Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-24-2013   #161
bckey
Hall of Fame
 
bckey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 53
Posts: 2,296
Rep Power: 15762 bckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respectedbckey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runner View Post
With Indy the lead dog pulling the sled again, the Texans are back to the usual view the rest of the pack has. Obviously the Smithiak baby step, incremental improvement, overly cautious "right way" approach isn't "the difference between mediocrity and greatness". It IS mediocrity.
Pretty much sums it up.
__________________
"For those who want to believe, no facts are necessary, but for those who do not, no amount of evidence will ever be enough."
bckey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #162
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post
So if by some miracle we finish 9-7 qualifying for a play-off spot, would that mean you were wrong? Or does it take a 10-6 season to prove you're wrong?

If Schaub had thrown 25 TDs & 2 INTs to now, we could very well be 6-1 right now, with the same salary cap issues.

If the defense played disciplined defense, we could be 3-4, maybe 4-4 same salary cap issue.

The Texans have got problems, but so far it does not look like a salary cap issue, it looks more like a coaching issue.
A lot if's there, I made my first prediction in Nov 2010 that Colts would be back in control of the division in 2013 if the Texans did not change their operations and pattern of behavior. I reiterated my position even stronger in January 2011. My outlook was the Texans would start to decline this year. This actually happened last year Dec 2012. I'll will consider my outlook wrong if the Texans continue with their current Business Operating Model and still win the division in 2013 and 2014. My predictions were based on a failed business model and nothing to do with X and Os. If the Texans were a stock I gave them a sell recommendation.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #163
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 41
Posts: 32,285
Rep Power: 153118 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
A lot if's there, I made my first prediction in Nov 2010 that Colts would be back in control of the division in 2013 if the Texans did not change their operations and pattern of behavior. I reiterated my position even stronger in January 2011. My outlook was the Texans would start to decline this year. This actually happened last year Dec 2012. I'll will consider my outlook wrong if the Texans continue with their current Business Operating Model and still win the division in 2013 and 2014. My predictions were based on a failed business model and nothing to do with X and Os. If the Texans were a stock I gave them a sell recommendation.
So the cap mismanagement started to affect us in December 2012?

How are you going to sell that? The recurring LisFranc makes more sense.
__________________
thunderkyss is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #164
eriadoc
Texan-American
 
eriadoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 17,641
Rep Power: 156011 eriadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via ICQ to eriadoc Send a message via Yahoo to eriadoc
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post
So the cap mismanagement started to affect us in December 2012?

How are you going to sell that? The recurring LisFranc makes more sense.
There's no one thing, of course. But the team failed to properly plan to replace Winston, Ryans, Brisiel, Quin, etc. They have done little to nothing in preparation for the replacement of Schaub, unless you actually believe that they believe Keenum is the guy. They didn't prepare for the replacement of Leach, even. You could argue that Casey was a move in a different direction, but then they didn't even use him to his strengths. The best year Foster had rushing was with Leach. They did nothing to address the WR position until it was so blatantly obvious to soccer fans in Europe that AJ needed help.

The areas they have worked to address and prepare for replacement have been TE, DL, and OLB. Those efforts have been met with varying degrees of success, same as any other team. But they at least gave it an honest effort. I do not consider Newton an honest effort, for example. Their replacement plan for Ryans was ... Bradie James? Tim Dobbins? Yeah. So yeah, there's some cap mismanagement helping out the Lisfranc issue, compounded by the fact that the Texans put all their eggs in the Schaub basket, which plenty of people said was dumb the day the extension was signed.

There's plenty of hindsight to be taken advantage of, but there are also decisions that were roundly criticized when they happened. So either the critics are freakin' geniuses or the decision really was that apparent (Ed Reed, for example).
__________________
Anyone but Schaub.
eriadoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #165
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post
So the cap mismanagement started to affect us in December 2012?

How are you going to sell that? The recurring LisFranc makes more sense.
Here is how the salary cap mismanagement affected the Texans. Because the Texans started each year with no money to spend they were forced to fill out the roster and replace all players lost to FA with rookie and vet minimums. The Texans could not afford to sign any $2, $3 $4 mil a year FAs while other teams were able to do just that, 3-4-5 of those type players every year. After repeating this for 2-3 years other teams got much better but the Texans are not, they're still treading water, each year, every year.

