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Old 11-19-2013   #21
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The biggest knock against McCarron seems to be he does well behind a great Oline so why not put him behind a great Oline in Houston. Brown, Quess, Myers/Jones, Brooks and Matthews. We want to build the line for Keenum anyway so McCarron would seem to be a perfect fit. My only concern is using that pick elsewhere.
Even behind that line, he's still just been a game manager his entire career. I can only recall one game during his tenure where he put the game on his shoulders and won it. That was the A&M game this year and, with their defense, that's not exactly impressive.
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Except that is basically the same thing as saying he needs a good team around him to win (or at least he wins when there is a very good team around him). He's never been challenged in the way Manziel or Mariota or even Morris and Mettenberger have.
Still if GM puts decent team around him and he is coached up, I am willing to wait to see if he can stand up to challenge. Identify anything else wrong with him that rules him out as a NFL QB.
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Even behind that line, he's still just been a game manager his entire career. I can only recall one game during his tenure where he put the game on his shoulders and won it. That was the A&M game this year and, with their defense, that's not exactly impressive.
There is only one QB in this draft that can "put game on his shoulders" and that is Manziel. He is not the QB I want so that leaves me comparing QBs to McCarron who as of now, we could get in late second. Other than Bridgewate, I take him over every other one. Murray is right there. AJ may not have taken it on his shoulders but he did not piss it away either.
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BL, I like most of the positions you drafted and about 3 or 4 of the players. Can't argue with Matthews in the 1st. They have to do something about that right side and Newton isn't cutting it. We do have Quiz and Brennan Williams on IR so I'm sure between Matthews and those 2 they should be able to find their RT and maybe their LG.

Not sure about Sutton in the 2nd. I'm still holding out for a bigger NT like maybe Hageman, if he's still there, or Jones from Penn St. Sutton seems like Mitchell or T. McClain part 2. Just hope who ever the DC is next year will be inclined to go that direction. You can see what it does for teams like KC with Poe or Carolina with Lotulelei. And, it may help Cush stay healthy for a season.

McCarron in the 3rd I'm not really sold on either but it may be a good value. To be honest I'm not really sold on any of the QB's in this draft, so I could live with McCarron I guess. Just not excited about him and wouldn't mind waiting on another QB later and maybe pick up a CB/S here. I know there's a lot of questions moving forward with this team and who the coaches will be next season, but I really think Keenum can be the QB of this team and I hope they will give him a chance.

Lynch in the 4th would be a good replacement for OD who should be gone next season. If the Fiedorowicz kid is still there I'd rather they get him.

Dyer in the 5th I don't know much about but could be a good replacement for Tate.

Borland in the 6th would be great but I don't know if he lasts this long. They may have to take him earlier, but I think he would be a great fit for the LB corps. He's a little undersized (5'11") but a big time run stuffer.

Not sold on taking an OG in the 7th. Whoever you get here will probably not be as good as Ben Jones or Quiz. This spot could be used for a Special Teams player like a quick "scat back" type RB, or maybe another Safety or LBer.

Overall it looks like a good draft and I wouldn't be unhappy with the pickups. Like you said, there's too many holes to fill in one draft, but I think you got most of them.
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You hit on something I want to expound on & those are roster holes that require immediate help. These are all Seniors well seasoned & coach'ed all way down list, maybe not the highest ceilings but focusing on safe, immediate ability to contribute, high character/leadership people. We also must consider some free agent moves to address needs prior to draft that will influence exactly who they target. OT, DT, QB, TE, RB, ILB, OG seems like a resonable hiarchey of needs.
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Thanks for your feedback!

