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Old 11-04-2013   #81
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I will 2nd the notion that this thread is stupid, and even worse than that is all of you excuse makers for Keenum. Even funnier is someone who says something about being in the minority as if somehow being in the majority makes you right.

The entire German population thought Hitler was great too, and if I am not mistaken, the majority voted for the current POTUS too... TWICE! Just sayin'.

The way I see it, many of you Schaub critics said all the Texans needed was a real QB and all would be right in Texans land, that bad offensive line play could be overcome by a mobile QB with a strong arm, and now all I hear is excuse after excuse in defense of the one many of you have anointed the messiah.

For now, you have all put out your torches, placed your pitch forks in the shed and replaced all of that criticism of Schaub with excuses for Keenum. Which of course you have to do, or you might look unreasonable right?

And yea before the usual suspects attack me and call me names, attack my character, blaa blaa blaa. Keep in mind I will not lose a wink of sleep, nor will I respect your opinion any more than I do now. So go ahead and fire away. I expect it from the fair weather, majority mob on this board who think their join date, or post count equates to having legitimacy.
No one needs to attack you. The ignorance and foolishness of your own words regarding Keenum do it all by yourself.
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I don't think this happens is Kubiak doesn't go down. I thought he looked like a different coach with his play calls yesterday in the first half.
If you know anything about Kubiak's game plan, that whole 2nd half was Kubiak's game plan. There was nothing different about how Kubiak would have called that game. That had KUbiak's name and style written all over it.
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If you know anything about Kubiak's game plan, that whole 2nd half was Kubiak's game plan. There was nothing different about how Kubiak would have called that game. That had KUbiak's name and style written all over it.
True, but I don't think he would've called it that way. Look how many plays it took him to call a run in the first half!

Not that I necessarily want Kubiak back next year. But I thought his play calling was completely different in the first half. Maybe it was just having a QB who could make throws and move around though.
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Undefeated KC. Playing great prior to injury in SF. Smith can't beat you by himself, but he isn't losing games either. Luck on the other hand will beat you, for comparison Luck had his first game winning drive in his 2nd start. Keenum is a nice prospect, no need to get mad, but he's no Luck, and no Smith for that matter.
Man, do you ever stop and read your own words. You look like a total clown at this point after all of the bashing you did against Keenum before he ever got to start and talked about how stupid everyone else was going to look. He has come into the NFL cold turkey and lit it up on horrible team with horrible coaching. And you're actually saying he is "no Smith" when Smith couldn't even dream about making downfield plays like Keenum has been doing. The fact that you are even trying to compare Keenum to Luck at this point who has had two years now to learn the offense and practice with the starters under a good coaching staff to a practice squad player is dumb as hell especially when Keenum outplayed Luck last night. And then you have the adacity to compare him to Smith and act like he can't even compete with that guy? Lol! You are a total clown.
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Man, do you ever stop and read your own words. You look like a total clown at this point after all of the bashing you did against Keenum before he ever got to start and talked about how stupid everyone else was going to look. He has come into the NFL cold turkey and lit it up on horrible team with horrible coaching. And you're actually saying he is "no Smith" when Smith couldn't even dream about making downfield plays like Keenum has been doing. The fact that you are even trying to compare Keenum to Luck at this point who has had two years now to learn the offense and practice with the starters under a good coaching staff to a practice squad player is dumb as hell especially when Keenum outplayed Luck last night. And then you have the adacity to compare him to Smith and act like he can't even compete with that guy? Lol! You are a total clown.
Calm down gramps, wouldn't want you having a Kubiak on us. Now, feel free to throw up any post where I have bashed or ridiculed any of you Keenum fan boys because I haven't. From the get go I have taken the cautiously optimistic route, and even today I'm not going to crown a guy the future after 2 games, losses by the way. Go ahead and blame a regime, or a game plan, yawn or whatever is sexy today to blame. Yea keenum has only had 2 weeks to learn this offense, oookay Mr angry over here. What is important to you? Stats or victories? Not moral ones, only losers think that way. Go ahead and proclaim Keenum the next big thing and hopefully you don't come crashing down to earth when the team goes QB in round 1.

"Smith couldn't dream of making the throws my boy crush Keenum could make" LOL you are right, he just wins games. Schaub had sexy stats too.