Compound this by the number of players released, traded or lost to FA and their value never replaced along with some poor to average drafts and you get the results you now see on Sundays.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #166
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 41
Posts: 32,285
Rep Power: 153118 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by eriadoc View Post
There's plenty of hindsight to be taken advantage of, but there are also decisions that were roundly criticized when they happened. So either the critics are freakin' geniuses or the decision really was that apparent (Ed Reed, for example).
I'm not saying the F.O. is without fault.
__________________
thunderkyss is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013   #167
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 41
Posts: 32,285
Rep Power: 153118 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
Here is how the salary cap mismanagement affected the Texans.
Ok. You said the Texans mismanaged the cap, borrowing future dollars to get under the cap.

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Texans&Year=2013

Tell me specifically where that borrowed money is hurting us. Is it the extra $5M from Andre's pro-rated bonus?
__________________
thunderkyss is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 10-25-2013   #168
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
 
dalemurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Austin
Section: Bullpen/ 636
Age: 40
Posts: 5,579
Rep Power: 31584 dalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
Here is how the salary cap mismanagement affected the Texans. Because the Texans started each year with no money to spend they were forced to fill out the roster and replace all players lost to FA with rookie and vet minimums. The Texans could not afford to sign any $2, $3 $4 mil a year FAs while other teams were able to do just that, 3-4-5 of those type players every year. After repeating this for 2-3 years other teams got much better but the Texans are not, they're still treading water, each year, every year.

Compound this by the number of players released, traded or lost to FA and their value never replaced along with some poor to average drafts and you get the results you now see on Sundays.

Winston isn't exactly tearing up the league... I think he was removed fairly timely... no?

K.Walter- Hopkins
Bryant Johnson- Posey

Brisiel- Brandon Brooks (you aren't happy with Brooks at 24 on a tiny deal for the next 3 years, instead of 30+ year old Brisiel for a $20 million deal?

Watt- whomever you plug in

KJackson- D. Robinsion and his $50 million dollar deal by Atlanta

Swearing for Pollard (yet to know, but I'm good with it)

Mercilus for Barwin- I'm seeing good stuff from Mercilus... Pretty sure most people weren't Barwin fans around here.


I'm just not seeing this loss of talent you are talking about. I'm seeing a team underperform and play sloppy football. This is from a big Kubiak fan...

The Texans, have been money in the first round of every draft since 2007... Mercilus is still a question mark, perhaps... But, you will be hard-pressed to compete with the list of: D.Brown, Cushing, KJackson, Watt, Mercilus, and Hopkins- especially accounting for where they were taken.

Show me some drafts from teams you think are doing so much better than the Texans... I bet you have to do quite a bit of hunting to find a couple to defend.

The Texans could have chosen to spend on FA this year. It was a decision, based on not mortgaging the future and with an eye on some big re-signings the next two years, that was made. The cap is very manageable. Perhaps you don't like the decisions they are making and their unwillingness to "go for it"... But, the cap is managed in a way where they could, if they chose to.
__________________
obsessive, passionate coverage of our beloved Texans at : Texans Bull Blog
dalemurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #169
Scooter
Funky
 
Scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 4,640
Rep Power: 52595 Scooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
Here is how the salary cap mismanagement affected the Texans. Because the Texans started each year with no money to spend they were forced to fill out the roster and replace all players lost to FA with rookie and vet minimums. The Texans could not afford to sign any $2, $3 $4 mil a year FAs while other teams were able to do just that, 3-4-5 of those type players every year. After repeating this for 2-3 years other teams got much better but the Texans are not, they're still treading water, each year, every year.

Compound this by the number of players released, traded or lost to FA and their value never replaced along with some poor to average drafts and you get the results you now see on Sundays.
and where does the money come from to pay these free agents that we lose? it's not as if we're breaking records with our contracts either (until watt), many think we actually got several guys cheap compared to what they would've gotten on the market.

we dont have enough money to pay free agents because we're good at keeping our own. but we cant keep our own because we dont have any money. our own want so much money because we've drafted and coached up players too well. that is a quandary.
__________________

Last edited by Scooter; 10-25-2013 at 05:34 AM.
Scooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #170
Texanmike02
Site Contributor
 
Texanmike02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 36
Posts: 7,794
Rep Power: 58272 Texanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
A lot if's there, I made my first prediction in Nov 2010 that Colts would be back in control of the division in 2013 if the Texans did not change their operations and pattern of behavior. I reiterated my position even stronger in January 2011. My outlook was the Texans would start to decline this year. This actually happened last year Dec 2012. I'll will consider my outlook wrong if the Texans continue with their current Business Operating Model and still win the division in 2013 and 2014. My predictions were based on a failed business model and nothing to do with X and Os. If the Texans were a stock I gave them a sell recommendation.
You're a genius!!!!

