we were going to keep Mario NO MATTER WHAT.

I see a lot of Mario in Clowney. Don't want him as first round draft choice.
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Uh NO.

If the re-build had worked, it would have been sustainable. The idea behind "slow and steady" was that we were building a powerhouse franchise, along the likes of Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.
Two of those three teams may be sitting at home watching the playoffs just like the Texans this season. Powerhouse isn't something judged by 1 or 2 off years.
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Two of those three teams may be sitting at home watching the playoffs just like the Texans this season. Powerhouse isn't something judged by 1 or 2 off years.
Correct. But I will take those teams multiple super bowl titles over our...wait, what have we done, again?
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Well super bowl is 2017 in reliant. I am down for a hometown superbowl along with a threepete
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Clean house.

GET RID OF GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A real GM doesn't make all the mistakes that put us here.
He replaces head coach back in 2010.
He doesn't extend MS.
To the best of our knowledge those were not Smith decisions. Even if McNair has a new GM conduct the HC search it doesn't mean he will cede those decisions to his sole discretion.

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Correct. But I will take those teams multiple super bowl titles over our...wait, what have we done, again?
Well then don't look to them for the standard for success without looking at how they got there. Peripatetic change is not one of their hallmarks.
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Great thread, so many different directions that I love.

1. A 1st round QB is a must (See 2-14 Colts become 11-5 Colts). They didn't wake up the next season and become a 10-6 team that Luck pushed over the top to a 11-5 record, that is still the same garbage 2-14 team BUT with Andrew Luck. If Luck was out the whole season they'd be 2-14 again. It's so weird every game Luck has an off night (it happens) the opposing teams run up the score. 40 from the Cards, 38 from the Rams, etc.

2. Rick Smith has to go along w/ Kubiak, Phillips, Dennison, and Marciano. Rick Smith is ultimately the one who should be held to the fire for 5 years of HORRIBLE draft picks. Any idiot can win in the first round, but a real GM doesn't fail in rounds 2-6 EVERY YEAR. I know you can say those are Kubiak's/Wade's hand picked selections, but it's ultimately the GM who is held to the fire for them, and I personally don't believe Smith has the power. I think he's a puppet for Kubiak.

3. As for the Schaub vs. Alex Smith debate. Get out of here yall talking like you knew something. You think Alex Smith would have succeeded AS A TEXAN? It's one thing to do it under a good, NOT predictable head coach like Andy Reid, but try that crap under Kubiak. Smith would have failed here JUST THE SAME. Isn't it weird that Case comes out looking strong with the deep ball, scrambling, and sick 'on the fly' moves and then after a few weeks as the starter under Kubiak looks EXACTLY like Matt Schaub? Run to the right where we are the worst in the NFL, Throw it away because it was a predictable poorly drawn up play that didn't have enough time to develop, 3rd and 7 - throw it to a TE 4 yards short of the chains, punt, repeat...

4. The rebuild failed. I like that we modeled it off of those power houses in question, but guess what those power houses did? Never looked like we do today.
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Two of those three teams may be sitting at home watching the playoffs just like the Texans this season. Powerhouse isn't something judged by 1 or 2 off years.
Well, then in that case, 10 season and only 2 playoff appearances. Seems pretty mediocre to me.
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Yep. Someone should bring up the old Schaub vs Smith debates. There were a lot of people here that were suggesting that Schaub was the better QB.
Probably the same people who swore up and down that Keenum was a better QB than Smith.
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Well, then in that case, 10 season and only 2 playoff appearances. Seems pretty mediocre to me.
We're an expansion team. Pittsburgh and Green Bay are not.
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While ur making that list,go to the broncos and patriots and make a list too.I'm pretty sure they've lost as many if not more probowl/high caliber ball players as the texans have. While you're at it,go look at the gb packers superbowl team that had 15 players on ir.
The Texans and Packers are EASILY the two most injury-riddled teams of the last two years. I haven't seen anything like either in all the time I've been watching pro sports.

