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Old 11-18-2013   #181
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First of all, it was double coverage. Second, I did not think it was a good decision and likely not a good throw. I'm not one of the fans pretending like the 8 losses are the result of a single player.

I'm just pointing out the obvious- on 4th down, with a chance to win the game, AJ quit on the play... That is what happened. Clearly, he is frustrated with the season. I get it. However, he allowed the frustration to diminish effort. As a fan, lack of focus and physical effort are the things I have the least tolerance for. I already know that Schaub's limited mobility and marginal arm are hurdles the team has to overcome in the redzone. The difference, however, is that he has no contol over those things. Effort is entirely within the control of each player on the field and on a couple plays today, AJ lacked effort when it mattered.
Granted Andre was wide open on the play before that but Schaub didn't see him.
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This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.
I would have told you this 4 years ago and when he had the best offensive line in football to shield him. Kubiak played a part in shielding him as well as AJ and Foster. Put Schaub out there with pressure he is and has always been the worst mentally under pressure situations. Jump AJ save me and make my pass look decent at least lol what a joke. Fickle fans... try 2-8 and 11 years of BS. Super bowl? Why even say it when you can't get to a Afc championship game. This year cant even make the playoffs and you talking about fickle fans GTFO.
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That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!
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That's the message sent to Kubiak by the players. You go from one qb to another because of favoritism not because you felt he was better for the situation/playcalling that's just not what winning organizations do so since it isn't about that the receivers decided to play limited like the quarterback that got subbed in. I quite frankly believe running the full routes and not being seen so many times for games just has those receivers so frustrated their attitude with Schaub in is... F it!
I watched Matt warm up in the Colts game in the 2nd quarter . This after Keenum lit it up and at that time I thought this dude has no clue . What he had was a wink from Kubiak that Case was temporary . Case has 8 td passes and Matt has 8 TD passes ( 12 if you count the other teams Tds ) and Matt's been in more games .
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AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.
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AJ isnt going anywhere. We always upped the ante financially when we feels underpaid and just because we have some turmoil doesnt mean AJ wants to leave or that we should deal AJ. We are in the business of winning games and AJ is going to be a huge part of that.

I think that AJ has proven he still has a few solid years left in him even after half of Houston left him for dead during the 2011 season. AJ is going to be a big part of what this franchise's next coaching regime does. End of thread.
In the business of winning what?
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AJ will ask for a trade.

Watt will do the same.

Kubiak and Matt will still be here next year.

Houston sucks for football, has since Bum left ...
Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.
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In the business of winning what?
lol - just in the business of it. Didnt say we were accomplishing anything!
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When did you see him sulking on the sidelines?
If "sulking" is too hard a word for you, we can go with any of the other synonyms, including but not limited to: brooding, cheerless, crabby, depressed, dismal, dour, fretful, frowning, gloomy, glum, gruff, grumpy, ill-humored, irritable, mean, moody, moping, morose, obstinate, ornery, pouting, pouty, sour, sourpussed, sulking, withdrawn.

A buddy of mine (a former Schaub guy, btw) has been at the last two home games (Colts, Raiders) and texted me throughout both. Schaub does not get involved with the QB meetings on the sideline when they are looking at overhead pictures and making adjustments. It has really bothered him because he thought Schaub was not like this, which really reminded him of the way Warren Moon used to sort of sulk by himself instead of being a leader.

Schaub is a grown assed man who has been a leader of this team for years. The message he has been sending with body language and pouty attitude speaks volumes about his mindset.

For instance, take a guy like Kurt Warner, who was a much better QB than Schaub and had much greater success. Even when he was a backup with the Giants and Cardinals, he was always involved in helping to develop the younger QBs ahead of him. He was a true team player and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight of the game with other QBs.

Then look at Schaub, off by himself, grim look on his face, and it's hard not to form a less-than-favorable opinion of him as a player.

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If AJ quit it was because the ball shouldn't have been thrown to him . It's at the 4:04 mark . he was in the slot at the inside of the T and the ball ended up at the E in Texans , with a lot of Raiders around .

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201311...enu=highlights
My immediate thought when I saw that pass was "WTF? Why was Schaub trying to force that pass??" Seemed like he was trying to prove a point instead of win the game.

That, or he just locked on a receiver and never saw anyone else open.

