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Old 10-20-2013   #401
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He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.
Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.
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Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.
They talked about it this morning of NFL Network.. it was also brought up on First Take Friday on how (names) Brian Cushing, Antonio Smith, Andre Johnson, and Duane Brown have all came out and talked highly of Keenum.. who knows how many other players are talking... it doesn't take a damn genius to be able to read the tea leaves here.

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My hopes and dreams are not tied to the fall of Schaub (#1 reason is because he's already fallen so there's nothing to even tie to), but it's apparently clear your hopes and dreams are tied to keeping him propped up... for whatever reason, "blood is thicker than water".

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He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.
I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen. & it don't matter how many 3 & outs you pitched in the first half. You give up one 90+ yard TD drive, you didn't play well enough to win.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.
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Please share with us the links to players in the Texans locker room saying that, otherwise I would say you are just making that up, or that is what you believe is going on. Your hopes and dreams are attached to the fall of Schaub and Kubiak, so of course your world view is such, but don't be making **** up, and pretend to speak for the Texans players and you can't back it up as fact. I highly doubt there are any in the Texans locker room who think Keenum is a more viable option than Schaub.
I agree there are no players responding with anything other than PC answers. I have no quotes to back up CB's POV but I can see where he's coming from. The guys aren't going to throw Matt or TJ under the bus. They're just not gonna do that. What I think I do see/feel though is a different buzz. I feel (and yes, it's just a feeling) that both sides of the ball are going to go into Arrowhead with renewed vigor and tempo that we all know this team is capable of. Certainly there are no guarantees but starting Case "I Believe" (oops, wrong thread ) we'll field a team with more drive, enthusiasm and will to win than we've witnessed to date. It's happened too many times in NFL history to ignore

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I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.
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Why in the world do you want to go there now?

It's not worth it. We've got two weeks for that debate, no reason to start muddying the water now.

Right now, it's about Case. He needs the BullsonParade to bring it. blahblahblahing about the gimp ain't helping nobody.
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I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, our we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.
agreed with everything you posted and I'd like to add.. if this defense doesn't rally around Wade and doesn't physically beat the hell out of the chiefs then they should have their collective man cards pulled on the flight home. Win one for Bum, should be the battle cry
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You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?
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I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while.
The Case love is irrational. Everything that has happened to Case has been pretty much on schedule for an UDFA QB, maybe ahead of schedule. But the Case crowd is all over Kubiak because we didn't have Case activated for the play-offs last season (a little exaggerated).

We've seen coaches stick with "their guy" through bad games & while Schaub didn't win a Super Bowl, we all know he is Kubiak's guy, that Kubiak believes in him. I don't think Coughlin is saying, "Well, Eli did win a Super Bowl, I'll give him 8 games to work out of this." Noooooooo. Coughlin is saying, "Eli's been a good QB, he's not hurt, maybe today is the day."

He & Kubiak are probably saying, "WTF, Alex Smith threw a pick six & he still won the game!!! I'm supposed to have one of the best defenses in the league."


SF, where Schaub threw 3 INTs.... that's the only game that I think a dominant defense had no chance of winning for us. Whether you want to agree or not, Schaub won the San Diego game & the Titans game (regardless of his mistakes). The defense haven't won any.
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You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?
and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
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and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
What have you done? I posted that quote the last few weeks and we lost...
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What have you done? I posted that quote the last few weeks and we lost...
.. well that's because you posted it and I didn't
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I'll probably be accused of trolling again but..... I've been talking about or defense, people have been saying they've played well enough to win. I disagree.

To me, it's all about the situation, what situation are we in, what do we need to happen, & measure that against what actually happened.

We should never expect our QB to throw a pick 6. It hurts our chances to win. If our QB throws a pick 6, he did not play well enough to win, no matter how many yards/TDs he put on Seattle in the first half.

At the same time, we can not expect our defense to give up 1 90+ yard TD scoring drive & expect to win. Just like the pick 6, it should not happen. Not even against an average defense. Should not happen. & it don't matter how many 3 & outs you pitched in the first half. You give up one 90+ yard TD drive, you didn't play well enough to win.

In the situation we were in, with the Seahawks starting on their 2 yard line, commiting a penalty moving them back to their 1 yard line, we had them in 3rd & 7 from their 5..... no way they should have even scored on that drive, but if we were to stop them to just a field goal, we win that game.

