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Old 11-17-2013   #21
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I gotta throw in the the O-line has SUCKED all year. Also, Keenum, while I'm rooting for him, is not dealing with the blitz well at all and that's why they keep doing it excessively against him (that, & the O-line is a freaking turnstyle). He can't hit the hot receiver on the short route accurately, & I think he doesn't see him soon enough either. This is something he might improve on a lot in the future....or not....I don't know.

Schaub does that far better than Keenum, but we all know he isn't the answer.

We might need a NEW QB, along with a heart and a head coach.

I'm going to find the pink soap, or blue, or whatever.
It's pretty bad when that post is the only one that even attempts to give a legitimate answer as to why they don't do well against the blitz. Keenum's inability to find the hot receiver is the reason why opposing defenses are pinning their ears back. Schaub is done, and I love Keenum, and his ability to extend plays. I do think he's the QB that will take us places, but he's got plenty more learning to do.
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I honestly hate to say this, but I think Gary set up Case to
fail to bring in Schaub.. Really, some of those play calls were
just head scratchers.

After 3 weeks this offensive coaching staff hasn't created
any plays to beat a blitz with keenum and all of his athleticism?

I just don't see it. Keenum was nails with RB and WR screens in
college -- has he forgotten how to throw them in the pros?
(I sure doubt it..)

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I honestly hate to say this, but I think Gary set up Case to
fail to bring in Schaub.. Really, some of those play calls were
just head scratchers.

After 3 weeks this offensive coaching staff hasn't created
any plays to beat a blitz with keenum and all of his athleticism?

I just don't see it. Keenum was nails with RB and WR screens in
college -- has he forgotten how to throw them in the pros?
(I sure doubt it..)

TJ
this team had trouble picking up blitzes last year so it's def not on the qb.

we used to talk about teams blitzing the **** out of schaub and people were content it was on schaub. now it's the same problem with a more athletic qb.

use the blitzes to your advantage. quick slants/screens whatever.

5-7 step drop plays that need time to develop with a ****ty o-line is a recipe for disaster no matter who the qb is.
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this team had trouble picking up blitzes last year so it's def not on the qb.

we used to talk about teams blitzing the **** out of schaub and people were content it was on schaub. now it's the same problem with a more athletic qb.

use the blitzes to your advantage. quick slants/screens whatever.

5-7 step drop plays that need time to develop with a ****ty o-line is a recipe for disaster no matter who the qb is.
Exactly. So he's saying Gary knows this and he continually calls plays that have a high percentage of failure so that Case looks bad and he can put Schaub back in.
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Default Re: Can somebody please explain to me...can't pick up a blitz

Keenum threw a slant at KC that Posey took almost to the end zone.
I have not seen that play called again.. (and KC was a better defense
than any team they have faced since..)

I honestly think Gary sacked Case on purpose. I am not a conspiracy
guy, but at this point -- it's the only thing I can come up with..

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this team had trouble picking up blitzes last year so it's def not on the qb.

we used to talk about teams blitzing the **** out of schaub and people were content it was on schaub. now it's the same problem with a more athletic qb.

use the blitzes to your advantage. quick slants/screens whatever.

5-7 step drop plays that need time to develop with a ****ty o-line is a recipe for disaster no matter who the qb is.
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Exactly. So he's saying Gary knows this and he continually calls plays that have a high percentage of failure so that Case looks bad and he can put Schaub back in.
if gary would call the same dumb plays for schaub with no adjustment i'm sure it's probably not a sabotage on gary's behalf.

it's just gary is not very smart at that aspect of the game.
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Did the last 3 weeks make this board lose its collective memory about Schaub's response to blitzes?

Also the Raiders didn't blitz Schaub, there was absolutely no need, he's simply not good enough to win.
it actually works the other way around......teams usually dont blitz the hell out of the good to elite qbs b/c they'll make them pay...look no further than the 2 patriots games and the gb game last year where wade continued to try to blitz Rodgers and Brady...we got surgically disected...

Conversly, young inexperienced qbs, and just flat out bad qbs they tend to blitz more. They didnt blitz Schaub too much b/c Schaub knows how to deal with that relatively well under normal down and distance situations....he tends to stink it up when the down and distance is not normal..plus they can get to him without blitzing too much b/c he doesnt move all that well....especially with the garbage we call an o-line.
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Keenum threw a slant at KC that Posey took almost to the end zone.
I have not seen that play called again.. (and KC was a better defense
than any team they have faced since..)

I honestly think Gary sacked Case on purpose. I am not a conspiracy
guy, but at this point -- it's the only thing I can come up with..


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Do people really believe the bolded?
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I didn't, until the 3rd Q today..

