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Old 10-29-2013   #441
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Just because u give a signing bonus,doest mean you have to prorate it over 5 yrs or however long the contract is. Teams will use roster bonus,signing bonus,workout bonus that doesn't have to be ammoritized. They paid the money upfront without stretching it out. He had 17m in bonus money, that was paid already so if a situation like this can be resolved without a big hit.
You're either not reading what was already explained to you by 3 different people, or you don't understand the difference between paying a player and taking a cap hit for what's been paid.
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The dna for that qb isn't really hard to diagnose. Elway,cutler,rogers,mcnabb,rg3,steve young,brett favre. Compare those guys arm talent and skillset to case keenum or schaub. There is no comparison. .
how are you going to compare case to elite qbs when he hasn't even played at home yet and hasn't had time to adjust? give the guy some room.

remember, case played the best among the other 7 teams this year against the chiefs. he's better than all those guys.

there's a thread on here with a bunch a people saying case would never start in the pros. there's a bunch of people that said case would miserably fail against the best defense in the chiefs and we'd be seeing pick 6's. case is short and he's going to have a lot of balls batted down.

i'll take a young case than those terrible plays favre and mcnabb has made at the end of their career. not saying case is the savior but he'll need some time to grow.
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I aint gonna lie I did this when I heard Case was the starter, and Schaub is being evaluated on a weekly basis.

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People keep saying that the play calling changed. Is that really true? Other than playing out of the pistol formation instead of from under the center, the offense is still the same. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I thought I saw was Keenum looking for receivers deep more than Schaub and not just checking down on every play. He was able to extend a few plays with his mobility, and we know that's something Schaub can't do. Later in the game, Kubiak's hand was forced due to injuries to RB's and he had to go with empty backfield, but I don't think he's going to choose to do that if he has a healthy RB. It's not like Kubiak CALLS a 1 yd pass to RB in the flat, it's just the last option on the play, and it's up to the QB to decide where to go with the ball.
You're right for the most part, the plays Kubiak has been calling for Case aren't much different from the plays he calls for Matt. Matt decides where to throw the ball. If you were at our previous home games, you should have seen Andre & Hopkins getting all kinds of open... but they weren't "open enough" for Schaub.

At the same time, Kubiak was running more 3 WR sets than he had in the past & taking that shot into the end-zone on 3rd & 3... it's been a long time since I've seen Kubiak take a shot on that down & distance (then again, that could very well be Schaub checking down, or playing for the first down instead of the touch down).
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They didnt stretch his bonus money.
Yeah, they did. If the entire bonus had hit the cap upon signing, Schaub's cap hit in 2012 would have been over $25 million. It wasn't.

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remember, case played the best among the other 7 teams this year against the chiefs. he's better than all those guys.
If you remember, a big knock on using stats to define Matt Schaub, is that this is a very QB friendly offense & Kubiak does a good job of getting guys wide open.

Remember, that Matt Schaub was a third round draft pick, his arm isn't anything to write home about, & Peyton Manning runs better than Schaub, but Kubiak has made him a viable starter.

& while our run game left with Arian early in the first qtr, we stuck with it enough to keep the defense honest, as our pass plays look exactly like our run plays for the first second or so.

To say that Case is better than Romo, Vick, or even Locker at this point... is putting the cart before the horse. Yes, he had a better game than they did, yes he had a better QB rating, but it's wishful thinking to expect Case to go toe to toe with Peyton Manning like Romo did or beat him like Luck did (& I don't like Luck).

This offense is perfect for him to grow into the best QB he can be. His time will come.
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how are you going to compare case to elite qbs when he hasn't even played at home yet and hasn't had time to adjust? give the guy some room.

remember, case played the best among the other 7 teams this year against the chiefs. he's better than all those guys.

there's a thread on here with a bunch a people saying case would never start in the pros. there's a bunch of people that said case would miserably fail against the best defense in the chiefs and we'd be seeing pick 6's. case is short and he's going to have a lot of balls batted down.

i'll take a young case than those terrible plays favre and mcnabb has made at the end of their career. not saying case is the savior but he'll need some time to grow.
I'm comparing his talent to the talent of those guys. There is a prototype to the kind of guy to run this system. Maybe case will be the next jeff garcia in this offense,I don't know. If he plays as well as garcia did in sf, is that good enough to contend for this division and a title? I'm not sure especially with luck in the same division.. I don't think they should pass a very talented qb thinking case could be like garcia either. Push comes to shove, you can trade case or the draft pick.
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I'm comparing his talent to the talent of those guys. There is a prototype to the kind of guy to run this system. Maybe case will be the next jeff garcia in this offense,I don't know. If he plays as well as garcia did in sf, is that good enough to contend for this division and a title? I'm not sure especially with luck in the same division.. I don't think they should pass a very talented qb thinking case could be like garcia either. Push comes to shove, you can trade case or the draft pick.
The next Jeff Garcia? Are you serious?
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how are you going to compare case to elite qbs when he hasn't even played at home yet and hasn't had time to adjust? give the guy some room.

remember, case played the best among the other 7 teams this year against the chiefs. he's better than all those guys.

there's a thread on here with a bunch a people saying case would never start in the pros. there's a bunch of people that said case would miserably fail against the best defense in the chiefs and we'd be seeing pick 6's. case is short and he's going to have a lot of balls batted down.

i'll take a young case than those terrible plays favre and mcnabb has made at the end of their career. not saying case is the savior but he'll need some time to grow.
The fact that Leebig has to pull out some pretty good names to talk down Keenum is quite telling.

