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Old 02-21-2014   #161
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Hey guys, what do you think about Derek Carr..
I think it's time we stopped castigating little brother with big brother's shortcomings. Watch this video... all the way through to the end...

Derek Carr: "I'll Outwork Anybody"

Now I don't want the Texans to draft him, one reason is fit... another is how he'd be treated here... but I don't know how you don't come away from that with some respect for the young man.

After he was interrupted by his Combine escort but politely asked to continue his story about his son and did so, Carr thanked everyone and left the podium to shake the hands of the reporters gathered there and thanked them for their questions. Number of others who have done that: 0. I wish him the best.
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Now I don't want the Texans to draft him, one reason is fit... another is how he'd be treated here... but I don't know how you don't come away from that with some respect for the young man.
I agree. The Texans could not sell another Carr to their fans. And don't want to go off on a David Carr bash session, but you can't watch that interview and not think that Derek is the kind of leader that David never was. I like his chances to make it in the NFL. Just not in Houston.
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I agree. The Texans could not sell another Carr to their fans. And don't want to go off on a David Carr bash session, but you can't watch that interview and not think that Derek is the kind of leader that David never was. I like his chances to make it in the NFL. Just not in Houston.
David said all of the right things as well. David looked and acted the part. Not saying that his brother might not be sincere or anything, but there is no way that Houston could draft another Carr. If it doesn't work out, I'd bail on the Texans for good. I couldn't sit through another Carr experiment if it didn't work out. I wouldn't want to have the constant reminders of David and seeing his face all over the news again and him hanging around the stadium. It would be like living through an awful nightmare all over again, and I feel that I've done that for 8 years of Gary Kubiak knowing Gary would be to stubborn to adapt every year. I don't like the fact that David is this kid's mentor most likely either. The backlash to drafting Carr would be bad from the start. The backlash if he struggled would be to much to bear for this fan base, and I'm apart of that I'll admit. You don't throw good money after bad. Carr is simply not an option here for Houston in my opinion.
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The Raiders are known for their unconventional picks, so Manziel might seem like a natural fit for them. Word is, though, that they liked Carr more coming out of the combine.
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didnt sources come out and say the same thing about the browns.
carr's stock rising and manziel falling. smokescreen perhaps??
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didnt sources come out and say the same thing about the browns.
carr's stock rising and manziel falling. smokescreen perhaps??
Could be. I think anytime you have an athlete/playmaker like Manziel, someone is bound to fall in love with him. He may be falling, or may not be, but someone will take their shot at him.
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didnt sources come out and say the same thing about the browns.
carr's stock rising and manziel falling. smokescreen perhaps??
I don't think any team is truly showing their hand at this point in the process, it's all a mind game to screw with teams and mess up their Big Boards. The Browns have more than one pick in this draft, and if they can get a QB at #4, putting out interest in lesser QBs may push them up someone else's board. That would then free up other players at #26 and #35. So yeah, it's probably a smokescreen.
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Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
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No way FO brings Carr into that situation, imo. Hard enough to succeed as it is.
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Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
I don't believe that's true.

A lot of what went wrong with David Carr were things the Texans did or didn't do for David Carr.

If they believe Derek can be a franchise QB & has the best ability to do so, I'm sure they will do what they need to to make him our QB. If that means taking him with the #1 overall, so be it.

If I were king & I thought he could be that guy one of the things I would do is restrict his families access to practice... no David Carr or his dad in the club house or on the field or anything more than what Jacoby's mom had.

I don't have a problem with players who put their family or religious beliefs before football. At the same time, this is more than just a job. We don't work on a 40 hr/wk schedule. We do what it takes to win.
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Sorry if this has been discussed, I went back three pages looking for Carr in topic tough.

Anyway, was just having a discussion with a fellow Raider fan about Derek Carr and the Houston Texans. That fan seems to think the Texans may go after Carr, but I and others replied that after David we doubt Bob would draft another Carr. I feel Derek would have to be Peytonesque in order to justify the Texans taking him. And I realize that Derek is not David, but how would you all feel about drafting Derek? Good idea, bad idea, McNair would be a total idiot, etc.?????
If we go non-QB at 1-1, I wouldn't be too surprised to see us go Carr at 2-1. I just don't see us drafting Carr in the top 10.

