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Old 11-04-2013   #101
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I don't think this happens is Kubiak doesn't go down. I thought he looked like a different coach with his play calls yesterday in the first half.
I saw it already happening in the 2nd quarter long before Kubes went down.
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If you know anything about Kubiak's game plan, that whole 2nd half was Kubiak's game plan. There was nothing different about how Kubiak would have called that game. That had KUbiak's name and style written all over it.
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If you know anything about Kubiak's game plan, that whole 2nd half was Kubiak's game plan. There was nothing different about how Kubiak would have called that game. That had KUbiak's name and style written all over it.
Actually he has clearly stated that he only plans the 1st 15/20 plays of each half
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Actually he has clearly stated that he only plans the 1st 15/20 plays of each half
I believe that he means that stylewise this was Texans have a lead so we are largely going to run the ball with some play action passing, not that Kubes would run these exact plays versus what exact plays that Dennison ran
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I think he calls it different, just a feeling...
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Calm down gramps, wouldn't want you having a Kubiak on us.
Trying to be funny while the coach is still in the hospital?

Seriously one of the most classless statements made in this forum, and that says a lot after a decade of existence.
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

people need to calm down...Keenum didn't outplay luck...hell both guys played about the same when you consider the totality of the circumstances they had to deal with.

Keenum:
- lost Foster at the beginning of the game but we still ran it pretty good with Tate & Johnson....
-Fat Randy & ST didn't have a good day, but they actually did prevent Indy from scoring 3 early with the FG block.
-The defense was actually damn good until the 2nd half started
-I'm not putting too much into Kubiak thing. anyone who has watched this team over the years knows that they did what they always do when they have a lead...try to run clock & get conservative.

Luck:
-didn't have his main guy Reggie Wayne & it clearly effected the offense...Also lost his #2 WR Heyward-Bey in the middle of the game too.
-He basically had no run game to speak of
-& his o-line was terrible for most of the night. a number of the plays he made came within a split second of Watt or some other defender knocking the piss out of him.
-he also had a few drops

The ref calls were a draw..both teams had bad calls against them.


Keenum made most of his plays early in the 1st half, Luck made most of his late in the 2nd half.

If you take away the last drive where keenum tacked on 30 more passing yards their stats look about the same.
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>people need to calm down...Keenum didn't outplay luck...hell both guys played about the same when you consider the totality of the circumstances they had to deal with.


So you're saying an UDFA in only his second start with two offensive
starters missing and no head coach in the second half played about
the same as the undisputed "second coming" of Peyton Manning who
is in his second year playing in the same offensive system and starting
both years?

Ok.. I'll take that..
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What you all should want is Kubiak to be back coaching as soon as possible. Why? Say what you want about Kubiak, he can groom a QB and maximize his strengths. Schaub never had a big arm, so underneath and playaction was his strengths. Keenum has a different skill set that allows Kubiak to exploit his fearlessness and deep ball touch. Keenum had skills, but Kubiak has tuned them, in about a year and half, for the pro game. If Keenum can continue to grow as the starter for the rest of this year, it will help the team hit the ground running next year.

For Kubiak, it is a kid with a new toy. Once you realize how good it is, you never want to put it down.
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If you take away the last drive where keenum tacked on 30 more passing yards their stats look about the same.
You mean take away the last drive where he drove us down the field with 30 seconds and no timeouts to give our stupid fat FG kicker a chance to tie the game? OK.
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This is exactly what I have been trying to put into words today.
And why I am super depressed that Gary may have had a
"coaching career" ending stroke..

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What you all should want is Kubiak to be back coaching as soon as possible. Why? Say what you want about Kubiak, he can groom a QB and maximize his strengths. Schaub never had a big arm, so underneath and playaction was his strengths. Keenum has a different skill set that allows Kubiak to exploit his fearlessness and deep ball touch. Keenum had skills, but Kubiak has tuned them, in about a year and half, for the pro game. If Keenum can continue to grow as the starter for the rest of this year, it will help the team hit the ground running next year.

For Kubiak, it is a kid with a new toy. Once you realize how good it is, you never want to put it down.
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>people need to calm down...Keenum didn't outplay luck...hell both guys played about the same when you consider the totality of the circumstances they had to deal with.


So you're saying an UDFA in only his second start with two offensive
starters missing and no head coach in the second half played about
the same as the undisputed "second coming" of Peyton Manning who
is in his second year playing in the same offensive system and starting
both years?

Ok.. I'll take that..
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Draft status & hype have 0 to do with it. Keenum doesn't get extra points b/c he wasn't drafted...Even though Keenum's been in the league for 2 years & running the same system like Luck too.

All things considered, we all should be happy he went toe to toe with 1 of the best young qb's in the game.
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Draft status & hype have 0 to do with it. Keenum doesn't get extra points b/c he wasn't drafted...Even though Keenum's been in the league for 2 years & running the same system like Luck too.

All things considered, we all should be happy he went toe to toe with 1 of the best young qb's in the game.
Of course Keenum gets "extra points" for being undrafted vs the #1 pick in the draft. Seriously...read that again. Undrafted vs 1st pick in the draft.

