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Old 11-20-2013   #41
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They tried to fill a ned. Willis killed the sec and ran a 4.37 at 6'2 240lbs. HowThat's because they didn't take the best player. is that not high upside?. Just like passing dez bryant for kareem jackson. Or titans fans will remember dyson vs randy moss. The point is all these guys are boom or bust. Jayson smith and robert gallery were safe picks too. Joe thomas is great, but when was the last time the champ has had a great left tackle drafted that high? Ogdon and pace and that was 15 yrs ago.

Drafting this big kid from miami of ohio or deleware was very risky. Those guys coming from those small schools going top 10 is super duper risky,but look at the payoff. That's what its about. The best way to sustained success is by having a franchise qb,not a franchise left or right tackle. You have to have a qb who can beat andrew luck,big ben,peyton,brady, etc. If you don't,your team will be inconsistent in making the playoffs. Even if the qb needs a yr to develop, if he has franchise qb skills,you can't pass him for a rt or de.
Picking only the BPA is a recipe for disaster in the 1st few rounds, and I don't think any team really does this unless they are so stacked at all positions it doesn't matter. And, in this day and age, with all of the cap concerns, I don't think you'll see many stacked teams, if any. Seattle and SF may be the closest. All teams pick the BPA at a position of need. It's the only thing that makes sense. If your team is desperate for OLB's but the BPA is a WR and you are "stacked" at that position, do you get the WR or the BPA at OLB? I know there's a lot more to it than that and a lot of things can come into play, but basically teams, especially in the 1st 3 rds, will go for the BPA at a position of need. That's why Willis fell past #10.

Now, about the QB position. I personally don't see a QB in this class like Luck, Manning, Elway, etc... You may get lucky and find a Brady in the later rounds but I just don't see it yet. As for a small school QB to develop, the kid from Eastern Illinois may turn out to be pretty good. He's rated a 3rd rounder by NFLDraftScout.com right now but could be moving up draft boards. If he's there in the 3rd for the Texans, I have no problem with them taking him. If he moves into the 1st round talk, well I don't know yet. We still have to find out what Case can do. If Case shows bad in the last few games then QB could become a higher priority. And, the risk will go up on the pick. If the kid is there and he's the BPA at a position of need, take him!
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Picking only the BPA is a recipe for disaster in the 1st few rounds, and I don't think any team really does this unless they are so stacked at all positions it doesn't matter. And, in this day and age, with all of the cap concerns, I don't think you'll see many stacked teams, if any. Seattle and SF may be the closest. All teams pick the BPA at a position of need. It's the only thing that makes sense. If your team is desperate for OLB's but the BPA is a WR and you are "stacked" at that position, do you get the WR or the BPA at OLB? I know there's a lot more to it than that and a lot of things can come into play, but badsically teams, especially in the 1st 3 rds, will go for the BPA at a position of need. That's why Willis fell past #10.

Now, about the QB position. I personally don't see a QB in this class like Luck, Manning, Elway, etc... You may get lucky and find a Brady in the later rounds but I just don't see it yet. As for a small school QB to develop, the kid from Eastern Illinois may turn out to be pretty good. He's rated a 3rd rounder by NFLDraftScout.com right now but could be moving up draft boards. If he's there in the 3rd for the Texans, I have no problem with them taking him. If he moves into the 1st round talk, well I don't know yet. We still have to find out what Case can do. If Case shows bad in the last few games then QB could become a higher priority. And, the risk will go up on the pick. If the kid is there and he's the BPA at a position of need, take him!
The flaw in you're thinking which may or may not be like the texans is the reason the texans are sucking right now and have passed on elite talent. A draft board is stacked vertical and horizontal. As players come off the board, you slide the bar. You always take the best player availible. Passing on wilis who was the bpa because you needed a dt and they had demeco was a mistake. They could've played willis at wolb like derrick brooks. You always take the bpa on your board regardless of position. You never have enough high end football players.

