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Old 11-04-2013   #21
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odd, i actually thought mccain had a pretty good game and joseph was the one being picked on. the deep ball was on joseph. mccain turned a fraction late for the 2pt conversion, but he appeared to me to have very tight coverage most of the game and disrupted several attempts. i remarked a few times during the game that it looked like the old mccain was back.
I'd like to see a gif if that play. Sure looked like McCain had that coverage. Looked like zone coverage to me.
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I'd like to see a gif if that play. Sure looked like McCain had that coverage. Looked like zone coverage to me.
You might need to watch it again. It was quarters and JJo was late.
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You might need to watch it again. It was quarters and JJo was late.
I might be thinking of another play then. I actually just heard Phillips on the radio a few minutes ago (think it was the postgame presser) say they were in zone on the big pass play. Thought that kind of confirmed it but maybe it was another play. I didn't rewatch it so I'm going off a foggy post-loss memory.
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You might need to watch it again. It was quarters and JJo was late.
Might be a different play but here is the presser it is for what it's worth. At around 45 seconds: Texans 11-3-2013 Postgame Presser - Wade Phillips
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Joseph costs more against the cap than any other player from what I heard, that's not very cool at all.
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The whole secondary is a joke.....

JJO is slow and just not good anymore.....only times he makes a play is due to instincts, which are barely average


jackson is a PI machine.....throw it deep on him and guaranteed a PI call

mccain is just a joke.....slowest slot corner EVER

reed is stealing money from our front office....has he done ANYTHING for us yet?

swearinger and keo are just lost out there....ugh were terrible on the backend
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Joseph sucks and should be cut with foster, bullock, McCain, Newton and Keyshawn martin


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What are we arguing about? The Colts scored 3 TDs

The first was definitely on McCain. One was either McCain or Joseph. & the third was definitely on Joseph.
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The whole secondary is a joke.....

jackson is a PI machine.....throw it deep on him and guaranteed a PI call
He's not a play maker, so his mistakes will garner a lot more attention than if he'd intercept the ball every game or two.

Some of the PIs called against him were just ridiculous.

That one, was probably the best thing he could have done... since he was already beat. Either commit the PI prevent the guy from scoring a TD (get your whole defense 4 more opportunities to prevent the score) or let him score right there & get your defense off the field that way.

I prefer he not get beat to begin with, but I also don't know what the coverage call was there, or what he was expecting. But at the moment the ball was put in the air, I prefer the PI to a sure TD.
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On 2 out of the 3 TDs, the Texans were outschemed from the start. Easy man coverage beaters that put the CBs at a distinct disadvantage. The long one was the right call but the DBs were simply too slow.

McCain alone has been beat by the same exact route combo multiple times (Charger game comes to mind). He was beaten from his alignment alone.

Beating this defense is very simple: traps/draws to beat shooting one gap linemen and quick screens/pick routes to beat man coverage
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On 2 out of the 3 TDs, the Texans were outschemed from the start. Easy man coverage beaters that put the CBs at a distinct disadvantage. The long one was the right call but the DBs were simply too slow.

McCain alone has been beat by the same exact route combo multiple times (Charger game comes to mind). He was beaten from his alignment alone.

Beating this defense is very simple: traps/draws to beat shooting one gap linemen and quick screens/pick routes to beat man coverage
But the long one wasn't man coverage.
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But the long one wasn't man coverage.
Right, hence 2 out of 3. On the long one, right call for the play but just physically beat.
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Right, hence 2 out of 3. On the long one, right call for the play but just physically beat.
And it looks to me like JJo might have been waiting to see if Jackson was to switch man or not; just a bit of hesitation was all it took.
I honestly don't know whether the switch call is automatic or it's only on when there's a call beforehand, so that is just a guess.
Wade looks like... he was wanting JJo to jump out front, the way he reacted on the side line right afterward.

The switch is one way to combat a pick by the receiver, or a natural pick due to the combination of routes; similar to defending the pick in basketball.
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Asomugha was just released by San Fran. Jonathan Joseph turned out to be the better FA signing after that national bidding war in 2010.
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