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Old 10-19-2013   #381
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Whatever Case does, how on earth can it be any worse than what Schaub or Yates have done this year?
Well, if you expect Case to play as well as Schaub did vs. San Diego, or at the end of the Tennessee game, you will likely be disappointed. Schaub, in reality, played two bad games: Baltimore and SF... and he choked at the end of Seattle.

I understand the angst. I get the excitement for Case, even. However, QB play can be much worse. Don't make me bring up ancient Texan history, for instance.
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Well, if you expect Case to play as well as Schaub did vs. San Diego, or at the end of the Tennessee game, you will likely be disappointed. Schaub, in reality, played two bad games: Baltimore and SF... and he choked at the end of Seattle.
I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.
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I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.

I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.

Regardless of what you might think because the majority on this board are Schaub haters, IMO the majority of Texans fans are behind Schaub. It's the vocal minority that makes all the noise about Schaub. The rest of the fans move on after the game ends, whereas Schaub haters post for days on end with stuff like pointing out short comings that Schaub has had since he came to Houston, ignoring horrible offensive line play, special teams, defense, or worst of all, making fun of Schaub's name and appearance.
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I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.

Regardless of what you might think because the majority on this board are Schaub haters, IMO the majority of Texans fans are behind Schaub.
I'm going to disagree with you. I could link several posts that say "Fans will be disappointed by Case", "Case lovers are in for a letdown", etc. I was just responding to one in the previous post. These are the same posters who thought that Keenum should have been practice squaded after the preseason. In contrast, the anti-Schaub crowd was a small minority until his late 2012-2013 meltdown. I know I was very pro-Matt until his 2012 swan dive. He went from getting the job done, to not getting the job done. It's my belief, based upon what I've seen and some expert opinion I've read, that this is completely due to the after effects of the 2011 Lisfranc injury.

The overwhelming majority of Texan fans I know, be it at work, in the neighborhood, in the forums, or at the games, want Schaub to be replaced. I haven't met one in person that didn't. Not because they don't like him. But because Schaub has been terrible for the past 12 games. Schaub is a lame duck. He won't be brought back in 2014 for a $10.5 million salary. Not when you can get better play from a $500K QB. I can't say that Schaub won't start another game in 2013, because I've seen Kubiak make some really dumb decisions. But I can say that Matt Schaub won't be the Texans QB in 2014. Today's game will give us at least an inkling of whether Case Keenum can be.
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I am going to disagree with you here. Unlike the Anti-Schaub crowd, the Schaub supporters are behind Keenum and hope he does well, but unless he just blows out the Chiefs, Schaub will be the starter again vs the Colts much to the chagrin of the bunch of over reacting, cry babies who whine insistently about Schaub.
I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the bye unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

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There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.
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I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....

There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the but unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

Why?

There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.
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Put me in the crowd that thinks a win alone will not keep case as the starter but a really good game might. I hope he goes out today and does really well and makes the call hard on Gary
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Schaub has outlived his usefulness. He was once very good for us, not now. He needs to be replaced. Whether he's replaced by Keenum or someone else, we'll know soon enough.
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Put me in the crowd that thinks a win alone will not keep case as the starter but a really good game might. I hope he goes out today and does really well and makes the call hard on Gary
He doesn't have to have a "really good game", outside of injury or downright putrid play from Keenum, Schaub's days as a starter for Houston are over.
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He doesn't have to have a "really good game", outside of injury or downright putrid play from Keenum, Schaub's days as a starter for Houston are over.
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Schaub lovers have got to understand that Case does not need to play out of this world to keep the starting job. If he has a game manager stat line and if he makes some nice throws/plays on his feet then he is the starter. Schaub is done unless Case plays like him. And even then, Case would most likely get the next start at home against Indy.
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I'm excited for Keenum and his opportunity. I hope he runs with it and doesn't look back. I expect the team to play hard for him. If he can transition some of those throws from preseason to today, we have a chance of making headlines.
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I'm not going to let this turn into a Matt Schaub thread, but Schaub had one good game this season (the opener in San Diego). He put the team into a comeback versus the Titans by his poor play. He did zip in the 2nd half and overtime against the Seahawks. Well, nothing but single-handedly give the team a loss. In his last game against the Rams, he completed some short passes that AJ, Hopkins, and Foster turned into big gains. And he didn't get the ball into the end zone for essentially his last 10 quarters.

So no, the bar for 2013 Texan QB play is not super duper high right now for Case. Get some first downs. Don't sack yourself. Get the ball into the end zone at a decent rate. And don't gift wrap the game for your opponent. Basically, if Case Keenum doesn't play like the 2013 version of Matt Schaub, the Texans have a chance in KC. I think it will be the Schaub lovers at the end of the day who will be the disappointed ones.

If I am correct and Case struggles, you are right, I will be very disappointed. As a Texan fan, there is no conflict. I can support Schaub, disagree with the hyper-criticism, and also want our backup QB to play well today.
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I keep hearing that the keenum love is irrational, but I think it's the exact opposite. Schaub has not been a good qb for a while. In fact hes had more bad moments than good. It's almost been a full season of bad qb play dating back to last year. He ended last year on a bad note, and he has been terrible this year. We don't even know how bad the injury even is. So other than liking the guy, just wanting to be right....or being a family member.....There is absolutely 0 reason to be claiming Schaub would start after the bye unless keenum has some all world game.

If this was Donovan Mcnabb having played like this for his last few games we'd be saying he was done. But because you guys have some weird fetish with Schaub, y'all would jeopardize the team trying to find young qb talent on the roster to run Schaub out there?

Why?

There is no good reason why. It's completely illogical.
I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?
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I heard Rich Gannon on the radio this week discussing the Texan QB situation. He thinks Matt Schaub playing better is the Texans best chance for success this year. Is he a family member, a friend, or just wanting to be right?... Or, do you just know more about football than Gannon does?
He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.
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He doesn't have to know more than a "football player", if Rich Gannon who doesn't even follow this team is your ace in the hole argument then Schaub is in deeper trouble than I even thought..

There's people within the Texans locker room (yes.. people who play football.. like Gannon did.. people who actually know what's going on with the Texans.. unlike Gannon) that think Keenum gives them a chance to win now.

Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased
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Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased
Or one side is looking towards the future while the other is holding on to past false hopes.
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Or maybe texans fans on both sides of the qb situation are biased
I've been on both sides.. I used to be a Schaub fan, I'm not any more

maybe Texan fans on one side are just more proactive than the other and are ahead of the curve and can see what's coming down the road.
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