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Accordingly if it were not for the ACL in 2011 and then later affected his senior year and combine that he would have been drafted and ranked higher. As a UFDA if he gets back to pre injury condition and it’s now late 2013 a source says http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130757/ray-graham that it usually takes about 2 years to fully recover from ACL. Just sharing this (hopefully in right thread) pending any other RB3 pickups before deadline http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/...es-ray-graham/
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Accordingly if it were not for the ACL in 2011 and then later affected his senior year and combine that he would have been drafted and ranked higher. As a UFDA if he gets back to pre injury condition and it’s now late 2013 a source says http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130757/ray-graham that it usually takes about 2 years to fully recover from ACL. Just sharing this (hopefully in right thread) pending any other RB3 pickups before deadline http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/...es-ray-graham/
And most ACL players regain usually only ~80% pre-injury performance. AP should not be used as a typical example. Graham looked anything but impressive in the preseason. He was put on the PS more for longer term "potential" (and how many times have we missed this year alone on "potential"?), otherwise Karim would have definitely been a Texan (Johnson became a non-factor as he couldn't hold onto his shorts, let alone the ball). I can't get too excited about Graham.
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The ZBS turns mailmen and grocery baggers into pro bowlers, not too worried about finding a warm body as long as he isn't asked to run out of the pistol.
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The ZBS turns mailmen and grocery baggers into pro bowlers, not too worried about finding a warm body as long as he isn't asked to run out of the pistol.
The only difference between the Pistol and our regular offense is the shotgun snap. We can run all of the same stuff we usually do. Only the snap is different.
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Oh ok 80%. I thought that stat was asking for a lot to come back on. Anyways there sure is a lot of losing players movement from positions in just the last two weeks. What a first half of a season..................Guess we'll see what the deadline brings during bye week sure got some glaring problems going on......
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And most ACL players regain usually only ~80% pre-injury performance. AP should not be used as a typical example. Graham looked anything but impressive in the preseason. He was put on the PS more for longer term "potential" (and how many times have we missed this year alone on "potential"?), otherwise Karim would have definitely been a Texan (Johnson became a non-factor as he couldn't hold onto his shorts, let alone the ball). I can't get too excited about Graham.
I DISAGREE completely about Graham, he impressed in the SMALL amount of time he played....watch out for this guy, I think he will be a stud especially in the ZBS
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The only difference between the Pistol and our regular offense is the shotgun snap. We can run all of the same stuff we usually do. Only the snap is different.
pretty sure the RB is also 4 more yards behind the LOS in the pistol than if the QB is under center, TBH i did not like the pistol last week. Maybe i would have if i could of actually seen how the running game looked out of it, but we didnt get to see that aspect of it haha
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makes the decision to cut woods look even worse.

The decision to cut all three players looks pretty excessive to me.

They should have fined and suspended them. These are young guys, people make mistake.

I dont understand this zero tolerance policy. Draconian laws have no business in the nf where young players are bound to do stupid things.

These guys play football for a living. Not running for president or pope. Certain leeway should be afforded.
All of these guys had trouble in college. I'm sure they were known how little leeway they had when they were signed.

They couldn't even make it halfway through the season before doing something stupid. I don't think this is a case of Draconian laws. This is a case of taking a chance on some guys and them not respecting that.
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that's college. they should have a clean slate when they came to the texans.

You think kubiak held it against them that they got in trouble in college?

That's just dumb.
he has not signed people before based on problems in college, they have talked about it also. How they only like to bring a certain kind of person to the team. Hell look at our roster and tell me who u see as past trouble makers, and look at our guys and tell me who you see that is ever in trouble now compared to most teams.
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makes the decision to cut woods look even worse.

The decision to cut all three players looks pretty excessive to me.

They should have fined and suspended them. These are young guys, people make mistake.

I dont understand this zero tolerance policy. Draconian laws have no business in the nf where young players are bound to do stupid things.

These guys play football for a living. Not running for president or pope. Certain leeway should be afforded.
Who the hell can honestly say this was their first offense since joining the Texans? The Texans have a track record of working with players, so I highly doubt they just cut three guys due to one **** up. Just because nothing was every reported earlier before, doesn't mean they had a clean track record and just now happened to screw up.. I mean it's not like these guys have been active all season are have been getting playing time or something.


Good riddance to all 3, we're 2-5 and these guys weren't even getting burn, so I highly doubt these guys were going to help save the season anyways and I don't want my team carrying dumbasses going any further into the future. Right now is the perfect time to get rid of the idiots on this roster who suffer from "head up ass" disease.
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that still doesnt explain wolverine's reasoning.

They got in trouble in college so they should get no leeway in the nfl?

That makes no sense whatsoever. Cutting the players was the wrong move. They should have fined or suspended them.
No they should have cut them.. hence while they're cut.