Or not so much. If you are going to assert expertise because your prediction has "come to fruition" then explain why you chose the Colts.

I'm going to go aheand and call your entire theory and your 'self-verifying prophecy' crap. Your prediction was very specific but your reasons and verification of them are all very general. The truth is that this team has a QB that suffered an injury and seems unable to overcome the limitation that has resulted from that injury. In a year as deep at QB talent as any I can remember we need to draft a QB. If this is a down year, so be it but all of this crap about the buisness model you're spouting is crap.

Mike
__________________

Sig by False Start - Thanks man

Govern my country, NOT MY LIFE!
Texanmike02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #171
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalemurphy View Post
Winston isn't exactly tearing up the league... I think he was removed fairly timely... no?

[/b]K.Walter- Hopkins
Bryant Johnson- Posey[/b]

Brisiel- Brandon Brooks (you aren't happy with Brooks at 24 on a tiny deal for the next 3 years, instead of 30+ year old Brisiel for a $20 million deal?

Watt- whomever you plug in

KJackson- D. Robinsion and his $50 million dollar deal by Atlanta

Swearing for Pollard (yet to know, but I'm good with it)

Mercilus for Barwin- I'm seeing good stuff from Mercilus... Pretty sure most people weren't Barwin fans around here.


I'm just not seeing this loss of talent you are talking about. I'm seeing a team underperform and play sloppy football. This is from a big Kubiak fan...

The Texans, have been money in the first round of every draft since 2007... Mercilus is still a question mark, perhaps... But, you will be hard-pressed to compete with the list of: D.Brown, Cushing, KJackson, Watt, Mercilus, and Hopkins- especially accounting for where they were taken.

Show me some drafts from teams you think are doing so much better than the Texans... I bet you have to do quite a bit of hunting to find a couple to defend.

The Texans could have chosen to spend on FA this year. It was a decision, based on not mortgaging the future and with an eye on some big re-signings the next two years, that was made. The cap is very manageable. Perhaps you don't like the decisions they are making and their unwillingness to "go for it"... But, the cap is managed in a way where they could, if they chose to.
Newton better than Winston? Really? Foster hasn't run right since Winston left.
Walter avg 40-60 catches per year, Jones 30-50 tell me again how the Texans have replaced those. Posey has 12 catchesin 2 yrs?
Say I agree 1st rd gets a B, Rds 2-7 get a C-, D.
Find another draft? Throw a dart, pick a team.
Not mortgaging the Future this year? AAHHH but they did. AJ restructured. This is not rocket science, THE TEXANS did NOT have enough money to complete a 53 man roster, FAILED BUSINESS MODEL for the last 4 years.

Players lost and not replaced with equal or better talent mainly because there was no money.

Williams, Winston, Brisel, Ryans, Jones, Leach, Vickers, Dreessen, Quin, Walter,Casey, Barwin - Lot of players off a playoff team, almost half a team, almost half the # of your EXCUSES. Today I am RIGHT and you're WRONG! Let's continue when this discussion when the Texans are #1 in the division.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #172
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
and where does the money come from to pay these free agents that we lose?

we dont have enough money to pay free agents because we're good at keeping our own.
Good question, Mario leaves and his $18 million drops off the books and yet the Texans are only able to start the new year $3 million under the cap. And yet some people call this good cap management.

Williams, Winston, Brisel, Ryans, Jones, Leach, Vickers, Dreessen, Quin, Walter,Casey, Barwin vs Brown, Schaub and Cushing. Good at keeping our own? Really?
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #173
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texanmike02 View Post
You're a genius!!!!

Or not so much. If you are going to assert expertise because your prediction has "come to fruition" then explain why you chose the Colts.

I'm going to go aheand and call your entire theory and your 'self-verifying prophecy' crap. Your prediction was very specific but your reasons and verification of them are all very general. The truth is that this team has a QB that suffered an injury and seems unable to overcome the limitation that has resulted from that injury. In a year as deep at QB talent as any I can remember we need to draft a QB. If this is a down year, so be it but all of this crap about the buisness model you're spouting is crap.

