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Old 07-11-2005   #1
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QB Debate: David Carr vs. Byron Leftwich
Jul 10, 2005 by Bill Walker


One of the more difficult fantasy draft picks this season, may be the backup QB, the spot starter or bye week replacement for your stud QB. Not to say that Byron Leftwich of the Jacksonville Jaguars or David Carr of the Houston Texans could not have a breakout year and carry your team as a regular starter, but neither of them have had that sort of season. Both are rising QBs, tough, physical, big, and full of potential.
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Given the statistics of Byron Leftwich and David Carr are so similar, a fantasy franchise owner may have to go on things like strength of schedule, gut instinct, and surrounding support cast. Since gut instinct varies from person to person and Strength of Schedule is highly unreliable in this writer’s opinion (And both teams are in the AFC South so differences in SOS are minimal), the nod would have to go to Leftwich. Jacksonville has a better support system surrounding Leftwich. WRs Jimmy Smith, Reggie Williams, Troy Edwards, Matt Jones, and Ernest Wilford give Leftwich a more reliable corps of WRs to throw to than Houston’s Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford, and Jabar Gaffney.
Really? The Jags top 4 WRs last season combined for 170-2244-10. The top 4 Texan WRs (include Armstrong) totaled 176-2588-12. Both teams picked up project WRs in the draft (Matt Jones & Jerome Mathis). I can't see where Leftwich has more reliable receivers than does Carr. And I'm not even including Domanick Davis, who's more productive as a receiver than anyone the Jags bring out of the backfield.

I think the author is correct that little seperates Carr & Leftwich fantasy wise. I'd rate both in the 10-15 area as far as QB ratings. As far as who will be the better QB on the field, I'll go with Carr. Based on "gut instinct".
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Also Jerome Mathis isn't half the project that Matt Jones is, seeing how he actually played WR in colllege.
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All I know is if you have Leftwich as your backup and he is facing the Texans the week your starter has a bye you might think about leaving you starter in. When was the last time Leftwich scored a touchdown against the Texans?
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Besides you have to consider that Carr will beat Leftwich twice this season.
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Besides you have to consider that Carr will beat Leftwich twice this season.
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For the Texans receiving corps to improve, Jabar Gaffney will have to step up to be the kind of impact player he was in college. I believe he can, after all, he's only 24 after 3 seasons in the NFL. Plus, over half of his receiving yards last year came on 3rd down. Corey Bradford is as good as he ever will be, and is not #2 caliber. I think Andre Johnson will put up top-5 WR numbers this year and in the future, but he can't do it by himself.
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Gaffney lead the Texans in YPC (yes, more than Andre Johnson), had the longest pass play from scrimmage last year, and Carr threw to Gaffney 21 times on third down in 2004 and completed each pass for a first down. Some of Gaffney's lack of production comes out of the fact that Carr isn't one of the better QB's at scanning the field and reading defenses and will look to his primary too long and just dump the ball off to Dom. If you really break down Carr's passes over the 4 years he has always had trouble identifying his mid-read options. His rookie year was all Bradford (first read) and Billy Miller (last read - safety valve at that time). Not much in the middle then either.
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Carr is the QB i would go with out of the two.If he has the targets to throw to, he will hit them consistently.
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Carr is able to scramble for the occasional 10-yard run. Leftwhich is not able to do that as much. They both have made some nice TD passes. They both have thrown untimely int's and had fumbles. Leftwhich had an advantage in Fred Taylor as a RB, until he was hurt. Now I think DD is going to be better than anyone the Jags have at the moment to help draw attention from their respective QB's. I am not sure, but the Texans OL could not have gotten much worse in pass protection and we still swept the Jags. I would take Carr over Leftwhich.
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"Houston has not shown the marked improvement one would like to see, even in an expansion team."

...bet this guy doesn't know most Texans fans will be happy with a one
game improvement this year to 8-8...but, he makes a good point about
our consistency and the last 9 games last year--oh,well, he'll just have
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Only 6 teams won more than 10 games last year. I guess we should have been one of them.
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Of course you will all take Carr, you are all Texans fans.

At least Leftwich can beat Manning.
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Of course you will all take Carr, you are all Texans fans.

At least Leftwich can beat Manning.

True. Beating Manning and the Colts is something to hang your hat on. I'm hoping Carr and the Texans can at least get a split with him this year. I'd rather be over .500 and not get swept by the Colts again than beat the Jags twice in 2005.
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Some of Gaffney's lack of production comes out of the fact that Carr isn't one of the better QB's at scanning the field and reading defenses and will look to his primary too long and just dump the ball off to Dom. If you really break down Carr's passes over the 4 years he has always had trouble identifying his mid-read options.
I'll buy that, though some of it was protection-related (AKA O-Line suckage). Gaffney really impressed me last year with his willingness to make the kind of over-the-middle catches that Keyshawn is famous for.
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Of course you will all take Carr, you are all Texans fans.

At least Leftwich can beat Manning.
So... Leftwich was 1 and 3 vs. the Colts/Texans this season... Good point.
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you have to take carr in this one because just look at the number of times he has been sacked. i would like to see leftwich put up those numbers while getting sacked 40 times a season
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you have to take carr in this one because just look at the number of times he has been sacked. i would like to see leftwich put up those numbers while getting sacked 40 times a season
I know several of you have stats for 'everything' so how about letting
us no how many sacks were Carr's fault last year because--

1) runs out of bounds behind line of scrimage (counts as a sack in the
NFL) instead of throwing the ball away
2) holds on to the ball too long
3) weak at reading defense--looks primarily for 1st read and then check
valve
4) bales out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure

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I know several of you have stats for 'everything' so how about letting
us no how many sacks were Carr's fault last year because--

1) runs out of bounds behind line of scrimage (counts as a sack in the
NFL) instead of throwing the ball away
2) holds on to the ball too long
3) weak at reading defense--looks primarily for 1st read and then check
valve
4) bales out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure

...thanks!
k so you'd rather him throw and INT instead of runnin out of bounds or throwing it away and possibly gettin a flag. or you'd rather him throw it away with the first sign of pressure than hold on to it and try to make somethin happen or here this is the best one you'd rather him sit in the pocket knowing what will happened which has happened 140 times before that the O-line wont hold up and get his head ripped off. i dunno but the pressure being in his face isnt his fault.....thax!
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"and possibly gettin a flag. "

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