You hit on something I want to expound on & those are roster holes that require immediate help. These are all Seniors well seasoned & coach'ed all way down list, maybe not the highest ceilings but focusing on safe, immediate ability to contribute, high character/leadership people. We also must consider some free agent moves to address needs prior to draft that will influence exactly who they target. OT, DT, QB, TE, RB, ILB, OG seems like a resonable hiarchey of needs.
I agree with this as we need to hit solidly on each of first four rounds with minimal risk. Another reason I don't want Manziel who is high reward but very high risk. I almost can put Clowney there also though many will disagree.
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bolded are my concerns. mind you I really like mosley and am probably a little be biased. along with the terrible play of our current linebackers I'm perhaps overreacting when it comes drafting a ILB early
I've already had Mack in 1st & Mosley is even safer pick, but flash back last year, you'll see my Texan 1st rd. projection was Alec Ogletree. Now Texans have chance to add bookend OT or franchise QB.
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I agree with this as we need to hit solidly on each of first four rounds with minimal risk. Another reason I don't want Manziel who is high reward but very high risk. I almost can put Clowney there also though many will disagree.
I don't disagree. I don't want anything to do with Clowney and I hope whoever the GM and coaches are next season do not pick him! The high risk and high reward tag that Manziel has is different from Clowney's. Manziel won't quit on his team and only play when he wants too. Sure Clowney has tons of talent, but what good does it do the team if he doesn't feel like playing! People here dogged Mario for only showing up sometimes but I don't think Mario ever quit on his team in college and I don't think he ever quit on the Texans while he was playing here. If it were up to me I'd pass on Clowney and Manziel. The risk is too great for either one.
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Remove McCarron, add in an OLB or CB in the 3rd and I'm happy.
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There is only one QB in this draft that can "put game on his shoulders" and that is Manziel. He is not the QB I want so that leaves me comparing QBs to McCarron who as of now, we could get in late second. Other than Bridgewate, I take him over every other one. Murray is right there. AJ may not have taken it on his shoulders but he did not piss it away either.
Manziel is the only QB that you think can drag his team to a win, therefore you don't want him.

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Even behind that line, he's still just been a game manager his entire career. I can only recall one game during his tenure where he put the game on his shoulders and won it. That was the A&M game this year and, with their defense, that's not exactly impressive.
The SEC Championship game last year.
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The SEC Championship game last year.
He threw for 162 with 1 TD and 1 INT. He had a QBR of 37.5 in that game.

Lacy and Yeldon combined for 330+ rushing yards and 3 TD's. Not to mention roughly half of his passing yards were YAC by Amari Cooper. McCarron had as much to do with that win as I did.
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He threw for 162 with 1 TD and 1 INT. He had a QBR of 37.5 in that game.

