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Old 11-27-2013   #381
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Bob Allen asked last night (Mon) on Ch 11 " Where has McNair been all this time?"
"He hasn't been heard from since before Kubiak had his stroke"



Think maybe he is jetting around asking questions, visiting prospects for GM or coach, both? Doubt it though, todays media would be all over it.

Not saying he's definitely doing it of anything but with his wealth and lack of celebrity it's possible he could move around all stealthy and that.

Don't assume the work isn't being done just because we don't know about it, it would be very out of character if we were to know.

On a seperate note, I really don't disagree all that much with the decision to stick with Kubiak after 2010, although I wanted him gone at the time. I think the guy ended up working against his normal MO in spending big money on FAs.

Now JoJo and Manning have both played their part on this team and overall been good additions in isolation, but if you want to build through the draft and then you begin letting your depth/solid starters walk because you don't have the mid-range money available because you spend over $10M a season on your FA CB plus whatever Manning is costing, then it's going to lead to the wheels falling off at some point.

Kubes wasn't looking likely to get us over the top without that money spent, he almost did for a while because of it, but then lost a lost of the mid-range talent because of it too.

Had we continued to draft well then the point would be moot.

It was the right thing to do to give him the shot though and we got our most successful couple of years since inception off the back of it.

I think the new coach is going to have more top talent to work with now than he would've had in 2011, I think if we cut the chord on Schaub, and knock some money off antonio Smith's cap hit, suddenly the coach has a bit of wiggle room until the watt contract is up which he can use to give time to prepare a few guys on rookie contracts over the next few years.

Things could be good again very soon. Especially with the rookie QB discount spent wisely.
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My main point here and a few other threads is: Where is the empirical evidence that "we would be in much better shape."? There's no way you can guarantee that. Nowhere close even. We could have and may still have a replacement that looks really great on paper that wilts like dead weeds and has no success in righting the ship. As several others have stated, it could get worse. I hope like hell it gets us to the show but my point is, there's no guarantee. For every 'good time, great turn-around story' that's been spewed my bet is an astute Googler can find twice as many, probably more, that imploded.
Variations of this argument have been used to defend keeping Kubiak for years. Of course there is no guarantee that the next coach will be better. However, given that Kubiak's teams have under-achieved for about six of his eight years, I think it is more certain that things aren't going to get better with Kubiak than with a new coach.

I've read for years that keeping Kubiak and staying the course would guarantee a decade of playoff appearances. I never joined the enlightened on that, no matter how many stories about the 60s and 70s Cowboys and Steelers were passed about. There was obviously no guarantee then, and there isn't one now.

However, there is enough data to predict how the Texans will perform if this regime maintains control for a few more years. Change is necessary and overdue.
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Even if the Texans suck under a new head coach at least we'll have something new to b*tch about.
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There's no way you can guarantee that. Nowhere close even. We could have and may still have a replacement that looks really great on paper that wilts like dead weeds and has no success in righting the ship. As several others have stated, it could get worse. I hope like hell it gets us to the show but my point is, there's no guarantee. For every 'good time, great turn-around story' that's been spewed my bet is an astute Googler can find twice as many, probably more, that imploded.

That's all I'm saying.

Carry on.
You can use that as a reason not to hire anyone.

Where is this heaven sent head coach that will descend upon our fair city and lead us to the promise land? What coach is not going to have question marks? What coach is out there where everyone would agree that he was the guy to do it?

Patriots could fire belichick tommorrow and people would say, he's nothing without Brady. He hasn't won since he stopped cheating. Folks would find a reason that he wouldn't be successful here.

Lombardi could crawl out his grave and people would say he's too old, been away from the game too long....and undead HC's are creepy...

Probably all legit criticisms. But that's the point....there is no perfect solution. If there was, then this wouldn't be real life where tough decisions are par for the course.

Either way, we know what we have hasn't worked.

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Lombardi could crawl out his grave and people would say he's too old, been away from the game too long....and undead HC's are creepy...
Every undead coach I've seen is creepy. Not sure they are Texans worthy anyways.

Nice touch Rey. MSR
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You can use that as a reason not to hire anyone.

Where is this heaven sent head coach that will descend upon our fair city and lead us to the promise land? What coach is not going to have question marks? What coach is out there where everyone would agree that he was the guy to do it?

Patriots could fire belichick tommorrow and people would say, he's nit hung without Brady. He hasn't won since he stopped cheating. Folks would find a reason that he wouldn't be successful here.

Lombardi could crawl out his grave and people would say he's too old, been away from the game too long....and undead HC's are creepy...

Probably all legit criticisms. But that's the point....there is no perfect solution. If there was, then this wouldn't be real life where tough decisions are par for the course.

Either way, we know what we haven't hasn't worked.
The guy .

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Nice touch Rey. MSR
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That was pretty funny.

Never saw that before.
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Never saw that before.
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Just got report from source, Jon Gruden at IAH......hmm, sightseeing day after Thanksgiving?.....

Please, say IT AIN'T SO! No Chucky here. Please...
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Just got report from source, Jon Gruden at IAH......hmm, sightseeing day after Thanksgiving?.....

Please, say IT AIN'T SO! No Chucky here. Please...
Yeah, I'm not a big "Chucky" fan BUT and "I like big BUTTS and can not lie" we gotta change this thing up, man.

I like Kubiak and really wanted him to be successful. It's run it's course - time to move on. Time to go along with Rick Smith.
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I'm not sure I understand people's issues with Gruden, he's a great coach. I wonder if the naysayers have watched him coach much. I have followed the Raiders as well since the 80s ( it's been really tough the last decade) so I've seen all his Raider games and I watched all his games in Tampa as well. He runs the WCO offense so there would be little transition time offensively. He's tough and demands accountability from his players. In my opinion, signing him would be great. I'd keep Wade and give him one more chance to clean up the D otherwise he's gone next season as well.

Oh, and for those that say he won with Dungys guys, tell me who he beat in the SB that year... His old guys in OAK.
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Oh, and for those that say he won with Dungys guys, tell me who he beat in the SB that year... His old guys in OAK.
Why do Gruden fans act like this helps him?

I guess Callahan was a better coach than Gruden since he got Gruden's team further than Gruden.
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Yeah, I'm not a big "Chucky" fan BUT and "I like big BUTTS and can not lie" we gotta change this thing up, man.

I like Kubiak and really wanted him to be successful. It's run it's course - time to move on. Time to go along with Rick Smith.
I've got no argument with any of that at all TB. It's time to blow this thing up. It's just that Gruden wouldn't be my choice.
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At least Gruden would be a change. I'm not sure if that would be good or not, but at this point as long as the wind changes directions I'm good with it.
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At least Gruden would be a change. I'm not sure if that would be good or not, but at this point as long as the wind changes directions I'm good with it.
You would think we would have learned change is not always good.

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