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Old 12-02-2013   #561
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to the question at hand, i'm still on board with matthews. if quess can replace smith (shouldnt be hard), right tackle is the only hole on offense unless keenum faceplants in these remaining games. shore up that position with a near "cant miss" for the next 10 years. who cares if it's a lower tier position, if you can add a lifer as a bookend you do it IMO.

my ideal scenario would be finishing first with teams thinking we're after the top quarterback (which we may be). trade down a spot or two for an extra pick and take matthews. then use the next two on defense - linebacker positions preferably. hit on matthews, and get at least starting quality players with the next two would alter this team drastically.
The new coach may run a new scheme , besides why does everyone think Q is the answer to all questions .
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If you want to see why QB is so important then just look at Indy's record the last couple of years when the only position they significantly upgraded is QB.

To win in this league you have to be strong at QB, OL, DL, and DB. Not necessarily in that order, but some combination of talent in those areas is required.

You don't have to have an elite QB, but your QB needs to be able to win you games. Your OL needs to be able to protect your QB, and open up holes for your running game when necessary. Your DL must be able to pressure the QB. Your DBs must be able to disrupt the passing game or create turnovers.
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to the question at hand, i'm still on board with matthews. if quess can replace smith (shouldnt be hard), right tackle is the only hole on offense unless keenum faceplants in these remaining games. shore up that position with a near "cant miss" for the next 10 years. who cares if it's a lower tier position, if you can add a lifer as a bookend you do it IMO.

my ideal scenario would be finishing first with teams thinking we're after the top quarterback (which we may be). trade down a spot or two for an extra pick and take matthews. then use the next two on defense - linebacker positions preferably. hit on matthews, and get at least starting quality players with the next two would alter this team drastically.
If Mathews is the pick we better move down. His name has him rated higher than he should be. Right now his play hasn't been dominate like a top ten OT should be.
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If Mathews is the pick we better move down. His name has him rated higher than he should be. Right now his play hasn't been dominate like a top ten OT should be.
Agree, there a couple of more athletic OTs than Matthews based on what I have watched, just this weekend alone. Kouandjio and Irving are 2 names that come to mind.
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Now that we are in the drivers seat regarding the 2014 draft, my whole approach to it has changed. Teddy Bridgewater in the 1st because without a high quality QB we ain't going anywhere, best OT available in the 2nd and I'm not opposed to trading up if someone good falls into the late 1st. We've got to protect our new QB investment and improve our overall O-line. From the 3rd round on, take the best available defensive player regardless of position. There will be good players that fall in every round, it happens every year, take the best available defensive players. We have needs at every defensive spot there is, so filling them with BPA should be easy. According to CBS new prospect rankings posted 12-02-13, many previously highly ranked players have fallen at CB, OG, ILB, DT, etc...
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I get that people are she'll shocked about the oline, but if we go RT in the 1st or 2nd and we don't address our pass rush with a really good player in free agency or early in the draft that will be a mistake.

Texans absolutely have to add some top end talent to that defense.

I know people don't want to hear this, but as bad as newton has been at times, RT can be addressed a little later in the draft or with a solid yet unspectacular free agent signing.
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Now that we are in the drivers seat regarding the 2014 draft, my whole approach to it has changed. Teddy Bridgewater in the 1st because without a high quality QB we ain't going anywhere, best OT available in the 2nd and I'm not opposed to trading up if someone good falls into the late 1st. We've got to protect our new QB investment and improve our overall O-line. From the 3rd round on, take the best available defensive player regardless of position. There will be good players that fall in every round, it happens every year, take the best available defensive players. We have needs at every defensive spot there is, so filling them with BPA should be easy. According to CBS new prospect rankings posted 12-02-13, many previously highly ranked players have fallen at CB, OG, ILB, DT, etc...
I could get on board with this if I believed Bridgewater was worth 1-1. Give me Clowney at 1-1, then Mettenberger (Impressed me with his toughness/elite arm strength/pro ready offense) or Bortles (who has the same type arm strength/mobility skills as Bridgewater,) late in the 1st or at 2-1.
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I could get on board with this if I believed Bridgewater was worth 1-1. Give me Clowney at 1-1, then Mettenberger (Impressed me with his toughness/elite arm strength/pro ready offense) or Bortles (who has the same type arm strength/mobility skills as Bridgewater,) late in the 1st or at 2-1.
creepy how you and i have been on the same page as of late. I believe Bridgewater is the best qb prospect, but i can see why folks might be hesistant to take him 1st overall....Especially with a Jevon Kearse like prospect in Clowney sitting right there. I like Mettenberger alot more than most on here as well so the bolded is the best case scenario in my mind...you could maybe interchange mettenberger out with Bortles or Murray & i'd be ok with that as well.
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Given Clowney's talent, I can see the argument to pass on Bridgewater at #1. Teddy is the closest QB in this draft to a sure thing, but he's not a guarantee.