Lacy and Yeldon combined for 330+ rushing yards and 3 TD's. Not to mention roughly half of his passing yards were YAC by Amari Cooper. McCarron had as much to do with that win as I did.
Were they not down late in 4th Quarter and McCarron engineered a comeback? or am I thinking of another game?
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Were they not down late in 4th Quarter and McCarron engineered a comeback? or am I thinking of another game?
If running the ball down the field and then hitting a wide open playaction pass for a TD is putting the team on your shoulders then sure count it.
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If running the ball down the field and then hitting a wide open playaction pass for a TD is putting the team on your shoulders then sure count it.
I guess we have a different outlook and opinion. I consider throwing a 45 yd TD pass with 3 minutes left in SEC Championship game against a very good Georgia defense, a pretty big deal. To me that is one of the most important factors in evaluating a QB, how they perform late in the game coming from behind or engineering a game winning drive. Most guys are app to throw the INT.
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I guess we have a different outlook and opinion. I consider throwing a 45 yd TD pass with 3 minutes left in SEC Championship game against a very good Georgia defense, a pretty big deal. To me that is one of the most important factors in evaluating a QB, how they perform late in the game coming from behind or engineering a game winning drive. Most guys are app to throw the INT.
That's true and it's a good point. I was merely pointing out that he was a non-factor in the game until that final TD pass. Maybe if they have a different QB it's a blowout because with the way they were running the ball it should have been.
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Yall remember when aaron curry was the safe pick? How many safe millionaires are there in the world? Safe is another word for scared. You can try to be safe and the guy will still be a bust. Gronk nor hernandez were safe picks. Jimmy Graham, dez bryant, nor gates were safe picks. If you want to not draftbs guy because he was a trouble maker, ok. You shouldnt br scared of a playrr brcause he hss s giant upside.
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Last year's SEC championship game is remembered more for being TJ Yeldon's coming out party than McCarron putting the team on his shoulders.
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Yall remember when aaron curry was the safe pick? How many safe millionaires are there in the world? Safe is another word for scared. You can try to be safe and the guy will still be a bust. Gronk nor hernandez were safe picks. Jimmy Graham, dez bryant, nor gates were safe picks. If you want to not draftbs guy because he was a trouble maker, ok. You shouldnt br scared of a playrr brcause he hss s giant upside.
Well, I remember a draft when the Texans picked a 19 year old DT with a lot of upside but somewhat of a high risk, and passed on a LBer named Willis. This MB never let them hear the end of it! So, your damned if you do and damned if you don't! I'd rather they take Matthews or someone like him who is a solid prospect that has some upside rather than take a Manziel or Clowney who have more upside but far more risk.
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Well, I remember a draft when the Texans picked a 19 year old DT with a lot of upside but somewhat of a high risk, and passed on a LBer named Willis. This MB never let them hear the end of it! So, your damned if you do and damned if you don't! I'd rather they take Matthews or someone like him who is a solid prospect that has some upside rather than take a Manziel or Clowney who have more upside but far more risk.


That's because they didn't take the best player. They tried to fill a ned. Willis killed the sec and ran a 4.37 at 6'2 240lbs. How is that not high upside?. Just like passing dez bryant for kareem jackson. Or titans fans will remember dyson vs randy moss. The point is all these guys are boom or bust. Jayson smith and robert gallery were safe picks too. Joe thomas is great, but when was the last time the champ has had a great left tackle drafted that high? Ogdon and pace and that was 15 yrs ago.

Drafting this big kid from miami of ohio or deleware was very risky. Those guys coming from those small schools going top 10 is super duper risky,but look at the payoff. That's what its about. The best way to sustained success is by having a franchise qb,not a franchise left or right tackle. You have to have a qb who can beat andrew luck,big ben,peyton,brady, etc. If you don't,your team will be inconsistent in making the playoffs. Even if the qb needs a yr to develop, if he has franchise qb skills,you can't pass him for a rt or de.
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That's because they didn't take the best player. They tried to fill a ned. Willis killed the sec and ran a 4.37 at 6'2 240lbs. How is that not high upside?. Just like passing dez bryant for kareem jackson. Or titans fans will remember dyson vs randy moss. The point is all these guys are boom or bust. Jayson smith and robert gallery were safe picks too. Joe thomas is great, but when was the last time the champ has had a great left tackle drafted that high? Ogdon and pace and that was 15 yrs ago.

Drafting this big kid from miami of ohio or deleware was very risky. Those guys coming from those small schools going top 10 is super duper risky,but look at the payoff. That's what its about. The best way to sustained success is by having a franchise qb,not a franchise left or right tackle. You have to have a qb who can beat andrew luck,big ben,peyton,brady, etc. If you don't,your team will be inconsistent in making the playoffs. Even if the qb needs a yr to develop, if he has franchise qb skills,you can't pass him for a rt or de.
Good stuff, always enjoyed your draft approach & just pure scouting in general!

Safe was not the correct choice of words, more like just don't F it up, measure risk vs reward & make best buisness decision. Matthews fits perfectly, Sutton could be a very physical DE & kick inside. McCarron would be a good back-up, hard to judge upside? Question arm strength, mobility & athletic ability but he looks really strong @ times. Lynch is a perfect system fit but what if all that changes? Dyer is a bell cow back, very important addition. Borland will find a way to start. OG depth always good.
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