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Old 11-28-2013   #521
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Is a mettenberger / flaco comparison a fair one? I've seen highlights for a lot of these guys but almost no actual game play. A manziel / wilson comparison looks solid to me...but I'll defer to what you guys have seen.
I like the Mettenberger Flacco comparison and it's the one I use because of Cam Cameron. However all 3 are pocket passers with no real threat to run with the ball. And all 3 have a big arm.
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After week 12 the Houston Texans have the 2nd pick in the 2014 NFL Draft:

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html
Why not pencil us in with the first pick? It's highly unlikely we're going to beat the Patriots, Jaguars, Colts, Broncos and Titans. Four of those five teams could make the playoffs (Titans have the last wild-card spot in the AFC right now). The only winnable game is at Jacksonville but entertain me with the idea that we can somehow win at their place when we couldn't even beat them at Reliant Stadium?
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Why not pencil us in with the first pick? It's highly unlikely we're going to beat the Patriots, Jaguars, Colts, Broncos and Titans. Four of those five teams could make the playoffs (Titans have the last wild-card spot in the AFC right now). The only winnable game is at Jacksonville but entertain me with the idea that we can somehow win at their place when we couldn't even beat them at Reliant Stadium?
If the Texans are the only 2-14 team, YES. If Atlanta is 2-14 the Texans could likely lose out due to opponents W-L %. The good news is Atlanta won't be looking for a QB with Matty Ice having a long term contract.
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If the Texans are the only 2-14 team, YES. If Atlanta is 2-14 the Texans could likely lose out due to opponents W-L %. The good news is Atlanta won't be looking for a QB with Matty Ice having a long term contract.
At this point I'm really hoping for the first pick. If Atl ends up drafting first they're in a perfect position to trade down, as a team needing a QB would have to jump us to make sure they get the guy they want
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At this point I'm really hoping for the first pick. If Atl ends up drafting first they're in a perfect position to trade down, as a team needing a QB would have to jump us to make sure they get the guy they want
Me too! I'm hoping that Atlanta can win their game at home against the Skins week 15.
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for me OLB isn't has bad as people are saying. ILB is imo far worse. Mercilus and Reed arnt getting sack numbers but are pressuring the QB resulting in houston being 3rd overall in QB hurries.
I think an upgrade at DT and ILB would help a lot more then another OLB.
I agree and Trevardo should help. Maybe some are forgetting the hope he brought when drafted.
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I agree and Trevardo should help. Maybe some are forgetting the hope he brought when drafted.
I don't think people forget. I wasn't enamored with the pick myself.

But I think people are remembering his pre season play. Maybe he was hurt, but he looked terrible.
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At this point I'm really hoping for the first pick. If Atl ends up drafting first they're in a perfect position to trade down, as a team needing a QB would have to jump us to make sure they get the guy they want
unless we put up our pick for trade.

as another poster said, the falcons won't be looking for a QB, so a team doesn't HAVE to trade with ATL to jump us if we want to trade down as well.

ATL would be stupid to trade down because they need big time help with pass rushers and clowney and Barr are staring them straight in the face with the number 1 pick.
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Walter Football has us taking Clowney in the first, with Boyd and Skov in the second and third rounds, respectively.
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unless we put up our pick for trade.

as another poster said, the falcons won't be looking for a QB, so a team doesn't HAVE to trade with ATL to jump us if we want to trade down as well.

ATL would be stupid to trade down because they need big time help with pass rushers and clowney and Barr are staring them straight in the face with the number 1 pick.
Atl could trade down because they don't need a QB. At this point it looks like we do, so if a team like Jacksonville was drafting 3rd (with Atl 1st and we're second) they could easily throw a couple picks to Atl to move up to land the top QB prospect and Atl can still land either Barr or Clowney.

I can't imagine us trading down with our QB situation up in the air, but I could be wrong
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Walter Football has us taking Clowney in the first, with Boyd and Skov in the second and third rounds, respectively.
The NFL still thinks Clowney is the top prospect. Unless the Texans keep Rick Smith or rehire Casserly, I think Clowney would be the Texans pick at #1 overall. Just thinking about Watt and Clowney on the same defensive front is sick. I know Andrew Luck would be sick.
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The NFL still thinks Clowney is the top prospect. Unless the Texans keep Rick Smith or rehire Casserly, I think Clowney would be the Texans pick at #1 overall. Just thinking about Watt and Clowney on the same defensive front is sick. I know Andrew Luck would be sick.
Tell Clowney that his job is to keep up with that JJ fellar all off season .
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Atl could trade down because they don't need a QB. At this point it looks like we do, so if a team like Jacksonville was drafting 3rd (with Atl 1st and we're second) they could easily throw a couple picks to Atl to move up to land the top QB prospect and Atl can still land either Barr or Clowney.

I can't imagine us trading down with our QB situation up in the air, but I could be wrong
Agree, Atlanta has BIG holes in both lines and could be enamored with extra draft picks.
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The NFL still thinks Clowney is the top prospect. Unless the Texans keep Rick Smith or rehire Casserly, I think Clowney would be the Texans pick at #1 overall. Just thinking about Watt and Clowney on the same defensive front is sick. I know Andrew Luck would be sick.
Well Casserly drafted Mario Williams and I trust Rick Smith enough to make that decision, so no worries there.
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Well Casserly drafted Mario Williams and I trust Rick Smith enough to make that decision, so no worries there.
Rick Smith followed that up with Amobe Okoye. Contrary to popular belief Smith is a not a GM with final say. Smith fills the same position Scott Pioli did as GM of the Patriots. Belichick trusted Pioli to do what Belichick needed to be done. The same way Kubiak trusts Smith to do what Kubiak needs Smith to do. So Okoye was really a Kubiak decision regardless of what people think they believe.
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Everyone loves to complain about Smith over. Pokey and then forget to mention our first round picks ever since have either been money or played well after developing.
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Everyone loves to complain about Smith over. Pokey and then forget to mention our first round picks ever since have either been money or played well after developing.
Tell mee more about Rick's ability to evaluate DB's?
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Everyone loves to complain about Smith over. Pokey and then forget to mention our first round picks ever since have either been money or played well after developing.
The point is Rick Smith doesn't get the blame for draft picks and he doesn't get credit for draft picks. Kubiak allows his coaches to select the players. The problem here is Kubiak doesn't select the best coaches, Kubiak selects his best friends. All player personnel decisions get Kubiak's final blessing. That goes with final say on the 53 man roster, part of Kubiak's contract.
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He drafted Jackson who has developed well under the Wade, whom Smith hired. He also brought in Joseph and Manning as FAs. Point me to a franchise that finds pro-bowl DBS every year.

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The point is Rick Smith doesn't get the blame for draft picks and he doesn't get credit for draft picks. Kubiak allows his coaches to select the players. The problem here is Kubiak doesn't select the best coaches, Kubiak selects his best friends. All player personnel decisions get Kubiak's final blessing. That goes with final say on the 53 man roster, part of Kubiak's contract.
No no, I'm saying he should get both, only that Okoye* is what everyone points to as a mistake when it was his first pick as GM, not his latest.
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