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Old 10-05-2008   #1
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Kubiak should have benched Sage after he tried to leap over 3 LB's like he was Elway or something. This was done after he held that ball out in the open during that QB sneak......in which case I'm SURE the coaches told him to not do dumb stuff like that anymore & protect the ball. And if the coaches did NOT tell him that, then that is just another reason to get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak has to own up to some of this fiasco........not protecting the football is unacceptable.......that is Kubiak's own words from when Carr was giving it up. When sage went haywire the 1st time, he should have been removed from the game. Kubiak should lose his job over this, so should Sage. Only action such as this would convince the rest of the team that protecting the football is job #1 for any team at ANY level. I imagine right now the team probably thinks protecting the football is the last thing they need to do.......after watching this fiasco.
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Kubiak should have benched Sage after he tried to leap over 3 LB's like he was Elway or something. This was done after he held that ball out in the open during that QB sneak......in which case I'm SURE the coaches told him to not do dumb stuff like that anymore & protect the ball. And if the coaches did NOT tell him that, then that is just another reason to get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak has to own up to some of this fiasco........not protecting the football is unacceptable.......that is Kubiak's own words from when Carr was giving it up. When sage went haywire the 1st time, he should have been removed from the game. Kubiak should lose his job over this, so should Sage. Only action such as this would convince the rest of the team that protecting the football is job #1 for any team at ANY level. I imagine right now the team probably thinks protecting the football is the last thing they need to do.......after watching this fiasco.
he couldnt bench Sage, Matt had a tummy ache. I guess he could have put Daniels in.
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I'm about as Pro-Kubiak as they come, and I have to put some of this loss on his playcalling.

No way we should have been doing anything but running the ball up into the pile at the end of the game.
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Yeah!! Fire Kubiak!!!! What was he thinking not benching the only healthy QB on the sideline?

Start OD at quarterback!!!!
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What better option did we have than Sage, seriously? He carried us to 27 unanswered points and then made a HUGE mistake. This game proved one thing and one thing only.... Sage is NOT our starter. He is and has been a backup for a reason.
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he couldnt bench Sage, Matt had a tummy ache. I guess he could have put Daniels in.
They could of been direct snapping it to a RB, after all we should have been running the ball.
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Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
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They could of been direct snapping it to a RB, after all we should have been running the ball.
Yeah but Sage tackled/tripped Green on that direct snap.

Anyone else notice that?
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Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
Hindsight is 20/20, chief. If Sage had've responded to that fumble with a game-ending drive we would all be singing his praises. But, of course, that didn't happen.

A dose of perspective is a powerful thing.
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Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
Cracking on Sage for his bone-headed play when it mattered most is fair, but blaming Kubiak for not pulling him at that point is knee-jerk crap.
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Wow, how funny it is. An hour and a half ago all of houston was saying "see I told you Sage was the anointed one". Now they are asking why he wasn't benched after that play. You have no one else to go to except sage. Kubiak did the right thing... you had to move the ball out of the shadow of your own goal line and hopefully put some points back on the board.


Funny how fickle fans are. I don't know how, if you were in the START Sage club you can now be in the "Fire Kubiak because he didn't pull our messiah out" club. We now know that maybe Kubes is a little smarter than we all are and was right to NOT start sage unless he had to. As for Schaub, he spent the night in the hospital. Wonder if maybe that's why he wasn't in the game at the end.

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This is silly.

The ONLY person that needs to take the blame for this loss is Sage Rosenfels...NO ONE ELSE. Sage is the only guy that should take this loss today.
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The bottom line is that the guy hasn't produced. I remember a lot of talk about him trying to rid the "culture of losing" after he got the job. Now it looks like he's created his own culture of losing.

There are other coaches (like Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton) who have turned things around and put teams in the playoffs in less than the amount of time that Kubiak has had. And it looks like Sparano might just be another one to add to that list.

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What better option did we have than Sage, seriously? He carried us to 27 unanswered points and then made a HUGE mistake. This game proved one thing and one thing only.... Sage is NOT our starter. He is and has been a backup for a reason.
Correction: Four huge mistakes.

One didn't cost us, but the other three combined caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ugh.

On point, Kubes didn't make the brain farts that Sage did, but he put Sage in the situation three separate times which led to bad plays.

Up two scores, we should have run it three consecutive times and made them spend all of their time outs. Instead, we run twice and then try to get cute. If we punt and make them drive the length of the field, recover an on-side kick, and then drive again to get a field goal (all without any time outs), the worst we can do is go to OT. Brutal, brutal decision making by the head coach.

I haven't been this discouraged since we were on our way to getting the number one pick. By the way, Mario and the D-line had a whale of a game wasted. Fire Kubiak. Fire Richard Smith. Give this organization an enema.
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How was Kubes supposed to know that RonsenFAILS forgot that taking care of the ball was somewhat important?
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Cracking on Sage for his bone-headed play when it mattered most is fair, but blaming Kubiak for not pulling him at that point is knee-jerk crap.
+1.

To that point, Sage had been playing good football (though he got lucky to not lose the ball stretching out at the goal line earlier). Few coaches want to bench their QB and completely deflate whatever remaining confidence they have.

The bottom line is that Sage hurt the team by trying to do too much. As much as that sucks, it's better than someone who costs you the game by not hustling or not caring. (Think Randy Moss with the Raiders here.) Yes, these were brain farts, and the final fumble was indicative of an inability to sense the pressure, but you don't bench a guy for one stupid decision -- especially one which was borne out by hustle and a willingness to sacrifice the body for a first down which likely ends the game.

I'm not "defending" Sage here so much as at least being willing to see his mistakes were mistakes of excessive hustle and willingness to sacrifice the body, and no decent coach would take a guy playing mostly good football for 55 minutes and bench him for one careless moment.
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How was Kubes supposed to know that RonsenFAILS forgot that taking care of the ball was somewhat important?
Exactly...Sage played great until that one part. After that dive turnover, you'd think he'd be more careful...
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Maybe Kubiak should have kept getting Slaton the ball...

I guess they didn't do that in Denver circa 2003 so why should we do that now?
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Maybe Kubiak should have kept getting Slaton the ball...

I guess they didn't do that in Denver circa 2003 so why should we do that now?
I agree...after the onside kick just run it out...even if they stop you 3 times(which is unlikely) you'd still win the game...

but once again...Sage played GREAT until that point. Kubes probably thought he was beaming with confidence when he called it...Sage probably was beaming with confidence which is why he made that stupid dive.
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Correction: Four huge mistakes.

One didn't cost us, but the other three combined caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ugh.

On point, Kubes didn't make the brain farts that Sage did, but he put Sage in the situation three separate times which led to bad plays.

Up two scores, we should have run it three consecutive times and made them spend all of their time outs. Instead, we run twice and then try to get cute. If we punt and make them drive the length of the field, recover an on-side kick, and then drive again to get a field goal (all without any time outs), the worst we can do is go to OT. Brutal, brutal decision making by the head coach.

I haven't been this discouraged since we were on our way to getting the number one pick. By the way, Mario and the D-line had a whale of a game wasted. Fire Kubiak. Fire Richard Smith. Give this organization an enema.
His first fumble was on a naked bootleg, and it was a beautiful play. The problem was that Sage dove for the first instead of sliding and playing ball control.

The play calling in this game was fantastic on offense. Three turnovers by Rosenfels are where the blame should be placed. He failed us.

Kubiak did not lose us this game.
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