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Old 12-05-2013   #181
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So how's that going? Is she top of the class or just barely hangin'?
Actually deans list pretty much. The typo on nursing school,lol.
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Actually deans list pretty much. The typo on nursing school,lol.
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Lets clarify some things for some of you.

Rebuilding - Having to dismantle the team and REBUILD the roster. Something that truly does not happen that often. But when it does the team regresses badly for quite some time. This is what we did when Gary FIRST got here. This is what the Jets and Jaguars are doing.

ReTOOLING - Having to make a few changes, MAYBE you change some coaches and bring in a new philosophy. This is a quick turnaround and will will not require a roster rebuild. We have NEVER done this, but its something a team does to jump start the "heart". The Chiefs and Eagles are the most recent examples.

NOW of those 2, which do you think we are?

Clearly we are just retooling. A new head coach, a defensive upgrade and some upgrades to our oline. (qb is for another discussion) We will bounce back in no time, AND the idea that it takes years to flip a team is garbage and the Falcons, Seattle and Eagles showed you that's garbage.
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The difference is I dont see Bridgewater in the class of Stafford. You see Bridgewater as a franchise QB, I dont. But I really like the back and forth conversation you are providing. Lots of respect for your hisorical perspective.

I here ya about kids and college. I've got a very bright (took after his mom) 19 yr old that is failing a class because he cant get out of bed and nake it to class by 8:00. (Frustration)
Well, just about every notable draft "expert" would disagree with you.

Let me guess, you believe we should build up the line and draft AJ McCarron?

So he can join the likes of all the other Pro Bowl SEC QBs (not including last name Manning) killing it in the NFL these days? Cam Newton and Stafford are all that's left and w/out Megatron I don't think Stafford would even be a .500 QB. McCarron will fail like all the rest. He should shoot to be a Matt Lionheart, and hope to ride the pine and chill in hot tubs w/ hookers, praying his name never gets called.

We can't continue spending first round picks on our line every year and wait for this mystic QB to come riding in on their stallion. He's no Andrew Luck, but the last one like that before him was Peyton Manning. With that said Peyton only won 1 Super Bowl and a lot of others have won them in the meantime. Teddy is the guy. I am just waiting for April so I can buy my Bridgewater Texans jersey.
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Prett obvious even this earl y in the process. Get the qb,fill in the other holes.
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I would like to see us take a LB, preferably Anthony Barr, with the first overall. Our tackling is atrocious and we can't cover a TE for anything, LB is the most desperate need.

I may be in the minority, but I'm content to give Keenum a second look next year. Keenum's essentially a rookie and has performed admirably amid multiple systems failure and a regime collapse. With a fresh HC, some hard work, and major oline improvements we could set him up for success and get a real look at what we're working with. Also, he would be cheap compared to a first overall pick or star veteran; this is important because we have a lot of positions to improve on and will need more cap space than we have.
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With this dreadful season comes high draft position with trade back possibilities also another small advantage is remaining League cuts the Texans have first choice may not help but could be a hidden value in the offseason.
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This season reminds me of similarities between the 2005-2006 season where we stuck with Carr for a few years (don't recall how many), drafted Mario Williams (DE), and hired a new HC in Kubiak.

With that being said I would do the following:

1.) Hire Lovie Smith (I want a proven HC and not some OC/DC being given the HC gig for the first time).

2.) Draft Clowney (not the biggest fan but him and JJ Watt can secure the line for years to come)

3.) ?????

4.) Win Super Bowl XLIX
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Lets clarify some things for some of you.

Rebuilding - Having to dismantle the team and REBUILD the roster. Something that truly does not happen that often. But when it does the team regresses badly for quite some time. This is what we did when Gary FIRST got here. This is what the Jets and Jaguars are doing.

ReTOOLING - Having to make a few changes, MAYBE you change some coaches and bring in a new philosophy. This is a quick turnaround and will will not require a roster rebuild. We have NEVER done this, but its something a team does to jump start the "heart". The Chiefs and Eagles are the most recent examples.

NOW of those 2, which do you think we are?

Clearly we are just retooling. A new head coach, a defensive upgrade and some upgrades to our oline. (qb is for another discussion) We will bounce back in no time, AND the idea that it takes years to flip a team is garbage and the Falcons, Seattle and Eagles showed you that's garbage.
Well said and I agree. I have long said that changing coaches would not be as scary as people think. If you take a hard look at this team, a lot of the pieces are there. It's just a matter of putting it all together.