I'm not super high on Mettenberger for right now, but I think he has a ton of upside. I would not want him starting next year though. He would get killed. Take him in the second or late in the first and coach him up. That would mean signing a vet to compete with Keenum and letting both Schaub and Yates go while Mettenberger carries a clipboard.
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Given Clowney's talent, I can see the argument to pass on Bridgewater at #1. Teddy is the closest QB in this draft to a sure thing, but he's not a guarantee.

I'm not super high on Mettenberger for right now, but I think he has a ton of upside. I would not want him starting next year though. He would get killed. Take him in the second or late in the first and coach him up. That would mean signing a vet to compete with Keenum and letting both Schaub and Yates go while Mettenberger carries a clipboard.
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Cutler.

They dont have the cap room to sign Cutler if the Bears were to let him go. (Doubtful) They could sign Cutler if they let JoJo and Schaub go. This would remove the need to draft a QB high and put the Texans in the drivers seat for this draft.
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They dont have the cap room to sign Cutler if the Bears were to let him go. (Doubtful) They could sign Cutler if they let JoJo and Schaub go. This would remove the need to draft a QB high and put the Texans in the drivers seat for this draft.
I think maybe he's saying Mettenberger = Cutler...
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I get that people are she'll shocked about the oline, but if we go RT in the 1st or 2nd and we don't address our pass rush with a really good player in free agency or early in the draft that will be a mistake.

Texans absolutely have to add some top end talent to that defense.

I know people don't want to hear this, but as bad as newton has been at times, RT can be addressed a little later in the draft or with a solid yet unspectacular free agent signing.
To me the OL needs a LG and A RT . The RT may be on the IR and depending on the new coach , little guards may have run their course .

The defense is an oddity because you have the defensive player of the year getting all the attention and nobody else can't get to the QB . A 3-4 without a beast OLB is puny .

QB is always the elephant in the room because if you possess a franchise one , your worries are much less . Nobody can cover for average/inexperienced players like a franshise QB or a monster pass rusher . The problem is , both of these positions are highly sought after and you hardly ever see them as FAs or lower round draft picks . I think an elite pass rusher comes with an athletic skill set that can be measured unlike a QB because numbers don't always translate into a great QB .


Therefore my picks

1. Clowney
2 QB
3.Yankey
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I think maybe he's saying Mettenberger = Cutler...
mettenberger tore is ACL

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That sucks because him and Murray really could have used the Senior Bowl to boost their stock.
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That sucks because him and Murray really could have used the Senior Bowl to boost their stock.
This is better than a cyber monday sale if you like one of the two .
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So would you take a very good but not elite QB over an elite DE?

As an exercise, would you take someone like a Matt Ryan/Jay Cutler over a JJ Watt/Julius Peppers?
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creepy how you and i have been on the same page as of late. I believe Bridgewater is the best qb prospect, but i can see why folks might be hesistant to take him 1st overall....Especially with a Jevon Kearse like prospect in Clowney sitting right there. I like Mettenberger alot more than most on here as well so the bolded is the best case scenario in my mind...you could maybe interchange mettenberger out with Bortles or Murray & i'd be ok with that as well.
I think I'm right with you here. Take Clowney 1-1 - then if you can snag Mettenberger or Bortles in the 2nd, you're golden. I would take Bortles over Mettenberger, if I had my druthers (if he declares). At the worst (or maybe best) you're getting McCarron, Murray or Boyd in the 2nd.

I just see it as a win-win by not taking Bridgewater 1-1 and shooting for another possible bust in the 2nd.
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Honestly I have no problem grabbing a guy like Mettenberger or Murray and letting them get healthy for a year (like a medical redshirt in college); I would like to see the team compete for a championship soon, but realistically it will probably take a season or two, even with how talented the team is already - in spite of injuries fogging that up.

Grabbing Clowney and a future QB, letting the (potential) new head coach ease in, etc., and perhaps even getting a top pick in 2015 wouldn't be the worst thing. Especially if Clowney won't be at 100% due to foot surgery.
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So would you take a very good but not elite QB over an elite DE?

As an exercise, would you take someone like a Matt Ryan/Jay Cutler over a JJ Watt/Julius Peppers?
How about this one - how many DLmen are there in the league right now who teams would significantly downgrade (defined as there wouldn't be any real debate that it is a downgrade) their QB to get (full careers on both players)?

That involves the full equation - a team willing to move from a QB there is no argument is better than Jay Cutler to Jay Cutler to get JJ Watt.
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