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Old 10-07-2013   #1
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I'm 62 and been an Oiler fan since the 60's. I actually read quite a lot of threads here over the years and sometimes have posted. But here I enjoy reading everyone's opinions, feelings, thoughts, and have learned quite a bit about the Texans and football. I'm not much good trying to explain myself. I also do have my thoughts and opinions. Almost most of the time my restraint wins and keeps me from posting whether from frustration, time, laziness, or staying away from honest confrontation. But today I found this link and there are others that I was not expecting before the season started. I know it's the talk of town and I'm just trying to be moderate, patient, and cool about it. But after hearing this was like breaking through a hard shell of many people's take on the Schaub Kubiak thing. Listen and watch around us and one will see that you also don't have to be a Texan fan to see what's going on here. I wish the Texans the best this year for whatever outcome. But there is a reason for all this and I'm slowly finding out IMHO where I stand. Here is an example
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I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...
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I'm not much good trying to explain myself.
Solid post old timer. Keep them coming.

I liked Steven A Smith when he first came on the scene, because he said what needed to be said, in a room full of people he had no business saying it.

Then when he started to get clout...... I turned him off. Got tired of his "act"

But he's spot on here. I really like his comments about Keenum. Solid points.

Exactly what they(we) need.
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Solid post old timer.
Old timer? He's the same age as me. I can assure you, not only are we smarter than you we are also better looking.
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I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...
The truth either comforts or offends. This day has been coming people don't have to say Schaub is terrible over time the truth always comes to the light. That's why 4 years ago when Steve Young said Schaub is never the reason Texans win... I knew most us texans fans wouldn't agree. 4 years later we are here. David Carr for 5 years... the oilers... this is all about making money filling up seats in the stadium.
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lol forever young for all you guys thanks for the replies. Hey thunderkyss it's been a long time but I actually do remember that I think you were the first one to reply years ago to me. Good to hear from ya. n yea Thorn we look better not sure on the smarter thing tho lol. Anyways I feel better now that I'm not totally alone on this QB change stuff but many posters here are threading it around. I was just tying to handshake that to the other world out there. They're doing the same thing.
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Steven A Smith is right... he doesn't know what he's talking about. Best thing Steven A Smith has done is sit next to Skippy Bayless -- everyone looks/sounds good sitting next to Bayless.
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must be cold in hades, i actually agree with those two idiots (stephen A and whatshisname, not thorn and texan).
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Never thought these words would EVER come out of my mouth when it came to those two douche monkeys..

HOWEVA!!!

they are absolutely right. Matty Pick 6 is dead as the Houston Texans QB, Kubiak and McNair are just to stubborn to realize it. Is Keenum the answer, don't know because he hasn't got his chance to prove to anybody right or wrong. should he get his shot, hell yes he should.
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I mean its stephen a and skip bayless so u have to take what they say with a grain if salt.....but its hard to dispute anything stephen a is saying...its all out there at this point...
It is indeed but like you're saying, this is "blinding flash of the obvious" stuff right here. There's no law in the universe that says that those two guys can never be right. In fact the law of averages tells us that sooner or later, even if it's by sheer dumb luck they're going to get one right.

This is pretty much what I see too.

When Yates came in for Schaub (actually Leinart now that I think about it) two years ago he provided a spark at that time and I'm not going to say he couldn't do it again. I know Gary will not bench Schaub but going forward with the assumption that he does (maybe following the soon to be record-extending fifth straight pick-six courtesy of Cortland Finnegan) then sure, you know Yates is coming. It is the way Gary Kubiak does business. It is the only way he knows how to do business. Keenum represents raw talent and ability to him. Keenum is the wildcard here. If he didn't have that to offer then he wouldn't be taking up a roster spot. There are plenty of guys out there who could sit in the 3 spot and wear a baseball cap. Guys with experience who aren't going to be starters but who Gary would feel fine about way back there behind Matt and TJ. Gary has had projects before and the ones who have nothing to offer do a year on the practice squad and wash out. or two years on the practice squad and wash out. Clearly Keenum has shown him something to merit a roster spot.

