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Old 11-05-2013   #21
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I based it on his attitude and body language. Dont know why his back didnt get aggravated during practice, Gary always said he had a good day, etc. And the whole team luncheon incident made him look like a real Jerk off in my eyes.
I've tried to tell people that the player's and coach's comments and Injury Reports must be taken with a grain of salt.

During the Texans only contact practice (Wednesday), Foster was listed "Limited," which means that he did not engage in contact activities. Then on Friday, he is listed as "Full," meaning that he had a great walk-through! I mentioned that I felt that if he were allowed to play, he would likely not make it through the game. If has back was what had him leave the back, you can be sure that it was a compensatory injury to his hamstring........and it would not surprise me if in addition he didn't re-aggravated his hamstring, whether he is listed as such or not.
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I don't know.. leg muscles and the back are pretty important to a RBs ability to play. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
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I don't think he's quit. I think the tread on the tires has worn thin. I doubt well ever see him produce like he's done in the past.
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Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
Good point. Foster was practically the only offense we had against the Rams. The only question is why the coaches cleared him to play. He obviously wasn't healthy enough to.
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Yup, we pretty much have to. IIRC, he'd have a substantial cap hit if he was cut.

I don't really question his heart. He was fighting his butt off before the injuries. Heck, he was the only one kickin butt during the Rams game. He was still going 100% even after the Rams put the game away in the 3rd. To me, that shows heart.

I can see doggin on players like Sharpton, but Foster? Not yet, not me anyway
I'm not ready to question his heart yet either. That said - he'd save the team $1.25 million if cut this offseason. I'd keep him around. That's not a hug savings. Now in 2015 he'll cost $9 million to the cap. Unless he returns to a healthy superstar in 2014, you cut him and save $4 million on the cap.
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Good point. Foster was practically the only offense we had against the Rams. The only question is why the coaches cleared him to play. He obviously wasn't healthy enough to.
Dunno, maybe Arian pushed to give it a go? The Colts injury was 'new' compared to the hammy.

I admit, I was kinda irked with him vs the Chiefs. He kinda left us hangin. But then again, that's when Black & Mild-gate happened
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I think it's mostly injuries that are holding him back, and it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who looks at the history of RBs with 400+ touches in their previous year. At this point, I would give Arian at least 4 weeks off, and figure out what we have in guys like Dennis Johnson, who could be our #2 RB next year. I think a 1-2 punch of Foster and Johnson could be enough for the 2014 Texans, and it could reduce our RB priority in the draft. Get Dennis up to speed on pass protections, and he could be a nice, cheap #2.
Now, let's see. Why was this guy cut in TC? And nobody picked him up? Oh yeah, that's right! He couldn't hang on to the rock to save his life. The fact that he actually didn't cough it up even once against the Colts was amazing in itself.
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I don't think he's quit on anyone. In fact I don't see him as being sullen or weird or anything but a little frustrated and kind of confused. I doubt he expected to be hurting this often and this easily in 2013. He seemed like he went out of his way to get ready and things have just spiraled out of control. Foster needs a few weeks off and then should get worked back into the rotation but nowhere near as heavily as he was getting the ball. Spread the load among 2-3 backs and lets get into the offseason.
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I don't think he's quit on anyone. In fact I don't see him as being sullen or weird or anything but a little frustrated and kind of confused. I doubt he expected to be hurting this often and this easily in 2013. He seemed like he went out of his way to get ready and things have just spiraled out of control. Foster needs a few weeks off and then should get worked back into the rotation but nowhere near as heavily as he was getting the ball. Spread the load among 2-3 backs and lets get into the offseason.
I think he needs to be protected from himself. He's so competitive that he thinks he can go. Team docs should make him take a few weeks off. Heck, if it would help recover long-term, IR him now. Season is over, why ruin this guys career over stats in meaningless games?
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Only complete retards would think a guy like Foster quit on his team. Even when the rest of our team were pissing away games, Foster always trucked on if he could. Guys who have it in the to quit don't pace up and down the sideline against the Ravens wanting to play. They don't get mad when they are benched for their backups. They don't push themselves hard during the offseason or try to push through injuries that affect their careers.
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Like others have said, I don't think he's quit on anything. He's just ground down from last year. I hope he'll be able to recover -- some RBs never do. But I don't think it's because of a lack of desire or heart on his part.
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I think we should shut him down for the rest of the year, and let him heal up and be ready for 2014. As excited as I am about Keenum, we aren't going to the playoffs this year. As someone stated, we need to see if Johnson is a viable #2 back...I thought he flashed some potential on Sunday night.


