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Old 11-22-2013   #21
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They need more goal line running plays than the handoff to the RB 9 yards deep in the backfield.
I'd love to see that, but I can't remember the last time we have needed a yard and got it with our O-Line. Short yardage runs IMO are probably our biggest weakness due to the line always losing the LOS battle. The only hope is Zone blocking stretch and that doesn't seem to work too well in short yardage situations, these guys can't muscle anyone for a yard.
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They need more goal line running plays than the handoff to the RB 9 yards deep in the backfield.
The ZBS (and our team specifically) has never been built for goal line stands.......and for the most part, unfortunately passing in those situations has been an afterthought for Kubiak.
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for a ZBS team we are AWFUL blocking in space. ZBS teams should be masters at second level blocking and should be elite screen teams since they should have better feet than power blocking types...but if you watch the games closely you will notice that we are an AWFUL screen team.
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for a ZBS team we are AWFUL blocking in space. ZBS teams should be masters at second level blocking and should be elite screen teams since they should have better feet than power blocking types...but if you watch the games closely you will notice that we are an AWFUL screen team.
I think we did all of the above really well back in 2011. I'm not sure what happened other than the losses of Winston and Brisiel
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Default Re: After watching the last 3 games over -- blocking

I think Foster masked a lot of inadequacies in the O-line.
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I think Foster masked a lot of inadequacies in the O-line.
Except Derek Newton. Foster couldn't work a miracle on that guy.

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Default Re: After watching the last 3 games over -- blocking

my issue with our screens is they take so long to develop. it's not just a screen, it's a play-action pump fake to one side screen to the other. by that time the defense has sniffed it out. the screen is supposed to expose the rush by turning their attack on the quarterback into a quick hit, not a 5 second slow developing play behind the line of scrimmage.
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Default Re: After watching the last 3 games over -- blocking

I don't think we're as bad as some bill us to be. Both Tate and Foster avg. 4.5 YPC this season and we rank 12th in the league in regards to YPG at 120 YPG. What I see as the problem (and this is nothing new) is that we get away from the running game. We don't consistently go to it late in games and when we do it is in bad situations. Instead of wearing down the D and making them pay for it later we get away from it rely on the pass too heavily and keep their defense fresh. It's always bothered me because Kubiak has always said, we need to stick to the running game because it opens up our offense. Well then, do it.

Passing, there simply is no excuse. It doesn't matter if the QB is under center or in shotgun a lineman's job is to block and buy time. Our O-line at times just looks lost. Not able to pick up the blitz. Head up, feet chopping, use peripheral vision if no one engages you immediately, move back in order to pick up anyone that comes your way. I've seen occasions where one of our guys goes to help another lineman and leaves his hole wide open. That's unacceptable. It shouldn't happen at all much less 4-5 a game. That's embarrassing and that is on the coaching. You're not going to stop every blitz, but our performance in pass blocking thus far is more to do with mental preparation than with talent. I would be more tolerant if our guys lost the battle, but that they don't even know where to be to engage the defenders just leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth.
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Default Re: After watching the last 3 games over -- blocking

I'm fine with the ZBS, but it's fundamentally disadvantaged in the red zone. Lighter, faster offensive linemen vs. a compressed defense where linebackers and DB's can support the defensive line. I thought Brandon Brooks would be a solution in one way, but I don't know what happened there.
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(on the problems in the second half of games recently) “Yeah, it’s something we’ve talked about. We’ve got a few ideas. I’m not going to share them with you, but I’m going to try something different. But we’ve struggled coming out offensively in the third quarter. We’ve struggled because I think we’ve struggled to run the ball consistently this year as a football team. Defensively, we’ve given up big plays in the third quarter. We’ll shuffle some things this week and try to do some things better, but we’ve got to play a complete football game.”

(on starting out slowly in the first quarter with turnovers) “Well, I know the last two weeks, we’ve basically spotted a team 21 points when you think about turnovers. The one in Arizona that led to a touchdown. So we’ve played form behind in a lot of football games this year. We have battled back and got our self in position to win in what the last four weeks. We’ve had the ball with a chance to win the football game, but haven’t finished.”
BTW, Kubiak will again be coaching from the heavens...........
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O-Line is the #1 reason for our free fall imo and we have been getting progressively worse here for years.

Alex Gibbs.
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O-Line is the #1 reason for our free fall imo and we have been getting progressively worse here for years.

Alex Gibbs.
yep, agree completely. I just typed the same in another thread. Both sides of the trenches need major upgrades to compliment Watt and Brown.

How Newton was seen as a viable RT is beyond my comprehension. Dude has been horrible regardless of who is behind center. He doesn't even look like a somewhat decent backup, much less a full time starter.
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Next year's draft should hire an OL as the #1 draft pick!
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They need more goal line running plays than the handoff to the RB 9 yards deep in the backfield.
I'd love to see them stack the line with 7 Offensive linemen, 1 TE, another offensive lineman as a FB & a RB. Snap the ball, run left, see Ben Tate hit a pile of ugly & push the line as hard as he can.

Then see Case in the back of the end zone on the right side holding the football doing Jacoby's dance.




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I'd love to see them stack the line with 7 Offensive linemen, 1 TE, another offensive lineman as a FB & a RB. Snap the ball, run left, see Ben Tate hit a pile of ugly & push the line as hard as he can.

Then see Case in the back of the end zone on the right side holding the football doing Jacoby's dance.




Who knows, Kubiak is saying that there will be changes in the Jags game that he is not going to be revealing at this time. I hope he put in a call to Art Briles to get some suggestions.
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O-Line is the #1 reason for our free fall imo and we have been getting progressively worse here for years.

Alex Gibbs.
I agree, but WTH happened!? We got the same exact guys from last season, the same coaches... yet they are so much worse!
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I agree, but WTH happened!? We got the same exact guys from last season, the same coaches... yet they are so much worse!

One thing about the OL that hasn't helped is that Newton was never given a chance to recover from his patella tendon surgery, Smith from his bone bruise, Brown from his ankle bone spurs and turf toe, and Brooks from his turf toe.
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One thing about the OL that hasn't helped is that Newton was never given a chance to recover from his patella tendon surgery, Smith from his bone bruise, Brown from his ankle bone spurs and turf toe, and Brooks from his turf toe.
Not to mention we peaked here shortly after Gibbs left. What he built was no more after 2011. Our Oline wasnt that good last year.
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