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Old 10-20-2013   #21
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Offensive line is a complete joke, and ultimately that goes back to Kubiak and that joker Rick Smith.

Kubiak logic: Play empty sets when it is obvious Kansas City is blitzing.
That same type of play resulted in a blitz beater earlier when Posey took a quick slant 40 yards ....
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Both options are crap. This game came down to 3rd downs on both sides of the ball. The defense stiffened in the 2nd half, but still gave up three long drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down and put the offense back out there. On offense, they converted 3rd downs early, but failed to do it in the 2nd half. It's combination of OL, QB, no running game, and no one getting open on those blitzes. You saw AJ get open on a hot read in the first half, but no one did that in the 2nd. A lot of the team failures that have been there all along showed up today, in part because the QB play didn't overshadow them so much. All 53 of them have work to do.
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Both options are crap. This game came down to 3rd downs on both sides of the ball. The defense stiffened in the 2nd half, but still gave up three long drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down and put the offense back out there. On offense, they converted 3rd downs early, but failed to do it in the 2nd half. It's combination of OL, QB, no running game, and no one getting open on those blitzes. You saw AJ get open on a hot read in the first half, but no one did that in the 2nd. A lot of the team failures that have been there all along showed up today, in part because the QB play didn't overshadow them so much. All 53 of them have work to do.
I agree .... I thought the coaches called a pretty solid game and had an excellent gameplan in place for Keenum. Then you take away the running game , playing from behind against a very good defense .... You get what we saw at the end of the game.


I'd like to throw a big heap of the blame on the coverage teams. They allowed a 57-yard kickoff return and a 26-yard punt return ....
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Until Coach Joe is fired I'm going to blame losses on Gary.

To win most games you've got to win 2 out of 3 phases of a game. Coach Joe spots the other team the St's phase of the game every week. That means the Texans have to win on offense/defense every week. They aren't good enough on offense to win that phase of the game consistently, which explains why the Texans are 2-5.

I learned the 3 phases of the game concept listening to Bud Grant and Jimmy Johnson.
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I agree .... I thought the coaches called a pretty solid game and had an excellent gameplan in place for Keenum. Then you take away the running game , playing from behind against a very good defense .... You get what we saw at the end of the game.


I'd like to throw a big heap of the blame on the coverage teams. They allowed a 57-yard kickoff return and a 26-yard punt return ....
That would be true for the last 12 years. For the life of me I can't figure out why Marciano is still on the Texans coaching staff, in any capacity.
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Until Coach Joe is fired I'm going to blame losses on Gary.

To win most games you've got to win 2 out of 3 phases of a game. Coach Joe spots the other team the St's phase of the game every week. That means the Texans have to win on offense/defense every week. They aren't good enough on offense to win that phase of the game consistently, which explains why the Texans are 2-5.
I learned the 3 phases of the game concept listening to Bud Grant and Jimmy Johnson.
Are you suggesting that the Texans D is playing stellar football? The defense has been as big a problem as any other during this losing streak. Losing Cushing will only make it worse.
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Keenum would probably be near the bottom on the list of people I blame for the loss.

O-line and defense would be at the top...
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Are you suggesting that the Texans D is playing stellar football? The defense has been as big a problem as any other during this losing streak. Losing Cushing will only make it worse.
San Diego- They played better than the S.D. defense did
Houston > Tack defense
Houston = or > than Ravens defense
Houston > Seahawk defense
Houston < SF defense
Houston < Rams defense. Although a ST's fumble/Int TD's certianly didn't help
Houston = K.C. Defense minus Cushing.

So overall I would say the Texans defense has held up their end of the bargain. How many games have the ST's/Offense outplayed the opposing ST's/Offense this yr?

Agreed, I'm afraid that the defense will turn into the end of last yrs defense without Cushing. Mitchell just isn't good enough to hold up against double teams against the run.
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I blame Keenum he didn't score enough points to win the game he didn't go through his reeds on a lot of plays


I noticed during the 4th quarter when they were blitzing u gotta scramble and get the ball out of your hands fast
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San Diego- They played better than the S.D. defense did
Houston > Tack defense
Houston = or > than Ravens defense
Houston > Seahawk defense
Houston < SF defense
Houston < Rams defense. Although a ST's fumble/Int TD's certianly didn't help
Houston = K.C. Defense minus Cushing.