If keenum is this special player he finds a way to win that game last night, oh but wait he's too young and inexperienced to have that kind of pressure, "he needs more time"

Maybe you should grow a thicker skin? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Keenum will be under the microscope the remainder of the season, and you will go through many pairs of panties if you cry about every critical comment that gets posted.
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Calm down gramps, wouldn't want you having a Kubiak on us. Now, feel free to throw up any post where I have bashed or ridiculed any of you Keenum fan boys because I haven't. From the get go I have taken the cautiously optimistic route, and even today I'm not going to crown a guy the future after 2 games, losses by the way. Go ahead and blame a regime, or a game plan, yawn or whatever is sexy today to blame. Yea keenum has only had 2 weeks to learn this offense, oookay Mr angry over here. What is important to you? Stats or victories? Not moral ones, only losers think that way. Go ahead and proclaim Keenum the next big thing and hopefully you don't come crashing down to earth when the team goes QB in round 1.
Stop your lying. What you've done for weeks is exaggerate what everyone said about Keenum's potential and constantly made it into something else and acted like everyone was saying he would be the next Tom Brady when "NO ONE" ever said that anywhere. You've been one of the main ones that has made conversations difficult because you have constantly taken people's words out of context just to make your pathetic arguments against Keemum seem legit. The fact is that you never paid any attention to Keenum prior to him starting and you just bashed him because he was a 3rd string guy and a Cougar that played for a smaller school. You did all of this while thinking Schaub was the better option, and even in this thread you are still doing the same thing by exaggerating people's enthusiasm when you clearly have an egg on your face.

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"Smith couldn't dream of making the throws my boy crush Keenum could make" LOL you are right, he just wins games. Schaub had sexy stats too.
Yes, Smith doesn't throw down the field. He isn't a prolific passer and never has been. He has been benched multiple times in his career and he is winning game with a great defense and a running game. Not with his arm. If you'd actually watched Smith in any season, you'd know this. But clearly you just see wins and feel like whoever is at QB must be responsible for it all and then you sound like some bandwagon listener when you aren't even watching the guy's team play.



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Maybe you should grow a thicker skin? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Keenum will be under the microscope the remainder of the season, and you will go through many pairs of panties if you cry about every critical comment that gets posted.
You haven't figured out yet that you should be embarrassed to even post here at this point after all of the ridiculous criticisms that you threw out at Keenum for weeks and all of the posters you criticized as well and lied on time and time again. Had you just came out at this point and admitted that you were wrong about the kid and that he has shown that he can play, then no big deal. But you're actually back here still trashing this kid and proclaiming Smith as some sort of benchmark? Lol! LIke I said before you are a total clown and you just want Keenum to fail so you can say that you were right.
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Stop your lying. What you've done for weeks is exaggerate what everyone said about Keenum's potential and constantly made it into something else and acted like everyone was saying he would be the next Tom Brady when "NO ONE" ever said that anywhere. You've been one of the main ones that has made conversations difficult because you have constantly taken people's words out of context just to make your pathetic arguments against Keemum seem legit. The fact is that you never paid any attention to Keenum prior to him starting and you just bashed him because he was a 3rd string guy and a Cougar that played for a smaller school. You did all of this while thinking Schaub was the better option, and even in this thread you are still doing the same thing by exaggerating people's enthusiasm when you clearly have an egg on your face.



Yes, Smith doesn't throw down the field. He isn't a prolific passer and never has been. He has been benched multiple times in his career and he is winning game with a great defense and a running game. Not with his arm. If you'd actually watched Smith in any season, you'd know this. But clearly you just see wins and feel like whoever is at QB must be responsible for it all and then you sound like some bandwagon listener when you aren't even watching the guy's team play.





You haven't figured out yet that you should be embarrassed to even post here at this point after all of the ridiculous criticisms that you threw out at Keenum for weeks and all of the posters you criticized as well and lied on time and time again. Had you just came out at this point and admitted that you were wrong about the kid and that he has shown that he can play, then no big deal. But you're actually back here still trashing this kid and proclaiming Smith as some sort of benchmark? Lol! LIke I said before you are a total clown and you just want Keenum to fail so you can say that you were right.
I don't need to feel validated about being right or wrong on an internet chat board, and again throw up a post where I went out of my way to bash Keenum or his krew, you won't find it just making an ass out of yourself for not being able to control your anger. It's funny. Since my posts are soooo mean and filled with spite just click the ignore button next to my avatar, you won't be the first or last and trust me, you won't hurt my feelings.
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Smith can't beat you by himself, but he isn't losing games either.
You obviously don't realize how ridiculous you sound. Keenum played great, but not great enough to beat anyone by himself. But he isn't losing games either. Same exact statement applies. But whereas Smith has that badass defense backing him up and a kicker that doesn't miss every other kick, Keenum has crap in those areas, and a suspect (at best) O-Line.

The fact of the matter is the win-loss record has very little to do with how good a QB is directly. A QB's play influences it, but so does the rest of the team. Therefore, you end up with QBs that play well, but the team loses while others play poorly (like Smith) and win. Smith did NOTHING for his team yesterday, but they won. That is not a great QB, that is a great team.

tl;dr = Keenum is a better QB than Smith through the past two games.
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You obviously don't realize how ridiculous you sound. Keenum played great, but not great enough to beat anyone by himself. But he isn't losing games either. Same exact statement applies. But whereas Smith has that badass defense backing him up and a kicker that doesn't miss every other kick, Keenum has crap in those areas, and a suspect (at best) O-Line.

The fact of the matter is the win-loss record has very little to do with how good a QB is directly. A QB's play influences it, but so does the rest of the team. Therefore, you end up with QBs that play well, but the team loses while others play poorly (like Smith) and win. Smith did NOTHING for his team yesterday, but they won. That is not a great QB, that is a great team.

tl;dr = Keenum is a better QB than Smith through the past two games.