That's good compliment for you there, Case.
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The fact that Leebig has to pull out some pretty good names to talk down Keenum is quite telling.

That's good compliment for you there, Case.
How is jeff garcia in sf a put down? 2 time pro bowler on merit and took sf to the playoffs.
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The next Jeff Garcia? Are you serious?
i dont know, garcia might be a good comparison, though case is infinitely more accurate. jeff at 25 years old, with proper coaching, in a tailor made system, and with today's weapons and rules might've been something special. as it was, he was a solid quarterback who took a declining 49'ers team as far as it would go and posted good QBR and TD/INT ratios on really bad teams. i think brees is another very similar player, though in more ideal situations.

to me case is exactly in that mold. the right combination of mobility outside of the pocket and especially inside, fantastic downfield touch, quick reads, just enough arm, and the guts and will power that makes a leader. kubiak would do well by going back in time to garcia, and sneaking looks into the saints' playbook. keenum can make serious moves with a somewhat "chaotic" gameplan - mixing in a ton of screens and draws, crossing routes, deep sideline and skinny posts, power runs, and rollouts. to make the most of a quarterback like keenum or garcia or brees, allow them to throw the kitchen sink at the defense. the disguise that we're familiar with from schaub isnt the correct approach with keenum IMO. he's much better off with a more diversified playbook.
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i dont know, garcia might be a good comparison, though case is infinitely more accurate. jeff at 25 years old, with proper coaching, in a tailor made system, and with today's weapons and rules might've been something special. as it was, he was a solid quarterback who took a declining 49'ers team as far as it would go and posted good QBR and TD/INT ratios on really bad teams. i think brees is another very similar player, though in more ideal situations.

to me case is exactly in that mold. the right combination of mobility outside of the pocket and especially inside, fantastic downfield touch, quick reads, just enough arm, and the guts and will power that makes a leader. kubiak would do well by going back in time to garcia, and sneaking looks into the saints' playbook. keenum can make serious moves with a somewhat "chaotic" gameplan - mixing in a ton of screens and draws, crossing routes, deep sideline and skinny posts, power runs, and rollouts. to make the most of a quarterback like keenum or garcia or brees, allow them to throw the kitchen sink at the defense. the disguise that we're familiar with from schaub isnt the correct approach with keenum IMO. he's much better off with a more diversified playbook.
Brees or Garcia. Wonder which one I'd rather have...
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How is jeff garcia in sf a put down? 2 time pro bowler on merit and took sf to the playoffs.
I didn't say anything about Garcia being a put down.

As far as arm strength is concerned, give me a good reason why I should trust your eyes over a speed gun.

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/...ine-2008-2012/

I'm good with Keenum ball velocity at 55 mph.
Same as Russell Wilson;
One mile faster than EJ Manuel, the last first rounder.
One mile slower than Cam Newton, a previous number one overall pick.
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Brees or Garcia. Wonder which one I'd rather have...
in the same time and situations, they may have been the same player. garcia holds the 49ers record for yardage in a season and is second in touchdowns - without rice and taylor. he did this at 30+ years old. to a lot of people jeff garcia is the epitome of "what could've been".

that's leaving the conversation though. what's being said is like garcia, young, brees, elway, etc ... keenum looks exactly like what a walsh WCO quarterback should look like. he has the exact same skillset.
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in the same time and situations, they may have been the same player. garcia holds the 49ers record for yardage in a season and is second in touchdowns - without rice and taylor. he did this at 30+ years old. to a lot of people jeff garcia is the epitome of "what could've been".
I never watched Garcia play so I can't speak to that, only his statistics and resume. Brees is miles ahead of him in this category. I'd much rather have Case become a Brees type than a Garcia type, for obvious reasons
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I didn't say anything about Garcia being a put down.

As far as arm strength is concerned, give me a good reason why I should trust your eyes over a speed gun.

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2013/03/27/...ine-2008-2012/

I'm good with Keenum ball velocity at 55 mph.
Same as Russell Wilson;
One mile faster than EJ Manuel, the last first rounder.
One mile slower than Cam Newton, a previous number one overall pick.
U don't have to believe my eyes ,use ur own. So tell me with a arm the same as wilson on the radar as you quoted he went undrafted because gms questioned his arm talent? No gm ever questioned wilson,cam,or manuels arm talent.
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U don't have to believe my eyes ,use ur own. So tell me with a arm the same as wilson on the radar as you quoted he went undrafted because gms questioned his arm talent? No gm ever questioned wilson,cam,or manuels arm talent.
I bet if Kolb wasn't such a colossal failure Keenum would have been drafted.

Had Kolb remained the starter in Philly & took that team into the play-offs, I bet Keenum would have been drafted on day 1.
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I bet if Kolb wasn't such a colossal failure Keenum would have been drafted.

Had Kolb remained the starter in Philly & took that team into the play-offs, I bet Keenum would have been drafted on day 1.
So why did shannahan give up 2 #1s and a 2nd for rg3? Lienhart was a bum and 3yrs later jets moved up to get sanchez.
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U don't have to believe my eyes ,use ur own. So tell me with a arm the same as wilson on the radar as you quoted he went undrafted because gms questioned his arm talent? No gm ever questioned wilson,cam,or manuels arm talent.
He can throw 50 yards into the wind, and he has the same velocity as Cam Newton and Joe Flacco, what more do you want?
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He can throw 50 yards into the wind, and he has the same velocity as Cam Newton and Joe Flacco, what more do you want?

Are u being serious or are u playing?
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