A part of what went wrong with the original Carr here was his family and his family orientation. This Carr shares that family and those values. For me, that's a huge red flag that this Carr is going to be a 9-5 type of guy just like his brother and if that's true, he's not O'Brien material.
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Backing up on Carr, the hope is it's just a bad stomach bug but they don't know for sure yet. Either way, he refused to cancel mtgs/workouts

Fresno QB Derek Carr vomited last night and went to the hospital for treatment and IVs, per source. But plans to go thru w pro day in full.
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I don't believe that's true.

A lot of what went wrong with David Carr were things the Texans did or didn't do for David Carr.

If they believe Derek can be a franchise QB & has the best ability to do so, I'm sure they will do what they need to to make him our QB. If that means taking him with the #1 overall, so be it.

If I were king & I thought he could be that guy one of the things I would do is restrict his families access to practice... no David Carr or his dad in the club house or on the field or anything more than what Jacoby's mom had.

I don't have a problem with players who put their family or religious beliefs before football. At the same time, this is more than just a job. We don't work on a 40 hr/wk schedule. We do what it takes to win.
Could the Texans have put David in a better situation and gotten more out of him? - sure. But David was never going to be a good NFL QB unless he changed himself, his priorities and his habits. He would ultimately have failed to be more than mediocre no matter what unless he changed him.

As an owner/GM I would have a huge problem with any player who wasn't willing to commit fully to the team for whatever reason. You don't get to say I want paid like a guy who is fully committed unless you are a guy who is fully committed.

On Derek I would have to be 100% convinced he is committed and would not simply be Carr Round 2. If he talks to the Texans he should be volunteering up (not waiting to be asked) - "I will not be like David was here. He and I both realize his mistakes and I will be at the facility longer than anyone, will be a student of the game, will not be standoffish with my teammates - I will bond with them and be a leader and my family will be nowhere near NRG except to watch games unless you extend a special invite to them." Only then would I consider him with ANY draft pick.
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If we go non-QB at 1-1, I wouldn't be too surprised to see us go Carr at 2-1. I just don't see us drafting Carr in the top 10.



A part of what went wrong with the original Carr here was his family and his family orientation. This Carr shares that family and those values. For me, that's a huge red flag that this Carr is going to be a 9-5 type of guy just like his brother and if that's true, he's not O'Brien material.

Good scenario. Say we go Clowney at #1, and Carr falls out of the first round. Would he be accepted by Texans fans if he was drafted at 2-1?


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2014 Pro Day: Despite nausea, Derek Carr "didn't have a bad throw"
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Carr's sterling performance is all the more impressive considering that he spent much of the morning in discomfort. According to a source close to the Bulldogs, Carr woke up vomiting this morning at 5 a.m. To replenish his fluids Carr was given an IV by Fresno's trainers. Despite being sick, Carr was adamant about competing.

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So earlier today it was reported that he had to check into the hospital for treatment.

Later, it was reported that he was treated by the Fresno St trainers.

Tomorrow it will probably come out that he wasn't sick at all...
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Among those in the audience were Vikings general manager Rick Spielman and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen, and Jaguars offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch.

Carr is considered among the top quarterbacks available in the May draft class and a candidate to be a first-round pick.

Carr was scheduled to meet with the Vikings and Raiders officials after Thursday's workouts, with more meetings scheduled with NFL scouts and officials in Fresno through the weekend.

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"Obviously, he was very impressive today," said Turner, whose Vikings have the eighth overall pick. "He came out and showed he has a strong arm, very accurate, he made all the throws. He had a heck of a workout."
It seems like Carr may be climbing back to where he was ranked before the bowl game let down. He was regarded as a top 5 pick by many in December and was the clear #2 behind Bridgewater with Manziel being a very distant 3rd (ranked 20th or lower).
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I'd be much happier with Carr in the 2nd than Bortles with 1.1. Seems like he might not make it to the 2nd though.
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McShay also labeled Carr the biggest risk of the quarterback group since people are mentioning him in the first-round. "I don't see it," McShay began. "60 percent of his throws within five yards of the line of scrimmage, struggles against pressure and that tape I watched against USC, that is not a quarterback, to me, that looks like a potential starter in the league."

It can be difficult to separate quarterbacks from systems, and Carr's inability to fire in the face of a pass rush has been well documented in the form of poor balance, but we still expect him to be, at worst, an early second-round pick.
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