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Old 10-26-2013   #241
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So are you guys arguing that the draft is a crap shoot?
For Rick it is.

And he craps out more often than not.


Bottom line is after the 2010 debacle Rick/Gary spent big $$$$ to sign Manning/JoJo in FA to save their jobs. This eliminated their margin for error when it camt to extending players. (Schaub/Lesser extent Cusshing)

When your hands are tied by the cap and the Texans are. You have to be able to hit on atleast 3-4 of your draft picks, including 1 star level pick and 2-3 player that can come in and contribute immediately. That's if they are going to compete on the level of the Pats/Broncos/Cokts etc....

This is where Rick/Gary have failed as leaders of the Texans orgs on field product and a large reason the Texans stand where they are today.
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When your hands are tied by the cap and the Texans are. You have to be able to hit on atleast 3-4 of your draft picks, including 1 star level pick and 2-3 player that can come in and contribute immediately. That's if they are going to compete on the level of the Pats/Broncos/Cokts etc....

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I was with you until you said Patriots.
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I hate the Cokts!!!
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I hate the Cokts!!!
I think we have a winner in the "re-name Indy" contest.
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Jefferson is meeting with the hags some time:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...t-Jaguars.html

Montgomery visited with the Bengals last week. Haven't heard Wood being wooed by anyone yet surprisingly.
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Jefferson is meeting with the hags some time:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...t-Jaguars.html

Montgomery visited with the Bengals last week. Haven't heard Wood being wooed by anyone yet surprisingly.
Wood also hasn't published a voluntary drug screen.
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Wood also hasn't published a voluntary drug screen.
He sure did:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8667/cierre-wood
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Yea, undoubtedly the same "unsupervised" one that Sam Montgomery posted.
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Would love to see the Texans sign Patrick Edwards.

The dude was magic with Keenum, he could be had cheaply,
he has much better hands than Keyshawn, and is just as solid
of a returner as well..

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Just curious, if Texans did not keep the "cigar" as evidence or do immediate drug test, what recourse do players have?
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Just curious, if Texans did not keep the "cigar" as evidence or do immediate drug test, what recourse do players have?
Just an assumption but...I'm sure that smoking anything in the hotel is against team rules. They admitted they were smoking. What recourse should they have? Besides - the Texans don't have to say what rule was broken. These guys could have all been released for any reason the team wanted to come up with. It happens every week in the NFL. Breaking curfew, missing meetings, poor practice performance, injuries... The players that were released said it was for smoking. We can all speculate that this was just a "last straw" situation.
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I'd like to see if the three players would actually let the league do a hair follicle test on them. Only until then would I believe that they weren't smoking pot.
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I'd like to see if the three players would actually let the league do a hair follicle test on them. Only until then would I believe that they weren't smoking pot.
Why is the burden of proof on the players? The marijuana slant was started by ESPN. Does ESPN have anything other than speculation and conjecture to back up their claims?
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Why is the burden of proof on the players? The marijuana slant was started by ESPN. Does ESPN have anything other than speculation and conjecture to back up their claims?
I completely agree but...all 3 players submitted to voluntary drug tests already. The problem is those tests are easy to cheat. If you are really innocent and want to resurrect a career with potential millions at stake, you submit to whatever tests teams require.
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Dishman- Totally off topic but my step son plays flag football in a Cypress little league and Cris Dishman's son is also in the league and the kid is a freaking beast. It's seriously like watching a man play against a bunch of kids. When he gets the ball, he literally will not have a flag pulled. After a while, the coaches take him out because it's just really not fair. On defense, he will bee-line from the opposite end of the field and somehow be the one who pulls the flag. I saw Dishman himself at the game but didn't want to bother him.

Anyways, just saw your username reminded me of that. Carry on...
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I completely agree but...all 3 players submitted to voluntary drug tests already. The problem is those tests are easy to cheat. If you are really innocent and want to resurrect a career with potential millions at stake, you submit to whatever tests teams require.
NFL Players, FAs or otherwise, can via the NFLPA request the NFL to test them anytime...............evidently, none of the three did.........for probably good reason........
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Why is the burden of proof on the players?
Because the folks that need to believe these players are in compliance with the NFL drug policy are the decision makers for the other 31 NFL teams. The players can claim innocent until proven guilty, they can provide a successfully passed test they took outside the auspices of NFL oversight, and they could even potentially win a grievance against the Texans, but in the court of the real-world NFL, their innocence (or alternately, their ability to become innocent and stay that way) is 100% at the discretion of other teams who can place that burden upon them if they so choose.
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I completely agree but...all 3 players submitted to voluntary drug tests already. The problem is those tests are easy to cheat. If you are really innocent and want to resurrect a career with potential millions at stake, you submit to whatever tests teams require.
But if ESPN doesn't rumor-monger then do those players even need to submit to testing?
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Dishman- Totally off topic but my step son plays flag football in a Cypress little league and Cris Dishman's son is also in the league and the kid is a freaking beast. It's seriously like watching a man play against a bunch of kids. When he gets the ball, he literally will not have a flag pulled. After a while, the coaches take him out because it's just really not fair. On defense, he will bee-line from the opposite end of the field and somehow be the one who pulls the flag. I saw Dishman himself at the game but didn't want to bother him.

Anyways, just saw your username reminded me of that. Carry on...
That pretty cool! Used to live in Cypress myself a few years back until I was married off to Kingwood. I hope his kid turns out to be a beast (your stepson, too)!
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