So overall I would say the Texans defense has held up their end of the bargain. How many games have the ST's/Offense outplayed the opposing ST's/Offense this yr?

Agreed, I'm afraid that the defense will turn into the end of last yrs defense without Cushing. Mitchell just isn't good enough to hold up against double teams against the run.
Put down the crack pipe, hand. 2-5 suggests you are terribly wrong. PF/PA tell much more than YPG on a stat line. Get off the old NFL stats line and get with the program on much more advanced stats. Those show the Texans for what they are: ****ty on defense. Especially that scoring part that really matters.
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Put down the crack pipe, hand. 2-5 suggests you are terribly wrong. PF/PA tell much more than YPG on a stat line. Get off the old NFL stats line and get with the program on much more advanced stats. Those show the Texans for what they are: ****ty on defense. Especially that scoring part that really matters.
Well I'm not sure what the PF/PA is nor did I state ypg in my post. But I will say PF/PA are scewed when you consider a pick 6 is now referred to as Schaub. How many Ints did Schaub set up other teams for easy scores in addition to his 4 game pick 6 streak?

How many scores have been set up by poor ST's play, or directly given up a TD by the ST's? Not saying the defense is perfect but they are the least of this teams problems.
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really the blame was they couldn't run the ball anymore and everyoned was gettin f'd up
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In reality i blame Kubiak for the Loss, the Pistol is ok to run every now and then, but it does not play to our strengths plus it puts the RB even further behind the LOS, and that doesnt help especially when tate is all you have.

Keenum can work out of center, he did it all pre season and looked fine. I think Kubiak may have been trying to play to Keenums strengths to much that he took away from what we do well.

Will say it didnt help we had no healthy RBs, were Missing O.D and we have Derek Letembye over there on the right side of the line, still though Kubiak went a little overboard trying to make this offense like the UH offense, when i think Keenum can run what we usually run and be just fine.
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Even though the score doesn't indicate it,but the defense is bad again. I mean ninja,mitchell,reed,mayes,sharpton,mccain are killing the team. There is a reason besides talent why hali and houston can get pressure from the outside. Poe,devito,and jackson,but mostly poe controls the middles which means the qb can't step up. So now the olbs got a 2 way go no matter how mobile the qb is. Of course the texans missed it again with john jenkins,hankins,williams, and a slew of other big nts sitting there. Hell, kwame geathers who backed up jenkins at georgia went undrafted but is playing well. If you get bigger on the line,then the lbs can just scrape and clean up plays vs having to always get of full blocks and make plays.
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Are you suggesting that the Texans D is playing stellar football? The defense has been as big a problem as any other during this losing streak. Losing Cushing will only make it worse.


Yep ^ What he said.

Nothing wrong with giving up 90+ yard drives in multiple games?

When is the last time we stopped a third and fifteen + ?


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Yep ^ What he said.

Nothing wrong with giving up 90+ yard drives in multiple games?

When is the last time we stopped a third and fifteen + ?


The other thing people aren't considering is that we haven't even played a great offensive team yet....the best offense we've played this year has been SF and they haven't been as explosive this year as they were last year.
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Yep ^ What he said.

Nothing wrong with giving up 90+ yard drives in multiple games?

When is the last time we stopped a third and fifteen + ?


FFS how do you give up a 3rd and 21 .... when you have the defense dialed up to stop the play they run?!?
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I thought the team played better overall than they had been playing. My standards are low for now. I am upset we lost, but pleased with a lot of what I saw.
Agreed.
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Not voting, there are many more factors on the Texans for this loss than just Keenum/Oline. One of which shouldn't even be on there, you might as well make a thread saying "the oline deserves the blame for the loss".
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Everyone.

I continue to wonder if the QB in Kubiaks scheme is even allowed to read if there's a blitz or not. I mean, when there's 4 guys standing over your G and T....you might see a blitz. No adjustments, no calls on the oline, just run the play as Kubiak calls

Newton stinks, but he ran his man out the back end on the sack/fumble. Keenum needed to get rid of the ball

In the end, I'm saddened by the fact we'll be seeing status quo until the end of next year.
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