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Old 11-05-2013   #21
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AJ has TIME to make double-moves now because Keenum is creating time by moving around behind the LOS. Schaub never created extra time for his receivers to get open. He needed quick little receivers to get open sooner for shorter passes, or a TE with LBs covering him. How often has Schaub even waited and stayed on his feet long enough for AJ to make a double-move and run at least half the length of the field? If the receivers don't have time to get open, it doesn't even matter if you can throw the pass or not.
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AJ has TIME to make double-moves now because Keenum is creating time by moving around behind the LOS. Schaub never created extra time for his receivers to get open. He needed quick little receivers to get open sooner for shorter passes, or a TE with LBs covering him. How often has Schaub even waited and stayed on his feet long enough for AJ to make a double-move and run at least half the length of the field? If the receivers don't have time to get open, it doesn't even matter if you can throw the pass or not.
Schaub is the Texans version of Warren Moon? I ask because the Oiler's didn't use TE's in the R&S.
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On the player's show on 610 this morning AJ said he gave Case the signal for the fake spike and Case gave him the nod.
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On the player's show on 610 this morning AJ said he gave Case the signal for the fake spike and Case gave him the nod.
Ala Stafford?
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I like the fact that Case Keenum isn't afraid to throw the ball up for AJ to make a play!!

I like that, I LIKE THAT A LOT!!!!!
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So is AJ's recent TD emergence just a fluke or does it really mean that his career was essentially wasted with Schaub under center?...
His career numbers have been truncated by having David Carr and Schaub as QBs. Had AJ had Brady/Brees/Farve/Rogers/Montana/Manning as QBs his name would be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. I firmly believe that... that he was/is that good.
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His career numbers have been truncated by having David Carr and Schaub as QBs. Had AJ had Brady/Brees/Farve/Rogers/Montana/Manning as QBs his name would be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. I firmly believe that... that he was/is that good.
His TD numbers have been truncated. AJ has very good career yardage numbers. It;s TD numbers that elude him. Maybe a few years with Keenum will remove that stigma.
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QBs have different strengths and weaknesses, one of Case's just happens to be deep passes especially when given time due to him being elusive against normal or standard pass rushes.

At this point, unless AJ suddenly starts getting multiple TDs per game and ends this horrific season with more TDs then he has ever had (I think his high has been 7 or 8 in a season) it is of minor note and fans shouldn't torture themselves thinking about what ifs, except probably more adding fuel on the cut Schaub bonfire.
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AJ has TIME to make double-moves now because Keenum is creating time by moving around behind the LOS. Schaub never created extra time for his receivers to get open.
Nah. Before his Lisfranc injury, Schaub hit AJ downfield regularly. He just underthrew the ball and AJ had to slow up, which led to him getting tackled as soon as he caught the ball. Schaub to AJ has resulted in a better than average number of long passes. It's just that Schaub has cost the team (and AJ) some TDs on those plays by underthrowing the ball. Furthermore, he doesn't target AJ in the end zone like Keenum did on the fake spike play. That has cost the team (and AJ) some TDs as well. But the kickers got lots of extra FGs out of it, so yay?
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On the player's show on 610 this morning AJ said he gave Case the signal for the fake spike and Case gave him the nod.
And not only that, but AJ unintentionally threw Matt under the bus when he said Keenum allowes his WRs to go up and make the catch, while other QBs would just settle for they got and Case kind of just takes it. (I'm Paraphrasing)
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And not only that, but AJ unintentionally threw Matt under the bus when he said Keenum allowes his WRs to go up and make the catch, while other QBs would just settle for they got and Case kind of just takes it. (I'm Paraphrasing)
Was there anything untruthful about what AJ said? I have no problem with the truth, no matter the form it comes in.
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AJ has TIME to make double-moves now because Keenum is creating time by moving around behind the LOS. Schaub never created extra time for his receivers to get open. He needed quick little receivers to get open sooner for shorter passes, [u]or a TE with LBs covering him.
AJ has regularly been using double moves for years.