I can respect that, through 2 games Keenum is a better QB than Smith, I can't argue that. At the same time I happen to feel like a QB has to make some plays in the clutch, to win games. Case has shown some skills, I just wish one of those great plays came late in the game and directly influenced a victory.
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I don't need to feel validated about being right or wrong on an internet chat board, and again throw up a post where I went out of my way to bash Keenum or his krew, you won't find it just making an ass out of yourself for not being able to control your anger. It's funny. Since my posts are soooo mean and filled with spite just click the ignore button next to my avatar, you won't be the first or last and trust me, you won't hurt my feelings.
Your posts are all over the place dude. LoL! You think I need to go out and find them. I will in some cases, but you have to many for me to even waste my time. You've been one of the biggest Keenum bashers on this site. Hell, I don't think I've seen you discuss anything other subject other then how bad Keenum will look and how disappointed we'll all be if he ever plays. You even said one time that you wanted him to play just so we all could finally see how silly it was to think he ever had a chance.

Well sorry bucko, the game is over. Keenum has played, and he put all of the doubts to rest. He hasn't even thrown any picks and just outplayed Andrew Luck last night. The fact that you still have the nerve to come in here and act like you have a case is mind boggling honestly. The fact that you're even having to compare him to Luck is a compliment in itself to Keenum and yet you can't even comprehend that or make the connection.
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I can respect that, through 2 games Keenum is a better QB than Smith, I can't argue that.
But yet you brought up Smith as a benchmark and acted like Keenum couldn't even compare to him and tried to bring up his wins vs. Keenum's losses? Sorry, but that's conflicting arguments all together.
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I can respect that, through 2 games Keenum is a better QB than Smith, I can't argue that. At the same time I happen to feel like a QB has to make some plays in the clutch, to win games. Case has shown some skills, I just wish one of those great plays came late in the game and directly influenced a victory.
Well, Case got his team into FG range a few times in the second half. Granted, those aren't TDs, but it's not like he never made any plays in the second half to help his team win. And the inexperience thing is absolutely a valid point, because all players get graded on a scale based on experience. You expect Schaub to be a better QB than Keenum. He's been in the league longer, been a starter longer, and been in the system longer. You expect Smith to be a better QB than Keenum, if you think Smith is a legitimate starting QB. He's been in the NFL as a starter longer and has more experience.

What did Alex Smith do yesterday in the clutch to win that game? The correct answer is he went over to his defense and told them to play better.

I am not and have never been a fan of putting the wins and losses on the QB, because by that measure, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were great QBs and Rex Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl.
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Smith is a more athletic Matt Schaub.
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That loss didn't look like it was Keenam's fault. He did fine..the kicker however needs an asswhpiing and a pink slip
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Pretty much. Smith cannot go down the field and other teams don't have to worry about that with him. He is a total game manager.
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Your posts are all over the place dude. LoL! You think I need to go out and find them. I will in some cases, but you have to many for me to even waste my time. You've been one of the biggest Keenum bashers on this site. Hell, I don't think I've seen you discuss anything other subject other then how bad Keenum will look and how disappointed we'll all be if he ever plays. Hat You even said one time that you wanted him to play just so we all could finally see how silly it was to think he ever had a chance.

Well sorry bucko, the game is ovem has played, and he put all of the doubts to rest. He hasn't even thrown any picks and just outplayed Andrew Luck last night. The fact that you still have the nerve to come in here and act like you have a case is mind boggling honestly. The fact that you're even having to compare him to Luck is a complimen t in itself to Keenum and yet you can't even comprehend that or make the connection.
You're a liar, simple as that. You got mad at my comment and lumped me into Keenum Haters Club, and nothing is further from the truth. Like I've maintained throughout, I'm not gonna get emotionally invested until he proves he can win games, stats don't tell the complete story.
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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

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You're a liar, simple as that. You got mad at my comment and lumped me into Keenum Haters Club, and nothing is further from the truth. Like I've maintained throughout, I'm not gonna get emotionally invested until he proves he can win games, stats don't tell the complete story.
I'm a liar but in this very thread you're acting like Keenum wasn't impressive because he didn't win the game in the clutch and saying that he's no Alex Smith? Lol! Dude, you're just comical at this point.

Go ahead and make another long winded post about how he doesn't have the arm strength for the NFL some more or another fictitious claim that everyone thinks he is the next Tom Brady.
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Smith is a more athletic Matt Schaub.
A three toed sloth is more athletic than Schaub

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Default Re: Case Keenum vs Andrew Luck

Just heard something on the radio akin to:

"keenum has the highest quarterback rating in NFL history when
considering only a QB's first two starts..."

He will definitely struggle at some point, but to say he hasn't
hit the ground running is an understatement..

Don't know if it's true, but if it is -- impressive for a guy that
no one gave two chits of a thought about in the draft..

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