Either way, not a good look for a pro QB.

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What I saw in the AJ play is a throw into triple coverage in which one defender stepped in front of AJs route. I don't see what AJ could have done differently, except maybe get absolutely smashed and still not catch the ball.
yep. I honestly don't think AJ thought the ball would come his way with so many defenders right next to him. When there are 2-3 defenders on one receiver, surely there are other opportunities out there to be made by other receivers.

Not to write an excuse for AJ, but I think it was less 'quit' than it was assumption that nobody would be stupid enough to try that pass. JMO.

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on that last play Hopkins and Garrett were wide OPEN
That's what I was wondering about. Thanks for mentioning it.

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Ted Johnson was saying that Andre was upset that Schaub locked in on him and forced the ball to him. He was saying that Schaub should have gone somewhere else with the ball. He ended to route early because he saw it wasn't there (likely to try to get open if Schaub miraculously bought some time).
Pretty much confirms my gut reaction when it happened.

On one hand, he's had a rookie QB make some great passes that allowed AJ to show that he's still got it. Spectacular catches. Inspired. Things of beauty.

Then he sees a seasoned veteran, someone he's played with for years, try to force a pass to the worst possible spot in multiple coverage.

AJ walked off the field. I turned off the TV. We probably both thought the same thing: what a freakin' waste of time.
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The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.
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If "sulking" ...
I haven't seen people complaining about Keenum wearing his helmet standing by himself yesterday. Hmmm. Maybe neither one is sulking.

People have not Schaub's gomer pyle/droopy dog demeanor for as long as he has been here. It didn't become sulking over night or at least it shouldn't.

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Well that is odd because I would have said exactly the opposite. Schaub notably stayed away the first start Keenum got. Said at the time that was the right move. He has increasingly been talking to Keenum and the QB coach, pointing at the overheads, etc. since then.

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Well barring some better indication I will trust Keenum's own statements that Schaub has been very involved and helpful.
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The last thing this team and fanbase needs is isolating Andre Johnson. The guy is more hungry for winning than anyone else, and he's put up with a lot of crap over the years.
I think his tweet was including the entire WR corps, not just AJ.
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lol - just in the business of it. Didnt say we were accomplishing anything!
Lol I hope things change next year.
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This summarizes the absurdity and obnoxiousness of all the petulant and fickle fans.

"Matt Schaub mentally the worst QB in NFL history"? Wow! really? I guess his wins, the probowls, etc... are the result of his dependence on his special athletic and physical tools. Yeah, that must be it.
schaub was at the right place at the right time.

most (if not all) nfl qb's could have achieved what he accomplished prior to the league catching on to kubiak's scheme and the strong talent around him.

once both of those factors deteriorated, the real schaub stood up. coincidentally it happened right around the time boy genius rick smith handed him that ludicrous contract extension.

and probowls are nothing to hang your hat on... for god's sake, wade smith was a probowler last year, and by all accounts he sucked (and continues to suck).
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Step off the ledge..

AJ will not ask for a trade

Neither will Watt

Kubiak and Matt won't be here next season.. so embrace that, they're both already packing

Houston doesn't suck for football.. we just need new direction, the Saints even became a respectable team so it can happen here.

I'm tired of all of these.. "Watt's going to leave/woe is us" threads. Suck it up. Yes we suck, but that doesn't mean we'll always suck, sucking now will bring about change. Just sit back and watch the show.. and the show is called "how many different ways can Kubiak **** can himself" It's quite entertaining.
that's not enough... rick smith HAS to go as well.
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Matt Schaub mentally is the worst qb in nfl history... yes that includes David Carr. Kubiak is the stupidest coach in nfl history.
Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.
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Andre knows it is a waste of time to argue with a crazy person.
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Everyone's dissapointed with this season, but joining the forum just post silly hyperbole adds no value to the discussion.
As far as extending the play... Schaub's mental lapses under pressure combined with his scared thoughts of being hit or just plain failing is the worst I've ever seen. Name someone worst in that one category... don't sit up here and think I'm just posting to post and talk meaningless trash. Think about this regarding to Matt Schaub as a qb. This is his first year where his line was average to below average and nfl defenses forced him to extend plays 8 out of 10 times... now you can see plain as day what Matt Schaub is and always was. As far as Kubiak goes there needs to be no explanation.
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