The Seahawks was a team loss, the Rams a team fail. The defense gives up 21 points in less than 3 qtrs of football, just like they did against San Diego. That's unacceptable, especially when you consider none of those drives (in the St Louis game started on our side of the 50).


Hopefully the Schaub injury cheering incident challenged the BullsonParade pride. Hopefully the start of Case Keenum will get these guys to rally behind their offense, their QB. Hopefully they'll play with a little extra somet'n-somet'n to honor their DC, sonofBum..... because those guys have not been playing winning football.

I don't care about how many yards they've allowed. I've got a QB on pace to throw for 4100 yards. But if he doesn't get his sht straight (& realistically, he might not see the field again) he's not playing like a Super Bowl contending QB. Same thing with the defense, #1 in yards is great, but if they don't get straight on a lot of other things.... run defense, red zone defense, penalties, turnover generation..... they aren't playing like Super Bowl contenders, they're not playing like Division Champs, they're not playing like a winning defense.

You know football is a game of emotion correct? Our offense laid an egg ONCE again and you get mad our defense gave up one drive for a td AFTER our stupid qb gave the game away......the more our offense fails the more it will affect our defense, its just fact. their emotion lets up and they start making mistakes and penalties.....we need spark and hopefully Case provides that, he may not play like a HOF but he may lift the spirits of the team and the TEAM can carry us to victory.....
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If I am correct and Case struggles, you are right, I will be very disappointed.
I won't. He's bascially a rookie. I expected Kj to struggle as a rookie, I expected Newton to struggle in what was basically his rookie season, I expected Duane Brown to struggle his rookie season, I expect Hopkins to struggle his rookie season. Some guys don't struggle, Tate, Cushing, Watt, Demeco.....

This game has nothing to do with Case Keenum. Remember coming out of the half of the San Francisco game Kubiak said he's got bigger things to worry about than his QB? He probably wanted to make the QB change back then, but couldn't if the defense was going to play the way they were, or if our OL was struggling the way they were.

Everybody thought he was crazy, but when the QB is struggling, everybody knows the QB is struggling, Our defense has to play better. If we're going to play a less experienced QB the team has to play better than they did.
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and if he doesn't, you do realize how ridiculous this post is going to look, right?

in the great words of the Prophet Bluto.. "What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I hope the kid wins the game for the Texans ! That would be great, but I'm just trying to brace you, because he might turn out to be a starting NFL QB eventually, but this is an impossible situation to throw him into. He hasn't suited up once since being in the NFL during the regular season. I just hope his confidence is not destroyed.
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There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.
They need to play like it today. If they do & Kubiak starts talking about starting Schaub, they need to take the coach aside & explain their position. Don't make a big stink of it, because then it's a "who's running the team" situation & that's a no win situation for the fans.

Instead, they need to get Aj to walk into Kubiak's office before the game & guarantee him they will play better & let him know they love Schaub, but they need the QB change (& if they prefer Case, let him know they prefer Case.... or they can say they'll let him decide who to start, just not Matt, odds are he'll pick Case).
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The Case love is irrational. Everything that has happened to Case has been pretty much on schedule for an UDFA QB, maybe ahead of schedule. But the Case crowd is all over Kubiak because we didn't have Case activated for the play-offs last season (a little exaggerated).
A lot exaggerated. Matter of fact I don't recall hearing or reading that anywhere.

But we can agree to disagree. There is no reason at all to put Schaub back into a game wearing a texans uniform unless keenum and Yates get hurt. Or by some miracle we make the play offs and case gets hurt.

Other than that I couldn't care less about any irrational case hype. I don't care. I'm rooting for whichever qb can help this team win. I strongly feel that isn't Schaub, and I am not sold that it's keenum but I want to give him a shot.

But the inly reason you responded to that post is because you have irrational Schaub love.
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I hope the kid wins the game for the Texans ! That would be great, but I'm just trying to brace you, because he might turn out to be a starting NFL QB eventually, but this is an impossible situation to throw him into. He hasn't suited up once since being in the NFL during the regular season. I just hope his confidence is not destroyed.
because he hasn't suited up once is why I'm giving him faith...he doesn't know what he doesn't know. I think the chiefs are about to run into a south paw (who should all be destroyed), they won't know what hit them.
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I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?
I heard Derrick ward say the texans will never win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub.

Do you know more than a football player that played with Matt Schaub?
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You guys do realize Case is gonna get killed today in KC today, right ?
It won't phase Case one little bit.

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