You actually have to show that you're worth keeping around and are worth the headache to get forwarded the type of "leeway" you're talking about. Apparently these guys were obviously more trouble than they were worth to the team. Especially fat ass lazy Sam, who was cut even though he was taken in the 3rd round. You don't just cut 3rd rounders for a rule infraction, it's pretty obvious he was cut, because the Texans lost faith in his ability to become a player for them on the field.

Just because "they're football players" and not the president of the united states, doesn't excuse them of all bad behavior and doesn't mean they aren't grown ass men who should behave like responsible adults. I'm so sick of the coddle mentality, that's been one of the problems here.. Now all of those others who might have been "slipping" get to watch and learn what happens to you if you can't remove head from ass.. You get put back on the unemployment line. It's a privilege to play in the NFL so they should've respected it more.
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pretty sure the RB is also 4 more yards behind the LOS in the pistol than if the QB is under center, TBH i did not like the pistol last week. Maybe i would have if i could of actually seen how the running game looked out of it, but we didnt get to see that aspect of it haha
RB lines up the same distance (7 yds). The QB and FB are the only guys who move. The Pistol actually helps the RB. Instead of running forward at the snap for the handoff, the RB takes a hop step instead and gets to read the defense for an extra second before getting the handoff.

The reason we got blown up running it last week is 1) we were playing the best front seven in the league and 2) we had a young QB making his 1st start (thus, stacked box).
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RB lines up the same distance (7 yds). The QB and FB are the only guys who move. The Pistol actually helps the RB. Instead of running forward at the snap for the handoff, the RB takes a hop step instead and gets to read the defense for an extra second before getting the handoff.

The reason we got blown up running it last week is 1) we were playing the best front seven in the league and 2) we had a young QB making his 1st start (thus, stacked box).
Chiefs may be solid at rushing the passer but their run D has been suspect, wouldnt of mattered anyways we didnt have any RBs to see how we looked running out of the pistol anyways.
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that's college. they should have a clean slate when they came to the texans.

You think kubiak held it against them that they got in trouble in college?

That's just dumb.
Off the top of my head... Da'Rick Rogers, Vontaze Burfict, Cliff Harris. All players with 1st round talent that went undrafted because of their history in college.

Of course character matters. It's on the scouting report right next to their 40 time.

Also, this discussion was already had in the other thread. Let's talk about Graham.
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Just a thought, but what if the Texans resign Cierre Wood? Give him a week off for punishment and just bring him back? IMO, Tate is probably done for most of the regular season. It'll be ~ week 13 before he'll be healed up from broken ribs (assuming Kubiak doesn't get stupid and play him against Indy or he has any setbacks, cuz injured Texans are notorious for setbacks from "minor" injuries), so they should seriously consider IR'ing Tate, bringing Wood back and bring Graham up.

I'd play Wood and Graham against Indy, give Foster enough time to heal up, then make Graham the 3rd RB. Makes sense to me, anyway.

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I think Graham will be brought up from the practice squad, and:
a) Dennis Johnson signed off Cleveland's practice squad
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Chiefs may be solid at rushing the passer but their run D has been suspect, wouldnt of mattered anyways we didnt have any RBs to see how we looked running out of the pistol anyways.
We've been running out of the pistol all year. The fact that you haven't noticed suggests it's not a big deal.
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A .25 derringer hardly qualifies as a "pistol". More like a pop gun.
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that still doesnt explain wolverine's reasoning.

They got in trouble in college so they should get no leeway in the nfl?

That makes no sense whatsoever. Cutting the players was the wrong move. They should have fined or suspended them.
Your leeway is getting the chance to actually play for an NFL team. What you do in college definitely matters because it begins a pattern. Take Willie Jefferson. He was with Baylor so got a great opportunity. What did he do with it? Basically he smoked it away with repeated drug tests that he failed. So now he has another chance and opportunity in the pros and what does he do? The same damn thing.

It's hard to argue that if you just slap their wrists they will learn and not repeat it because they already made it part of their pattern. In the NFL you don't always have the luxury of growing up.
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makes the decision to cut woods look even worse.

The decision to cut all three players looks pretty excessive to me.

They should have fined and suspended them. These are young guys, people make mistake.

I dont understand this zero tolerance policy. Draconian laws have no business in the nf where young players are bound to do stupid things.

These guys play football for a living. Not running for president or pope. Certain leeway should be afforded.
You sound like the kind of person who has no accountability in his life. The Texans make a lot of really bad decisions, but cutting some immature players who are unappreciative of the career they get to have as professional football players that are bench players on top of that is not one of them. This is just bad timing from a RB stand point I applaud their decision to cut a few knuckleheads from a 2-5 team. Get them the hell out of here.
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