Back to this qb discussion, you may not see a manning,elway,or a guy of that ilk. I'm as big of luck fan as anyone,but he's not on that level either. My question is, do you see flacco,eli,big ben,tanneyhill,kaepernick, type of talent? What I mean by that are guys with elith elite tools, who can play elite with coaching. I see a few of those guys and if you see one,you have to take him imo. Not only that, you have to take him early also. I see mariotta,boyd,hundley,and even manziel as guys with elite skills. Its possible,but its rare to find guys with elite skills at the qb position late in the draft. Late in the game, you need a guy with elite skills.
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Picking for need leads to reaching on some picks, but picking BPA that aligns with need is probably the best move.
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Picking for need leads to reaching on some picks, but picking BPA that aligns with need is probably the best move.
When your scouts do their job right,that's how it stacks up. When the patriot drafted mallett ,that was bpa. Kareem Jackson vs Dez Bryant wasn't even need vs bpa,that was just dumb.
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Picking only the BPA is a recipe for disaster in the 1st few rounds,
Now, imagine, if you will, what would the Texans roster look like if they had taken the BPA instead of reaching for a need.

Contrary to your arguments, the better teams more often go with the BPA and those teams that are not more often go with their biggest need.
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Now, imagine, if you will, what would the Texans roster look like if they had taken the BPA instead of reaching for a need.

Contrary to your arguments, the better teams more often go with the BPA and those teams that are not more often go with their biggest need.
Yep! Unless you have an elite qb and you're drafting high enough to take one is the only way you pass one. That probably don't happen because when yoi have an elite guy at qb, you're probably not drafting high unless that guy missed the yr with injury. Big ben,eli,and now flacco are getting their teams off the carpet and will be closer to .500 vs 4 wins.
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Thanks. This is what I was trying to say, and it's what most NFL teams do. Even the teams that are fairly well stacked have weaknesses that they will try to fill with BPA. How many think the Pats won't take a WR or TE within the 1st 2 rounds this coming draft?
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Now, imagine, if you will, what would the Texans roster look like if they had taken the BPA instead of reaching for a need.

Contrary to your arguments, the better teams more often go with the BPA and those teams that are not more often go with their biggest need.
The Texans had a pretty good roster 2 years ago with a lot of talent, whether you can admit it or not. Now, because of the cap, we've lost a lot of those players and unfortunately don't have the depth anymore to weather the injury bug. Is that the fault of coaches and/or the GM, ultimately yes, and they will probably pay with their jobs. But the team was built picking the BPA at a position of need. Of course, if a team has no needs, they will just pick the BPA. But, how many of those teams are out there?

Here's an example of how a good team goes with the BPA at a position of need:

Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl. They let Ed reed go and Ray Lewis retired. They need a Safety and a LBer. Guess what Ozzie (who's considered one of the best) the GM picks? Matt Elam, Safety from Florida, and, knowing the Texans were going to pick Arthur Brown, a LBer, at #57. They traded up to get him at #56. Now, was that picking for need or BPA?
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The Texans had a pretty good roster 2 years ago with a lot of talent, whether you can admit it or not. Now, because of the cap, we've lost a lot of those players and unfortunately don't have the depth anymore to weather the injury bug. Is that the fault of coaches and/or the GM, ultimately yes, and they will probably pay with their jobs. But the team was built picking the BPA at a position of need. Of course, if a team has no needs, they will just pick the BPA. But, how many of those teams are out there?

Here's an example of how a good team goes with the BPA at a position of need:

Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl. They let Ed reed go and Ray Lewis retired. They need a Safety and a LBer. Guess what Ozzie (who's considered one of the best) the GM picks? Matt Elam, Safety from Florida, and, knowing the Texans were going to pick Arthur Brown, a LBer, at #57. They traded up to get him at #56. Now, was that picking for need or BPA?
You're making a lot of assumptions with the whole deal. They signed huff, wouldn't that fill the need? They also signed smith and dumervill before the draft,so why wouldn't they pass on aurthur brown? Not to mention you have no earthly idea as to where brown was on the texans board. If the texans felt that great about brown,they could've moved up with that extra 3rd rd pick to get him.
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Elam and Brown were considered 1st-2nd round prospects, so they aligned with a need and were BPAs.
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The Texans had a pretty good roster 2 years ago with a lot of talent, whether you can admit it or not. Now, because of the cap, we've lost a lot of those players and unfortunately don't have the depth anymore to weather the injury bug. Is that the fault of coaches and/or the GM, ultimately yes, and they will probably pay with their jobs. But the team was built picking the BPA at a position of need. Of course, if a team has no needs, they will just pick the BPA. But, how many of those teams are out there?