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McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.
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McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.
This season made it clear that slow and steady was just another name for under-achievement and repeated failure. Even McNair could no longer convince himself otherwise.
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McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.
While that's a great idea, I don't know how possible it is. I haven't heard too many owners say, "We're rebuilding now."

On the offensive side, we're built for a Kubiak/Shanahan offense that's based primarily on the ZBS. After being used so much last year, I don't know how much tread is left on Arian's tires and I don't know if we keep Tate. I also don't think we have THE QB. So that means we're going to have to make moves across the line, at QB, and probably at RB.

On the defensive side, we're built for a penetrating 3-4/5-2. Our CBs are risky and the only good safety we have is Swearinger, who's scary in his immaturity. At LB, we've got Cushing who's questionable because of his health and then we've got a bunch of scrubs. On the DL, what we're going to do depends on the DC we get and his defense. If we go to 4, Mercilus and Reed will probably be asked to gain weight and drop down on to the line; if we go to an old-school 3-4, we've got to get an NT and then Watt and Smith become questions.

I think there's some talent on this team but the more I think about it, the more I'm worried that whoever we get to coach is going to have to get really creative to use it and will probably blow things up and start from scratch.
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whatever term you used to describe it, with a new head coach they will rebuild. To what degree is the question.
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A few weeks ago I was all for sorting the o line this season and nabbing our QB of the future next season.

With cases struggles, I'm taking a QB first and fixing holes after that.
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I would like to see us take a LB, preferably Anthony Barr, with the first overall. Our tackling is atrocious and we can't cover a TE for anything, LB is the most desperate need.

I may be in the minority, but I'm content to give Keenum a second look next year. Keenum's essentially a rookie and has performed admirably amid multiple systems failure and a regime collapse. With a fresh HC, some hard work, and major oline improvements we could set him up for success and get a real look at what we're working with. Also, he would be cheap compared to a first overall pick or star veteran; this is important because we have a lot of positions to improve on and will need more cap space than we have.
I am a UH Grad and went to and saw Keenum play MANY games while I was there. It should go without saying I am probably one of his biggest fans and die hard supporters.

With that said... He's gone 0-7. Regardless of how close he might have came all of those games, he's gone 0-7. That includes 3 games to the Jags and Raiders with a first time starting QB. Those teams are dumpster fires and if Case can't beat them after half a season, then I'm sorry, but QB is the most pressing position there is.

The Colts with ALL of their flaws (and everyone knows a 2-14 team has them) took at QB #1 and made the playoffs at 11-5 the next year with one major change... the #1 pick.
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This season reminds me of similarities between the 2005-2006 season where we stuck with Carr for a few years (don't recall how many), drafted Mario Williams (DE), and hired a new HC in Kubiak.

With that being said I would do the following:

1.) Hire Lovie Smith (I want a proven HC and not some OC/DC being given the HC gig for the first time).

2.) Draft Clowney (not the biggest fan but him and JJ Watt can secure the line for years to come)

3.) ?????

4.) Win Super Bowl XLIX
Take a look at what "The Game Changer" Clowney has done this year and then read a little bit about what NFL scouts have been saying about him and try to convince yourself he is the answer.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...deveon-clowney
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I am a UH Grad and went to and saw Keenum play MANY games while I was there. It should go without saying I am probably one of his biggest fans and die hard supporters.

With that said... He's gone 0-7. Regardless of how close he might have came all of those games, he's gone 0-7. That includes 3 games to the Jags and Raiders with a first time starting QB. Those teams are dumpster fires and if Case can't beat them after half a season, then I'm sorry, but QB is the most pressing position there is.

The Colts with ALL of their flaws (and everyone knows a 2-14 team has them) took at QB #1 and made the playoffs at 11-5 the next year with one major change... the #1 pick.
O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!
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O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!
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O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!
Keenum is not the answer.

He had a few nice spots in his first 3 games and looked like he was doing his part. He started off

57 of 102
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In his first 3 games.

Since then?
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Nobody was ready for him and nobody knew what to expect with him in the game. His first 3 games there was nothing to gameplan against but since then it has become painstakingly obvious that if you get pressure on him he will start to feel pressure that isn't there and break away from the pocket. There is no doubting he's exciting to watch, much moreso than Schaub but he is inconsistent and has some glaring weaknesses. He is kind of like doug flutie meets tony Romo.


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From what I've watched of Teddy Bridgewater...

He has more physical tools than David Garrard (referenced him due to his display of toughness,) and a mind for the game like Byron Leftwich. He has almost no NFL talent around him, except MAYBE his favorite receiver, #9. When they play big schools, he's shown he's belonged.

Is he a #1 pick?

If the Texans are holding that pick, they have no choice but to take him.
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