Mike
NO I'm not a Genius. It's called simple math, basic analysis and OBJECTIVITY. What it is not is DENIAL, EXCUSES, Wishful Thinking, Wanting and Hoping.

You can call my diagnosis crap, BS, Bovine Manure, Puke or anything else you want to call it. As of today, right now, this minute you also have to call it RIGHT!

The Colts? In a nutshell, New GM/HC, 2 above average drafts, OVER $40 million in available Salary Cap to SPEND this year. THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. They also have $40 million to start the 2014 season, THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. The Texans maybe $8 million, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MEET MINIMUM FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. Next year The Colts will have an avg of $1.75 mil to spend per new player, the Texans < $500K per new player. The Colts will get better the Texans will NOT. This is simple math and basic analysis. NO Mensa minds required.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #174
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
 
dalemurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Austin
Section: Bullpen/ 636
Age: 40
Posts: 5,579
Rep Power: 31584 dalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
Good question, Mario leaves and his $18 million drops off the books and yet the Texans are only able to start the new year $3 million under the cap. And yet some people call this good cap management.

Williams, Winston, Brisel, Ryans, Jones, Leach, Vickers, Dreessen, Quin, Walter,Casey, Barwin vs Brown, Schaub and Cushing. Good at keeping our own? Really?
Well, to answer your Mario question, that was the year that the cap decreased close to $20 million.

Are you really arguing that we should have paid Mario $100 million? Briesel $20 million, Dreessen $9 million? We should've kept K. Walter? and Vickers?... You are complaining that we got rid of that huge Demeco contract and also got a 3rd and 4th round pick for him?

Umm, I'm sure glad you are not managing the cap!

Again, regarding cap management, the team is healthy- it could have easily signed bigger free agents. They could have kept Quin, Casey, Barwin. They have chosen to be disciplined and prepare for Watt and others, avoid dead money, and avoid mortgaging the future by giving huge signing bonuses to players and restructuring to the back end of the contracts in order to create room in the near term. Feel free to disagree with the methodology. However, it is not bad cap management. Unlike with the mess Casserly left these guys with, a GM with a more aggressive approach could take this team over and immediately do exactly what he wanted to- bring in a few big name free agents (or more)... turnover a significant portion of the team's veterans with little cap ramifications, and also have a couple extra compensatory draft picks- in addition to the normal, yearly allotment... not to mention the best defensive player in football...

And, if you are actually arguing, that you would rather have Kevin Walter than Hopkins, I'm not sure there is any point in debating talent with you. Of course, I doubt you believe that... you are just in attack mode- flailing criticisms wildly at the organization because you are disappointed and angry. I get it, though I wouldn't be angry about the Texans letting Walter go and drafting Hopkins.
__________________
obsessive, passionate coverage of our beloved Texans at : Texans Bull Blog
dalemurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #175
NCTexan
Hall of Fame
 
NCTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Chapel Hill
Age: 22
Posts: 1,155
Rep Power: 39211 NCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
Williams, Winston, Brisel, Ryans, Jones, Leach, Vickers, Dreessen, Quin, Walter,Casey, Barwin - Lot of players off a playoff team, almost half a team, almost half the # of your EXCUSES. Today I am RIGHT and you're WRONG! Let's continue when this discussion when the Texans are #1 in the division.
Wait, you're arguing that Vickers is better than Jones? Walter better than Hopkins? Graham has shown to be capable in place of Dreessen. Casey was a waste here to be honest. We didn't use him in a way that was worth as much as he got paid in Philly. Barwin was meh last year and not worth the money paid, Mercilus is doing fine in his place.

You're just throwing out every name.
NCTexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #176
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by NCTexan View Post
You're just throwing out every name.
And you're throwing out every EXCUSE! But Jones is not better than Leach, ask Arian. Actually Walter was a #3 WR not a #2 and Hopkins maybe better than Walter but the numbers haven't said so and Walters is better than Posey, Martin, Jean and all other WRs on the roster. BOTTOM LINE Texans still have not replaced the # of Walter catches. Graham is no where close to being the blocking TE that Dreessen was. Ask Arian. In your mind Casey was a waste, maybe so but the BOTTOM LINE is the Texans have not replaced his production. Mercilus was Mario's replacement not Barwin. Barwin and Mercilus played together last year. What we have here is more DENIAL.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #177
NCTexan
Hall of Fame
 
NCTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Chapel Hill
Age: 22
Posts: 1,155
Rep Power: 39211 NCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedNCTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
ANd you're throwing out every EXCUSE!
I'm not making excuses for where the team is right now. It's unacceptable. I think we need some major changes. But to pretend every player we lost is better than their replacement is just wrong.
NCTexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #178
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by dalemurphy View Post
Well, to answer your Mario question, that was the year that the cap decreased close to $20 million.