Here's an example of how a good team goes with the BPA at a position of need:

Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl. They let Ed reed go and Ray Lewis retired. They need a Safety and a LBer. Guess what Ozzie (who's considered one of the best) the GM picks? Matt Elam, Safety from Florida, and, knowing the Texans were going to pick Arthur Brown, a LBer, at #57. They traded up to get him at #56. Now, was that picking for need or BPA?
Here is my best explanation of why the Texans are in the pickle they're in today and I do admit their best team was in 2011:

"With Kubiak on the hot seat after the 2010 season, Smubiak mortgaged the farm prior to the 2011 season. The BIG spending along with Peyton's broken neck, Jeff Fisher's departure and a favorable schedule enabled the Texans to be much improved. Starting with the 2012 season, payments for the 2011 mortgage loan became due. In order to pay the piper, the Texans had to make one to many trips to the Pawn Shop, along with refinancing the mortgage each year, just to meet their minimal financial obligations for each season since 2011. As a result their standard of living has declined significantly and Smubiak is about to lose the farm."

Picking for need or BPA? As you noted, Lewis retired, also Ellerbe was a FA so was Arthur Brown Need or BPA. Knowing Ozzie I suggest that Brown was likely the BPA on Ozzie's draft board, if Brown was not, I don't think Ozzie would have traded up to get him. Stories are abound how Ozzie stays true to his draft board. I think Ozzie traded up for BPA on his draft board that also filled a need.
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Yep! Unless you have an elite qb and you're drafting high enough to take one is the only way you pass one. That probably don't happen because when yoi have an elite guy at qb, you're probably not drafting high unless that guy missed the yr with injury. Big ben,eli,and now flacco are getting their teams off the carpet and will be closer to .500 vs 4 wins.
Agree with you on the elite QB thing. How ever this isn't an elite QB yr in the 2014 draft. The 2015 draft is an elite QB yr.

1 or maybe 2 QB's may become a Russell Wilson/Tony Romo type QB, but I while they are very good I dont consider them to be elite QB's.
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Agree with you on the elite QB thing. How ever this isn't an elite QB yr in the 2014 draft. The 2015 draft is an elite QB yr.

1 or maybe 2 QB's may become a Russell Wilson/Tony Romo type QB, but I while they are very good I dont consider them to be elite QB's.
There is 1 elite skilled qb next yr and that's winston. Unless you think the texans are gonna be a 2 win team again, how you gonna get him. After last season,people thought 2014 was the qb yr,now its moved to a thinner weaker 2015 qb class. Point is,any high draft pick is a gamble. As safe as matthews seem to be, robert gallery was just as safe. I don't recall a singular draft analyst proclaiming rivers,eli,and ben to be elite qb prospect in 04. No one said ben would be a top 5 type qb coming from miami of ohio. What ben did have were elite physical tools. Even prior to his heisman yr, nobody declared rg3 as a top 2 prospect at qb. Just because you don't see manning or luck doesn't mean you pass a high ceiling guy at qb early.
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There is 1 elite skilled qb next yr and that's winston. Unless you think the texans are gonna be a 2 win team again, how you gonna get him. After last season,people thought 2014 was the qb yr,now its moved to a thinner weaker 2015 qb class. Point is,any high draft pick is a gamble. As safe as matthews seem to be, robert gallery was just as safe. I don't recall a singular draft analyst proclaiming rivers,eli,and ben to be elite qb prospect in 04. No one said ben would be a top 5 type qb coming from miami of ohio. What ben did have were elite physical tools. Even prior to his heisman yr, nobody declared rg3 as a top 2 prospect at qb. Just because you don't see manning or luck doesn't mean you pass a high ceiling guy at qb early.
I see Winston/Petty/Hogan as better than any QB coming out in this yrs draft.

Apparently Accorsi saw Manning as a franchise QB since he took him at #1. A.J.Smith saw Rivers as though he was as good as Manning and had the ability to trade down and garner extra picks. The knocks on Roethlisberger was that he played against small school competition. (Same as Bridgewater somewhat) They all had the talent.