Over the last three years, the Texans have lost (for an extended period of time) Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Mike Breisel, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, Jonathan Joseph, Danieal Manning, Kareem Jackson and I'm sure I'm forgetting more than a couple more.

You tell me whether the Broncos or Patriots have lost THAT many players and THAT MANY high-quality, integral players. Go ahead. Tell me.


Nobody is saying it's an excuse for poor depth or poor coaching, people. Stop putting words into people's mouths. You know, simply mentioning something is NOT using that something as an excuse. I hope you people realize that. In terms of these injuries, it's merely saying that sooner or later, that utopian fantasy of "next man up!" just doesn't happen. There isn't enough depth in the world to cover what we've had to go through and maintain the same success we would have otherwise. Frankly, it's a miracle we even made it to the AFC Divisional Round in 2011 and 2012.
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Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak should be fired this afternoon. I would hire Eric DeCosta tonight and have him get started on rebuilding this organization from top to bottom. Losers in the scouting department like Grier need to be fired as well. The only guy who should feel safe is Jamey Rootes. The business side is a well oiled machine and he brought the best burgers in H-town, Bernie's Burger Bus to Reliant.

DeCosta will have a head start on picking a coach and will have to assemble a new scouting department. With the new scouts, we need to pick the best QB available in the 1st, best OL in 2nd rd., 3rd-5th rd picks should be spent on LBers. New K signed in FA. Switch to a 4-3. That's my rebuild plan.
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Come on! That is the definition of disingenuous. They blew it this year, no doubt... But, the rebuilding was done and a talented team was put together in about 4 to 5 years. That team didn't get it done in 2011 or 2012. 2013 shows the players aren't responding to the system or coaches anymore and a change is needed.. But the rebuild was done and done well... Perhaps a little slow.
Wow, you are defending the indefensible. Are you trolling us or do you believe what you just wrote above?
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Wow, you are defending the indefensible. Are you trolling us or do you believe what you just wrote above?
He's not a troll. He believes it, sadly.


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Wow, you are defending the indefensible. Are you trolling us or do you believe what you just wrote above?
There is not much controversial about the idea that the texans are a talented team that is underachieving this year... Most people associated with the NFL would agree with that, just not the Texan fans in the middle of a temper tantrum.
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There is not much controversial about the idea that the texans are a talented team that is underachieving this year... Most people associated with the NFL would agree with that, just not the Texan fans in the middle of a temper tantrum.
Feel free to make a list of all the talent
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Some of us need to quit acting like this team is devoid of talent, because that isn't the case. Nor is it correct to say the team has enough talent to win a Super Bowl.

We're in that in-between stage that people can call it anything they like depending on which way the wind blows through the ears on their skull.
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How can you say we're a talentless team?

Duane Brown, Chris Myers, AJ, DeAndre (who has been off recently, but he's got talent), Foster on the offense.

DJ Swearinger, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson (don't say he's not a good #2, because he is), Danieal Manning, JJ Watt, Ninja, Cushing.

This is not a talentless team. It's a shallow team.
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Feel free to make a list of all the talent
Andre Johnson
DeAndre Hopkins
DeVier Posey
Arian Foster
Owen Daniels
Chris Myers
Duane Brown
Brandon Brooks
JJ Watt
Antonio Smith
Whitney Mercilus
Brian Cushing
Danieal Manning
DJ Swearinger
Johnathan Joseph
Kareem Jackson
Shane Lechler

That's not a bad core of young talent to go with the veterans. I didn't count rookies on IR this year like Trevardo or Bonner, but they could come in and contribute as well.

It's a farce to say the team doesn't have talent when a lot of it has been injured this year. There's also the fact that Schaub falling apart physically (not his choice, I imagine) is what hurt us the most early on.

A solid draft combined with a weak strength of schedule could send us back above .500.
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