I agree! Let Johnson & Graham get some carries! Keenum & a healthy Foster next year could be special!
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I haven't heard much chatter about Foster the past couple days, but I have to say my opinion of him has fallen. The past two games he has taken himself out of the game after just four carries and one carry, respectively. I'm sure his hamstring, back, and calf are all really sore, but if they're that bad, he should never have taken an active roster spot. Meanwhile, Tate is out there gutting it up with broken ribs.

People used to ding Mario by saying he didn't try enough. But he went out there and played in the trenches every down against the largest guys on the field with all sorts of injuries. Hell, he played an entire season with plantar fasciitis, which I know personally leaves you crippled. He may not have played particularly well with those maladies, but he went out there.

And what was the general consensus when Colt McCoy pulled himself out of the national championship game? It wasn't that he was a tough gamer, I can tell you that.
That's about the only thing in that post I agree with. Foster shouldn't be out there. Doc said during preseason that Foster would have issues before the year was out. Doc was right, as usual.

And for the record, Tate probably ought to sit out a few weeks and heal too.

Like others have said, let's see what these younguns can do.
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It's confusing why so many decide to assume the worst about Foster and his attitude. The dude works extremely hard in the offseason, and his attitude reflects a competitor with high standards. The irrationality of some fans peaked at the beginning of the season when they were talking about trading him. After the ability that Foster has demonstrated, that idea is terribly illogical.

The injuries don't confirm that his body is breaking down, just that it's changing. All athletes go through this and make adjustments. I was just listening to a long interview with Andre Johnson, and he described how he has changed up his workouts in accordance with his age. He doesn't even run on concrete anymore because it makes his knee swell up. In Foster's case, he overtrained in the offseason. He didn't allow recovery time, and the subsequent injuries have been compensatory. That doesn't mean he's done, it just means he needs to adjust his workouts and plan his recovery better. I envision Foster running for this team for a long time, because the way he runs deflects hits and punishment that typical runningbacks absorb.
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Dunno, maybe Arian pushed to give it a go? The Colts injury was 'new' compared to the hammy.

I admit, I was kinda irked with him vs the Chiefs. He kinda left us hangin. But then again, that's when Black & Mild-gate happened
If you remember, he previously received epidural injections for his back problems. I said at that time that these injections may typically relieve symptoms for up to two months. He received those injections on Sept 18 and today is Nov 5. He compensated his still freshly ailing hamstring with additional stress on his back as the injection effects were wearing off........the perfect storm.

I'm not going to say that his career is near end, but his injury history and types are nearing critical level...........multiple recurrent serious tears to the same hamstring, and an apparent recurrent disc type of problems (ala Cody).
Unless something changes significantly, his career path will not going in the right direction.
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I've tried to tell people that the player's and coach's comments and Injury Reports must be taken with a grain of salt.

During the Texans only contact practice (Wednesday), Foster was listed "Limited," which means that he did not engage in contact activities. Then on Friday, he is listed as "Full," meaning that he had a great walk-through! I mentioned that I felt that if he were allowed to play, he would likely not make it through the game. If has back was what had him leave the back, you can be sure that it was a compensatory injury to his hamstring........and it would not surprise me if in addition he didn't re-aggravated his hamstring, whether he is listed as such or not.
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I don't doubt Arian's heart for a second. His body may be a different question though.
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AF had back issues in TC that were tied, by CnD to his calf, so it should be no surprise to anyone that he had a recurrance of his back problem after having a hammy issue.

The only issue I have is AF taking up a roster spot when BT has fractured ribs. Better to activate one of the new guys than rely on AF at that point.
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If you remember, he previously received epidural injections for his back problems. I said at that time that these injections may typically relieve symptoms for up to two months. He received those injections on Sept 18 and today is Nov 5. He compensated his still freshly ailing hamstring with additional stress on his back as the injection effects were wearing off........the perfect storm.

I'm not going to say that his career is near end, but his injury history and types are nearing critical level...........multiple recurrent serious tears to the same hamstring, and an apparent recurrent disc type of problems (ala Cody).
Unless something changes significantly, his career path will not going in the right direction.
Well, this is pretty discouraging - especially after signing him to a new deal.
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