I see the Texans in the same spot as the Cardinals in that draft. They had the chance to pick Ben but went the safe route and took Fitzgerald.

Bridgewater is comparable to Big Ben in competition/potential. Talent wise Mettenberger is closest to Roethlisberger. IMHO Where do you rank Mettenberger?
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I see Winston/Petty/Hogan as better than any QB coming out in this yrs draft.

Apparently Accorsi saw Manning as a franchise QB since he took him at #1. A.J.Smith saw Rivers as though he was as good as Manning and had the ability to trade down and garner extra picks. The knocks on Roethlisberger was that he played against small school competition. (Same as Bridgewater somewhat) They all had the talent.

I see the Texans in the same spot as the Cardinals in that draft. They had the chance to pick Ben but went the safe route and took Fitzgerald.

Bridgewater is comparable to Big Ben in competition/potential. Talent wise Mettenberger
is closest to Roethlisberger. IMHO Where do you rank Mettenberger?
I try to like mettenberger,but his inconsistencies always crop back into it. If I were to line it up after bridgewater and base it on talent,I would probably have boyd/manziel splitting hairs followed by mariotta,hundley,murray. I can't lie,manziel is probably the most difficult qb for me to get a read on. I would put metternberger tie him with mccarron. I think those guys are in the barkley class of qb.

Winston is not a better talent than bridgewater and hogan is not close to the talent of more than a few guys imo. Haven't seen enough of petty yet. I remember coming into this year falas was suppose to be the small school qb everyone loved and that didn't last long. Derek Carr is worse than his brother talent wise.I think with minny,jax,clev,all looking for signal callers,the texans can't move to far before they miss the big talent guy. If you held my feet to the fire and they were drafting 4th or 5th, I might just take boyd.

Why? He has a lot of mcnabb and cutler both good and bad. He's built like a tank,can throw the ball from multiple angles and he can run. He will throw a ground ball,but that's mostly mechanical. I can tell by his ball handling he probaly has 10" hands. He's probably gonna measure in at 6'0 maybe 6'1,but he's about 220 and rocked up. People will point to the fsu game and he didn't play well,but I'm looking at his body of work and upside.
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There is 1 elite skilled qb next yr and that's winston. Unless you think the texans are gonna be a 2 win team again, how you gonna get him. After last season,people thought 2014 was the qb yr,now its moved to a thinner weaker 2015 qb class. Point is,any high draft pick is a gamble. As safe as matthews seem to be, robert gallery was just as safe. I don't recall a singular draft analyst proclaiming rivers,eli,and ben to be elite qb prospect in 04. No one said ben would be a top 5 type qb coming from miami of ohio. What ben did have were elite physical tools. Even prior to his heisman yr, nobody declared rg3 as a top 2 prospect at qb. Just because you don't see manning or luck doesn't mean you pass a high ceiling guy at qb early.
Eric Winston said that Gallery's main issue was he had small feet . We need Al Bundy as a scout I guess .
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Eric Winston said that Gallery's main issue was he had small feet . We need Al Bundy as a scout I guess .
Most people questioned his toughness. He would block a guy,but wouldn't put the guy on the ground when he had the chance.
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Most people questioned his toughness. He would block a guy,but wouldn't put the guy on the ground when he had the chance.
I think Gallery used his size to work an opponent rather than skills to dominate. I think that is part of Derek Newton's problem also.
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Gallery is a flashback. Remember I was enamored with his pan cackling ends & wide body insulation to a QB (finding tackle help 4 Carr was big need back then too) which drives home importance of identifying BPA despite immediate need.
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Gallery is a flashback. Remember I was enamored with his pan cackling ends & wide body insulation to a QB (finding tackle help 4 Carr was big need back then too) which drives home importance of identifying BPA despite immediate need.
Yep. Always take bpa. Now in the perfect world,bpa will fill a need also. I can't remember who,but I asked if Mike Evans is the highest rated player at 5,do you take him? My answer is yes and it has 0 to do with trying to trade andre,its just bpa. For all the crap millen took and he deserves it,he still took megatron despite taking roy williams and mike williams in previous drafts.
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