Yates on the other hand represents safety and experience. Not to the extent that Schaub does but in a scenario where Schaub is no longer an option Gary must go with Yates first. It's just how he's built.

If Yates succeeds then fine. Great. The team gets its spark and maybe the ship gets righted. If Yates doesn't make that happen then all I'm saying is that going back to Schaub will be the death of the season for the Texans. It will be the move that turns a team not believing in their QB into a team that doesn't believe in their head coach.
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I don't really know what the outcome would be, but I'd be so proud of Kubiak right now if Keenum started the next game. You can't find answers if you don't look for them.
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Some good videos, hopefully we get a chance to see what Keenum has this season.
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Completely agree with everything they said and their reasoning. Nothing more to add. Simply spot on.
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A stopped clock is right twice a day.
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the rams are coming to town, schaub will have a great game against a bad team (much like his entire 2011) and it will buy him a couple more years.. there will be no qb change..
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the rams are coming to town, schaub will have a great game against a bad team (much like his entire 2011) and it will buy him a couple more years.. there will be no qb change..
Until Schaub's display last night I would agree with you. I thinking now that Daddy Bob will have a sit down with the HC and give him the Caper's talk like he did with Wade Phillips. Someone mentioned in another thread that Rick would be the henchman. I can see that. As a GM he can't allow himself to become emotional about the situation. He has to keep it all business. Before you all go berzerk on me for Schaub's extension my money is on Kubiak talked McNair into it and I see McNair regretting it. That with his on record comments of the offseason I see a #8 head rolling down Kirby after the season. As far as the HC, I'm not sure. He has what, one more year on his contract or is this the end after the season? If it's the former I can see two heads rolling. If it's the latter, just Schaub. My guess is Bob will pressure Rick into making a move for for a franchise QB and we all know that's a crap shoot in and of itself.

Getting long winded but I'll go on record saying I believe this season is toast from what I've watched in every game since the opener. I'm very interested to see how the offseason and draft shape up.

All this after I taught Baby Girl how to holler Go Texans! She's only two so no matter who's playing as soon as she see's a football game it's on.

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It makes me terribly sad to agree with those two buffoons.
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Nice vid, unfortunately they nailed it and so have several of the comments following. Kubes is loyal and follows the rank structure. That's why Yates will get the next shot.

I spent 25 years in the military and commanded several organizations. As you know, in the military you have a rank structure and something called "time in grade" (TIG) which simply means how senior you are for that rank. I believe Yates is the back-up because he's been in the league longer and did nothing in the pre-season to lose that position in Kubiak's mind. Maybe a little of that Aggie Military stuff was driven into his soul and he's too rigid to adapt.

I learned early in my career that those that adapt the quickest do the best. I never hired people for positions based on TIG, I bucked "the system" because I knew to have a winning organization you have to have the best people in the toughest positions.

GK, it's not a sin to buck the system. Give Case Keenum the ball and build the game plan around his strengths. I'm confident he'll give us a spark. He'll make mistakes, but he has "it" and I believe that magic is what we need to stop this train wreck and get us back on track. We can win this year. This team has a defense with heart, hell Watt, Cushing, etc. have more passion and talent then one team deserves. Foster, Andre, etc. want to win and they care, you can see it in their body language. They just need a LEADER. GK, give Case the ball and a game plan, he'll not only make you proud, he'll lead this team from the edge of the abyss and at the very least make this season entertaining if not fruitful.
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Nice find. Ya know... what would be the harm in starting Case? Just one game. If nothing else to sit Schaub and see if he can regroup mentally. If Case just falls apart quickly and it's apparent, fine bring in TJ to wrap up that game.

Then perhaps TJ starts next game with Case as backup. Either way, gives Matt some down time.

Flip side, what IF Case does wonders in his first game, the team gets a spark (and if a win, even better) then start him the next game, same situation. Chance to prove himself once more and if he doesn't... bring Yates in.

You're not throwing in the towel... your planning for the future, perhaps even immediate if it takes off, and seeing what you have in all 52 players and not just knowing what you have in one player.... that you've seen regress recently for some multitude of reasons.
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