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Old 10-27-2013   #121
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B Reed is tied for 3rd in tackles on the team, and you get down on his hair? Maybe you're letting a little jealousy trump your football knowledge?

http://chron.stats.com/fb/teamstats....=34&type=stats
yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.
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yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.

Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.
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Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.
Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.
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Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.
How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:

Sam Acho ARI OLB 1.0
Russell Allen JAC OLB 1.0
James Anderson CHI OLB 1.0
Akeem Ayers TEN OLB 1.0
Vontaze Burfict CIN OLB 1.0
Kevin Burnett OAK OLB 1.0
Quinton Coples NYJ OLB 1.0
Chad Greenway MIN OLB 1.0
Quentin Groves CLE OLB 1.0
Parys Haralson NO OLB 1.0
James Harrison CIN OLB 1.0
David Hawthorne NO OLB 1.0
Bruce Irvin SEA OLB 1.0
Manny Lawson BUF OLB 1.0
Corey Lemonier SF LB 1.0
Koa Misi MIA OLB 1.0
Dontay Moch ARI LB 1.0
Sio Moore OAK OLB 1.0
Mike Neal GB OLB 1.0
Spencer Paysinger NYG 1.0
Brooks Reed HOU OLB 1.0
Shaughnessy ARI OLB 1.0
Malcolm Smith SEA OLB 1.0
Danny Trevathan DEN OLB 1.0
Courtney Upshaw BAL OLB 1.0
Jason Worilds PIT OLB 1.0
Dwight Freeney SD OLB 0.5


Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?

Sorry, don't know which OLB's play in the 4-3, or how many games they have started, but if you go to this site you will see many many more OLB's with 1 sack or less. Try to learn what you are posting about before you go off on someone who is on the team of which you purport to be a fan.

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How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:
Pretty piss poor work. See below.

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Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?
Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.

Greenway, Anderson, Harrison also 4-3. Groves - not even a starter. Really bad homework.

Looks like your bold was a reminder for yourself.
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Pretty crap poor work. See below.



Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.
"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?

I disclaimed not knowing which scheme any of those OLB's played in, or how many games they had started. However, many were rated in the top 60 for their position in terms of tackle production, so I have to think they started a lot of games. I know Freeny went down two weeks ago, but at the time he only had 0.5 sacks. Point is that you can be a great OLB and still not rack up a big sack total. Sacks are tough to get and often come in bunches. Brooks probably is a pure pass rusher less than 60% of the time. He comes close a lot, lots of pressure, and if you keep doing what you're supposed to do, the sacks will come.

OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?

The most important thing in Brooks Reed's favor is that the coaches---the people who know vastly more football than anyone on this board, including "Moderators"----and who sign the checks, love Brooks.

Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.

Incidentally, my bolded words were an admonition not to call someone on the Texans crap if you really don't know what you're talking about. I never called anyone on the Texans crap. I, in fact, was defending one.

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"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?
You asked a question, you got an answer.

[quote]OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?-/quote]

Do your own homework. Those were off the top of my head and illustrate your ta-da moment was bogus.

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Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.
Again, do your own homework. I wouldn't call blindly pulling an NFL.com list without regard to starting, injured or base D to qualify as work.

Anyway, if you choose to investigate you might look at 3-4's since that is what Brooks Reed plays in.
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Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.
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Sometimes you really don't have to add anything to a thread...the poster does all the work needed.
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Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.
Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.
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Glad you are happy with his long hair and one sack. sorry, that is awful for a fulltime 3-4 OLB. Run responsibilities be damned.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...R/ReedBr00.htm
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Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.
See? Reed is among very select company.

Talking about how many tackles Reed makes (either one of them, actually) is even less meaningful than talking about how many yards Schaub threw for. Worthless.
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Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.
And those would be?
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And those would be?
As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!

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I don't think brooks reed is all that. I don't want him playing ilb unless it's spot duty. I'd rather have a better OLB.

But I think he's be ok if there was a really good pass rusher opposite him. The wolb is mostly your pass rush guy and merciless looked good early in the year, but I haven't seen that same burst, and leverage. But yeah, Reed rushes enough as a solb to produce better sack numbers. He's just not all that good. I remember people kept wanting him to start over Mario as a rookie and how silly that sounded.

All that said, I'm not even sure the db's are making qb's hold the ball long enough for us to get the sack numbers. Even when we blitz it's not doing much.

The team is just a mess as a whole. There needs to be some looking in the mirror and some real evaluation at reliant....if they care about being great. If not then they can just keep ho-humming along.
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As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!
Mrs. Reed, we think your son is nice and all and I'm sure some like his long flowing locks but the fact is, he is not a good LB for the Texans. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.
Replace Reed with a average Joe and all of a sudden we are getting torched deep in the passing game.
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As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!
How would you feel if our running back performed at the 70 percentile level?

How about our starting LT?

Would Andre be Andre if he performed at the 70% level?

What if Ben Tate performed like 70% of the back-up running backs in the league?





That's the problem with 70%. We need & want better than 70%, we expect better than 70%. 70% would be aiight if Antonio was having another career year, if Jj Watt was on track for 20-20-20, if Mitchell would be on track for 8 sacks, & if Mercilus was on track for 14-15 sacks.

But they're not. Time to pick on the low hanging fruit.

Then there are those other things an OLB should excel at..... where Brooks is meh...
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The new Ed Reed just being Ed Reed...............i.e., confused?

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So far this season, Ed Reed has been paid ~$350,000 per tackle.
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