Also, can you really equate Luck who ran this same Colts offense while in Stanford to Keenum who didn't get first team reps in this offense until 3 days before his first start?
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You mean take away the last drive where he drove us down the field with 30 seconds and no timeouts to give our stupid fat FG kicker a chance to tie the game? OK.
you only take it away b/c luck wouldn't have had a chance to respond b/c it was the final drive of the game...besides, lots of qb's good & bad can do what he did that last drive.... all he did was complete 2 short passes for a total of 30 yards that moved us in range for a long 55 yard fg....& that would've only tied it.
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I will 2nd the notion that this thread is stupid, and even worse than that is all of you excuse makers for Keenum. Even funnier is someone who says something about being in the minority as if somehow being in the majority makes you right.

The entire German population thought Hitler was great too, and if I am not mistaken, the majority voted for the current POTUS too... TWICE! Just sayin'.

The way I see it, many of you Schaub critics said all the Texans needed was a real QB and all would be right in Texans land, that bad offensive line play could be overcome by a mobile QB with a strong arm, and now all I hear is excuse after excuse in defense of the one many of you have anointed the messiah.

For now, you have all put out your torches, placed your pitch forks in the shed and replaced all of that criticism of Schaub with excuses for Keenum. Which of course you have to do, or you might look unreasonable right?

And yea before the usual suspects attack me and call me names, attack my character, blaa blaa blaa. Keep in mind I will not lose a wink of sleep, nor will I respect your opinion any more than I do now. So go ahead and fire away. I expect it from the fair weather, majority mob on this board who think their join date, or post count equates to having legitimacy.
I won't attack you or your character nor your right to post as you please. I understand you're a Matt guy and that's cool. I was a staunch Matt supporter as well but there came a time when his play just became indefensible and that time happens to coincide with his meltdown which started last year. I didn't follow Keenum's collegiate career but had certainly heard the name. I'm not here to anoint him the Team Savior and I had my doubts but no one can legitimately deny that Case Keenum played his first two games against two of the top teams the AFC has to offer and presented very well. If he keeps progressing I see no reason that he can't rise with the cream. He's got my full support from here on out. I feel badly for Schaub. On the sidelines all night, wearing his little helmet the whole time just waiting... I never really thought much about him not being that verbal leader on the sidelines but I really chubbed at seeing Case working the team, on both sides of the ball. You could, at least I could tell the whole team was excited to be a part of what was happening. I watched as JJ Watt's frown and scowls from the last several games replaced with smiles and excitement. How long has it been since you've saw AJ giddy as a kid at christmas? Just a few of the clues that the team is behind him and has fully accepted and bought in. If they can then why can't we? Or perhaps more specifically, Fish, you?

Case could of course, flame out and I think there are a few on here that would revelle in it. I hope he continues to ascend and is mentioned in the same breath with Arian Foster as UDFA "finds" that the Texans are able to "uncover".

All of this is just my opinion but I'm excited to watch and hope #7 continues to grow and become the greatest UDFA QB to ever pull on a jockstrap.

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Of course Keenum gets "extra points" for being undrafted vs the #1 pick in the draft. Seriously...read that again. Undrafted vs 1st pick in the draft.

Also, can you really equate Luck who ran this same Colts offense while in Stanford to Keenum who didn't get first team reps in this offense until 3 days before his first start?
Dude, all the shotgun we've been running since he has been starting....2 zone read plays yesterday... a number of the passing plays he's been running are all things he did at UofH.....or are a close derivative of things he did there. They are purposely designed or implemented into our gameplan to make him feel comfy...ultimately, both guys are getting/got some form of home cooking.

The circumstances by which they came into the league don't matter when the goal for both is the same..1 guy came into the league ready to play, another came into the league and needed a year to develop before he was ready...doesn't matter in the end...if you can play, you can play & some guys need time to develop before they can play on this level...Do you think Keenum could've come in as a rookie & did what Luck did? If not, then we should give extra credit to Luck for being able to do that b/c alot of players (let alone qbs) can't do that....no matter where they were taken.

At the end of the day draft status will hardly be part of the narrative if they wind up matching up against each other in the years to come...if Keenum continues to develop that is & neither guy gets a career ending injury.

The question is, will you still be giving Keenum extra credit if he continues to ascend in the future b/c he's an undrafted FA every time he matches up against a qb who was drafted?.....which will be pretty much every qb he faces going forward.

What about making extra excuses up for him b/c he's an undrafted FA if he begins to slump in the future?
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Two games into it, what do you think? Case Keenum or Andrew Luck?
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you only take it away b/c luck wouldn't have had a chance to respond b/c it was the final drive of the game...besides, lots of qb's good & bad can do what he did that last drive.... all he did was complete 2 short passes for a total of 30 yards that moved us in range for a long 55 yard fg....& that would've only tied it.
Everything after "besides" is worthless.
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Everything after "besides" is worthless.
yeah b/c no 1st or 2nd string qb in the NFL could complete 2 passes for 30 yards and move his team just inside fg range.....
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yeah b/c no 1st or 2nd string qb in the NFL could complete 2 passes for 30 yards and move his team just inside fg range.....
I'm not so convinced this kicker has a "fg range".
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