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I didn't, until the 3rd Q today..
Same here.
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Right, cause Kubes doesn't wanna keep his job, just his boyfriend QB. Your livelihood is so overrated.
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Right, cause Kubes doesn't wanna keep his job, just his boyfriend QB. Your livelihood is so overrated.
its not that hard to think he wanted schaub to come in and "save the day".....case wasnt playing anywhere close to bad enough to be pulled and his b/s excuse of changing schemes and he didnt think case would be able to handle it..... hes an idiot
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On Keenum's INT Wade Smith got blown up and his man hit Keenum pretty much as he was throwing.

On one sack Brooks blew his assignment - Brooks didn't block anyone , shifted to the other side of the line away from the pressure.

On the other sack , Newton & Tate both missed assignments - Newton took the inside guy , Tate didn't block anyone tho his assignment should have been the inside guy and Newton the widest defender.

There were numerous other blown blocking assignments and other instances of guys getting beat - Particularly Newton.


Doesn't matter who the QB is when mistakes like that are made by the linemen ...

Good post...the other thing people arent taking into account is that lots of times on blitzes, the qb is responsible for a guy as well in the sense that u know you dont have enough guys kept back in for protection so you as the qb have to make sure you get the ball out and you slide away from that guy who's gonna be coming in free...

.its a collective effort by everyone the line, coach and qb...all 3 fail at various times throughout the game.
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I gotta throw in the the O-line has SUCKED all year. Also, Keenum, while I'm rooting for him, is not dealing with the blitz well at all and that's why they keep doing it excessively against him (that, & the O-line is a freaking turnstyle). He can't hit the hot receiver on the short route accurately, & I think he doesn't see him soon enough either. This is something he might improve on a lot in the future....or not....I don't know.

Schaub does that far better than Keenum, but we all know he isn't the answer.

We might need a NEW QB, along with a heart and a head coach.

I'm going to find the pink soap, or blue, or whatever.
Yeah, pft. Case has done a good job improving,but his blitz recog has been bad and that's why dcs keep doing it. Most of it is inexperience. I would've let him stay in and figure it out,but we know gary is gutless right now. I've said we need a qb but case deserves the right. To compete for the spot next yr imo.
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its not that hard to think he wanted schaub to come in and "save the day".....case wasnt playing anywhere close to bad enough to be pulled and his b/s excuse of changing schemes and he didnt think case would be able to handle it..... hes an idiot
Case Keenum QBR = 73.3
Matt Schaub QBR = 67.9

Nothing peachy either way, but you're right. Like I've said all along, Case simply needs to just settle down instead of waiting for the long ball to develop (when he has an O-Line and good play calls, that is). Otherwise, no, he did nothing deserved to be pulled. It was a chickensh!it move by Kubiak t save his own bacon.
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Case Keenum QBR = 73.3
Matt Schaub QBR = 67.9

Nothing peachy either way, but you're right. Like I've said all along, Case simply needs to just settle down instead of waiting for the long ball to develop (when he has an O-Line and good play calls, that is). Otherwise, no, he did nothing deserved to be pulled. It was a chickensh!it move by Kubiak t save his own bacon.
What was Case's 2nd half QBR? For that matter, have you looked at his 2nd half QBR in his three starts?
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What was Case's 2nd half QBR? For that matter, have you looked at his 2nd half QBR in his three starts?
how many ints has case thrown? and matt?

what about sacks?
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how many ints has case thrown? and matt?

what about sacks?
Did I mention Matt? Thought not.
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Good post...the other thing people arent taking into account is that lots of times on blitzes, the qb is responsible for a guy as well in the sense that u know you dont have enough guys kept back in for protection so you as the qb have to make sure you get the ball out and you slide away from that guy who's gonna be coming in free...

.its a collective effort by everyone the line, coach and qb...all 3 fail at various times throughout the game.
I'd blame Keenum if these plays weren't so often .... Jailbreaks.


But you are right , Keenum has failed to recognize who that free guy is quite a few times but he is in essence a rookie and that's almost expected. Yes , he knows the offense but that's only part of what he has to know , the other part is how to respond to what defenses throw at him. Blitzes have been his kryptonite.
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how many ints has case thrown? and matt?

what about sacks?
You guys see only what you want to see..he's avoided alot of sacks, but he's taken some terrible ones too....

..& ok, so he hasnt thrown but 1 int in his starts....what he has done though is fumble the ball at least once in every game he's started.

And up to this particular point, this is his 2nd straight game his TO early has led to pts for the opposition.

So Yeah he's not throwing ints, but he's turning the ball over all the same and helping the opposition put points on the board like schaub was.

And just as easily as you can blame fat randy for his choke job or the o-line for being leaky, or the defense for being..........garbage, you can blame Keenum for the last 2 losses. You cant bring up the fact that he's lost all his starts by 7 or less points and then gloss over Keenum's key fumbles that have directly or indirectly contributed to the opposition's point totals.

Im not bringing this stuff up in defense of schaub, but lets look at the macro view of things, not the micro.
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