When have the Texans significantly utilized a quick little WR? To the contrary big ol' AJ has led the league in receiving (with no #2 WR) twice

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His career numbers have been truncated by having David Carr and Schaub as QBs. Had AJ had Brady/Brees/Farve/Rogers/Montana/Manning as QBs his name would be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. I firmly believe that... that he was/is that good.
His TD numbers are low. Everything else under Schaub is as high as you could reasonably hope for. AJ has averaged 96.6 ypg with Schaub (actually that is the Schaub era and so includes stretches when Schaub was injured or he would be over 100 ypg). For comparison CJ over the same time period has averaged 87.4 ypg. I use them because together the have led the league in 4 of the 6 completed seasons during that time period. The others are 2007 & 2010 in which AJ led in ypg but missed time.

IMO the rumors of AJ's demise and the pitter patter of lost steps are greatly exaggerated.
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Texans QB coach had a crystal ball:

http://m.houstontexans.com/s/30862/2...51012317129149
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its cuz case runs around in the pocket giving Andre more time has a DB trying to cover for 5 or 6 more seconds is kinda tough
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People seem to forget Schaub and 'Dre having career years in 2008 and 2009. It's where the other two 1500 years come from when they mention AJ having three, y'know. If Schaub hadn't been injured in 2011, who knows where we would be, but it would be a mistake to just throw out Schaub without acknowledging the part he played in 'Dre's career.
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scahub back then knew how to read Def and pick them apart

he liked to use his Tight ends alot to straight Torch Defenses and also the run game was on and play action was on but this was like 3 years ago im saying

3 years ago we ran the ball alot and no team could stop us they knew the run was coming and still they couldn't stop US

and just when the crowded the box to stop us Matt would torch them with OD
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I maybe knee-jerking, but all this time many of us thought of Dre as a incredibly dependable workhorse to move the chains and simply is not a TD type receiver.
Before hating Schaub was cool there were several of us saying that Schaub cost us many a touchdown by underthrowing Aj when he was wide open, giving the DBs time to recover.

That's what started the whole underthrowing on purpose thing. Schaub says it makes for a more catchable ball & in a way it makes sense. If you overthrow a guy, it's a wasted down. But if you underthrow it, provided the receiver locates it, it's much easier to adjust to.

But to do it as consistently as Schaub did, after working with the guy for 6 years... really makes you question his sanity.
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It was 1 game.

But.

With a different QB over the course of his career, AJ's numbers would have been even more impressive. With Schaub at QB, AJ has been a monster. He's put up more 1500 yard seasons than just about anybody and he's caught a ton of balls. He's been VERY productive with Schaub.

QBs make the throws they think they can make, the throws they're comfortable with. Case is willing to go out and take some chances that Matt (and HWWNBN before him) would not take. That ended up with AJ getting three touchdowns on Sunday but that doesn't mean we can expect AJ to keep up that pace or that CASE will be able to get those same opportunities as teams learn more about him and what he can do.
Good points. Case doesn't know any better. David Carr was a badass too at one time. A gunslinger. But they beat that crap out of him. He never had a game like Case had Sunday, but he had moxie, he had no reservations about throwing the ball... it just didn't last.

& that's the real question about Keenum, Luck, RG3, Wilson... how long can they keep it up? Look at Stafford & Newton... Those guys have put up some pretty good numbers last year, but failed to meet expectations & people (some people) are already treating them as after thoughts.
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Before hating Schaub was cool there were several of us saying that Schaub cost us many a touchdown by underthrowing Aj when he was wide open, giving the DBs time to recover.

That's what started the whole underthrowing on purpose thing. Schaub says it makes for a more catchable ball & in a way it makes sense. If you overthrow a guy, it's a wasted down. But if you underthrow it, provided the receiver locates it, it's much easier to adjust to.

But to do it as consistently as Schaub did, after working with the guy for 6 years... really makes you question his sanity.
i question his touch more than his sanity. i do think schaub erred on the side of caution, but schaub's a chuck it quarterback. he aims for the ceiling and tries to drop it on a somewhat predetermined spot. it's all well and good because he completes the pass and moves the ball, and i've defended him for doing it. that's the extent of schaub's ability though, aim for the spot. kubiak then had to work overtime to turn those nice plays without a finish into manufactured points, something more difficult than it would seem.

case as we've seen all through preseason and now these last two games has the accuracy to throw it to space instead of at the receiver. everyone here took notice that the YAC skyrocketed with keenum. normal everyday passes somehow turned into catch and runs. money says andre had more YAC against the colts than he did each other game combined. posey takes a simple curl for an extra 20 yards. it's a constant that receivers are able to transition quickly into runners instead of lowering their heads for the hit. it's also already lead to a career day for andre despite being "past his prime".
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