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Old 11-03-2013   #21
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What about them people who started comparing Luck with Manning even before before he played a single down in the NFL?
same as i regard this thread. we can have a discussion on where we think case's potential can take him. but making a direct comparison between him and luck, to me, is ludicrous
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same as i regard this thread. we can have a discussion on where we think case's potential can take him. but making a direct comparison between him and luck, to me, is ludicrous
You're right. It's unfair to compare the 2. Luck has Vinetari while Case has, well, Bullock.
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Andrew Luck was the #1 overall pick and is a hell of a QB. Case Keenum outplayed him tonight and I'm loving everything he's shown his first two games.
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You're right. It's unfair to compare the 2. Luck has Vinetari while Case has, well, Bullock.
yeah unfortunately your right as well
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same as i regard this thread. we can have a discussion on where we think case's potential can take him. but making a direct comparison between him and luck, to me, is ludicrous
I don't compare their achievements, but I don't see any problem with people wanting to compare/contrast their skill sets, intangibles, etc.

Keenum actually had more football experience than Luck.
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I don't compare their achievements, but I don't see any problem with people wanting to compare/contrast their skill sets, intangibles, etc.

Keenum actually had more football experience than Luck.
at a college level you can compare i think its to hard to compare at an NFL level.

i have seen your posts from years back in the college football section and know that you have evaluated Keenum really well so i won't dispute your evaluations but for some, making comparisons based on 2 games on NFL by Keenum to Luck's year and a half is irrelevant.
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Keenum.
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I think Keenum has the potential to be a great QB. I would like to see him when teams have more game film on him.

Luck seems to have the ability to play well when he needs to. He reminds me of Flacco last season though. He looks terrible statistically but his teams end up winning. I think that our defense gave him a window that a better defense would not have. He took the opportunity and won.

I will pass judgement on Luck after another season or 2. I think he will likely struggle in the playoffs. Winning in the regular season isn't as important to me.
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I just don't understand the Keenum love on this forum.

He looks great when chucking it downfield or making plays off schedule, but he struggles reading defenses, running the offense and making consistent plays within the system.

When the opponent takes away the deep routes, he looks very ordinary. You're not going to win a lot of games relying on low percentage deep passes and scrambling around for 5 seconds waiting for things to develop. He needs to work on functioning within the offense if he's going to have any chance of being the long term answer.

Can he do that? Of course. A lot of it is instincts and intelligence, but the rest is knowledge, dedication, practice and experience. He's definitely shown the flashes to make you want to see him grow, but a lot of guys have flashed only to burn out. I think you need 6-8 games to form a realistic opinion on how well he can play. Teams are going to adjust, take away his strengths and then we'll see if he can develop into a complete QB. He certainly didn't do anything tonight that makes Kubiak want to rush Schaub back out with his crippled foot and ankle, so it looks like we're going to get to see what Keenum is made of. Let's hope he's more Drew Brees and less Ryan Fitzpatrick.

As far as Luck goes, he was pretty poor in the first half, but there wasn't a lot to criticize in the second.
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I just don't understand the Keenum love on this forum.

He looks great when chucking it downfield or making plays off schedule, but he struggles reading defenses, running the offense and making consistent plays within the system.

When the opponent takes away the deep routes, he looks very ordinary. You're not going to win a lot of games relying on low percentage deep passes and scrambling around for 5 seconds waiting for things to develop. He needs to work on functioning within the offense if he's going to have any chance of being the long term answer.

Can he do that? Of course. A lot of it is instincts and intelligence, but the rest is knowledge, dedication, practice and experience. He's definitely shown the flashes to make you want to see him grow, but a lot of guys have flashed only to burn out. I think you need 6-8 games to form a realistic opinion on how well he can play. Teams are going to adjust, take away his strengths and then we'll see if he can develop into a complete QB. He certainly didn't do anything tonight that makes Kubiak want to rush Schaub back out with his crippled foot and ankle, so it looks like we're going to get to see what Keenum is made of. Let's hope he's more Drew Brees and less Ryan Fitzpatrick.

As far as Luck goes, he was pretty poor in the first half, but there wasn't a lot to criticize in the second.
apparently the colts and chiefs forums and coaches think case has a great future. J McClain gave hime an A today. Go look on FB with the Keenum comments. the kid can play.

bullock making at least 1 out of 3 FG's makes the colts have to force things. yeah case can improve, but we've seen already an improvement when the colts went all out on some heavy blitz schemes.
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Case is average. Luck a baller. Its that simple people. Luck has IT in the fourth qtr.
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Case is average. Luck a baller. Its that simple people. Luck has IT in the fourth qtr.
That comeback was entirely down to Bullock being a bad kicker.
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But Andrew Luck has yet to impress me.
Man, this guy must have made a pass at your wife or something for you to have this much denial at his talents. Almost half of his wins are from 4th quarter comebacks. He's already damn near broke that record in his first two years in the NFL and the 2nd season is barely half over.

I thought Luck were borderline elite before this game. This game put him in that status. But I don't think he will put up elite fantasy numbers b/c of the system, o-line, and lack of supporting offensive cast. And yet this dude came here in our place, against battle red, against an inspired crowd and it was business as usual.

One thing I know for certain Luck has over Keenum is his ability to maneuver in the pocket with subtle movement to avoid pass rush. Keenum will take the long way out by running toward the sidelines. Luck will calmly sidestep that oncoming rush while remaining in the pocket like that rusher were never there. If Keenum has that savvy in the pocket I take him in a heartbeat.
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Case is average. Luck a baller. Its that simple people. Luck has IT in the fourth qtr.
Is this a joke? All Keenum did was march the offense down the field with 30 or whatever seconds left on the clock and no timeouts to give FAT RANDY a reasonable shot at a field goal.

Please tell me out of the two, which one is more "baller":

18/40
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or...

20/34
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That comeback was entirely down to Bullock being a bad kicker.
Case 0 pts two fourth qtrs. Schaub all over again. Fast start then fade.
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Case 0 pts two fourth qtrs. Schaub all over again. Fast start then fade.
Does Case kick ****ing field goals?
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apparently the colts and chiefs forums and coaches think case has a great future. J McClain gave hime an A today. Go look on FB with the Keenum comments. the kid can play.

bullock making at least 1 out of 3 FG's makes the colts have to force things. yeah case can improve, but we've seen already an improvement when the colts went all out on some heavy blitz schemes.
Fans love the highlight/lowlight reel and tend to blank on everything else. Coaches always talk up the opponent. It would be impolitic not too, and it makes them look better when they make the team they just played out to be good.

John McClain is arguably the most clueless sports analyst anywhere, ever. He was a VY homer too.
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Fans love the highlight/lowlight reel and tend to blank on everything else. Coaches always talk up the opponent. It would be impolitic not too, and it makes them look better when they make the team they just played out to be good.

John McClain is arguably the most clueless sports analyst anywhere, ever. He was a VY homer too.
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Is this a joke? All Keenum did was march the offense down the field with 30 or whatever seconds left on the clock and no timeouts to give FAT RANDY a reasonable shot at a field goal.

Please tell me out of the two, which one is more "baller":

18/40
271 yds
3 TDs

or...

20/34
350 yds
3 TDs
Luck has the W. Nuff said good buddy. Luck 15 pts in fourth Case 0. Pts win not total yds . Nor time of possession. Schaub has stats that amounted to a bunch of nothing
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