Are you really arguing that we should have paid Mario $100 million? Briesel $20 million, Dreessen $9 million? We should've kept K. Walter? and Vickers?... You are complaining that we got rid of that huge Demeco contract and also got a 3rd and 4th round pick for him?

Umm, I'm sure glad you are not managing the cap!

Again, regarding cap management, the team is healthy- it could have easily signed bigger free agents. They could have kept Quin, Casey, Barwin. They have chosen to be disciplined and prepare for Watt and others, avoid dead money, and avoid mortgaging the future by giving huge signing bonuses to players and restructuring to the back end of the contracts in order to create room in the near term. Feel free to disagree with the methodology. However, it is not bad cap management. Unlike with the mess Casserly left these guys with, a GM with a more aggressive approach could take this team over and immediately do exactly what he wanted to- bring in a few big name free agents (or more)... turnover a significant portion of the team's veterans with little cap ramifications, and also have a couple extra compensatory draft picks- in addition to the normal, yearly allotment... not to mention the best defensive player in football...

And, if you are actually arguing, that you would rather have Kevin Walter than Hopkins, I'm not sure there is any point in debating talent with you. Of course, I doubt you believe that... you are just in attack mode- flailing criticisms wildly at the organization because you are disappointed and angry. I get it, though I wouldn't be angry about the Texans letting Walter go and drafting Hopkins.
You can make all the excuses you want to but that doesn't change the fact that next year, like this year the Colts will have an average of $1,750,000 to spend on new players and the Texans will have less than $500,000. Simply put , with those numbers YOU CAN'T COMPETE.
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #179
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,924
Rep Power: 22354 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by NCTexan View Post
I'm not making excuses for where the team is right now. It's unacceptable. I think we need some major changes. But to pretend every player we lost is better than their replacement is just wrong.
The point that your missing is many of those players who were starters haven't been replaced. 2-5 record suggests that I am RIGHT and you're WRONG!
Texian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013   #180
Texanmike02
Site Contributor
 
Texanmike02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 36
Posts: 7,794
Rep Power: 58272 Texanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanmike02 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texian View Post
NO I'm not a Genius. It's called simple math, basic analysis and OBJECTIVITY. What it is not is DENIAL, EXCUSES, Wishful Thinking, Wanting and Hoping.

You can call my diagnosis crap, BS, Bovine Manure, Puke or anything else you want to call it. As of today, right now, this minute you also have to call it RIGHT!

The Colts? In a nutshell, New GM/HC, 2 above average drafts, OVER $40 million in available Salary Cap to SPEND this year. THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. They also have $40 million to start the 2014 season, THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. The Texans maybe $8 million, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MEET MINIMUM FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. Next year The Colts will have an avg of $1.75 mil to spend per new player, the Texans < $500K per new player. The Colts will get better the Texans will NOT. This is simple math and basic analysis. NO Mensa minds required.
Toot your horn a little bit more please.

You said that back in 2010 you said the Colts would control the division. Polian was still the GM and Caldwell was the Coach. Did you know they would fire the coach after the next season? Did you know it was Pagano they would hire?

Your analysis is fundamentally flawed. The Texans don't need to improve across the board, they need to improve at the QB, RG, RT, ILB and S positions. They will need depth at the RB spot as well. Fix the QB and the RG/RT are less of a problem. Do you want them to go out and sign free agents?

I would even argue that our coach is the problem before I would argue that we suffer a talent deficiency. Line us up position by position and tell me where the Colts have an advantage talent wise. QB. SS. RG/RT. Maybe OLB. Oh yeah, they have a better kicker.

The reason this team is in this hole has nothing to do with talent or cap management, it has to do with coaching. It is that boot leg and the fact that a team can sit on that out route over and over. It has to do with the fact that our offense is no longer potent and Wade's defense will suffer by not being able to gamble as much. But talent wise? Give me a break.

But don't let an analytical exercise like that get in the way of a good argument.

Mike
__________________

Sig by False Start - Thanks man

Govern my country, NOT MY LIFE!
Texanmike02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger