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Old 11-26-2013   #501
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Wow ... and Johnny wasn't even around then .
Johnny is going to live by the sword, die by the sword. Johnny will be much like Michael Vick was in Atlanta except with a better arm. If he gets a coach who confines him to the pocket like Philly has with Vick, Johnny will get killed like Vick in Philly. There will not be a more exciting player to watch if Johnny is allowed to be Johnny. IMHO Johnny will get his team very close to the Big Show but in the end, no cigar....(much like the SEC Championship Game) all my post about Johnny have been directed at those who say his game will not translate to the NFL. IMHO his game will and it will be better than many.....and hey, I'm not an Aggie......and anyone who can't say the Johnny Football hasn't been the most exciting player in college football these last two years is full of bovine manure and doesn't know the round brown from a hole in the ground......that is all. I see your
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Johnny is going to live by the sword, die by the sword. Johnny will be much like Michael Vick was in Atlanta except with a better arm. If he gets a coach who confines him to the pocket like Philly has with Vick, Johnny will get killed like Vick in Philly. There will not be a more exciting player to watch if Johnny is allowed to be Johnny. IMHO Johnny will get his team very close to the Big Show but in the end, no cigar....(much like the SEC Championship Game) all my post about Johnny have been directed at those who say his game will not translate to the NFL. IMHO his game will and it will be better than many.....and hey, I'm not an Aggie.
He's got some good things going for him and he could be good . It will be exciting come February when the whole process takes off . That's the state of Texans football these days , draft talk .
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If you hit 40% of your draft you've done well .

KC picked 1st overall last year and their not so happy with Fisher . Joeckel is out for the year and the Dolphins guy can't stay on the field . It's a crap shoot that gets revealed 3 years down the road .
That's why most yrs I'm in favor of trading up to the 2nd rd. You should be able to hit on your 1st and 2nd rd picks. (Even at the level of Fisher you've got a contributor) So you add 3 contributors each yr. (Unless your Rick und picking Harris/JOkOye etc....) Then in rds 5-7 I pick talented small school guys. Atleast they will add speed to the ST's. (Lord knows the Texans could use that) Or talented but troubled guys. (Lyrela/Dyer/Crowell) If they fall of the wagon you really haven't lost anything except a late rd pick that probably wouldn't have contributed to the team anyway.

That's my philosophy, Obviously Rick has a different philosophy that hasn't worked out too well.

BTW, I'm a fan of trading down this yr. the cut off is the middle of the 4th rd for talent that can help your team this yr. Say trade down for both of the Browns #1's and because the Texans should get a comp 5th rd pick trade a 5th/6th rd pick to move up into the 4th rd.

Your draft would look like this.
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Rd.3 top of rd
Rd.4 Top of rd. pick
Rd.4 Mid rd pick.
Rd.5 comp pick
Rd.7 Top rd pick

You could add 6 top 100-115 picks in a deep draft and add a RB like Dyer in the 5th and a TE like Lyrela in the 7th.

Do you think a draft like this would help the Texans fill some holes and ad much needed depth/speed?

This isn't the brain surgery Rick/Gary make it out to be. It just takes hard work and accumen for the job.
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Johnny is going to live by the sword, die by the sword. Johnny will be much like Michael Vick was in Atlanta except with a better arm.
In what way is JM's arm better than Vick's?
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That's why most yrs I'm in favor of trading up to the 2nd rd. You should be able to hit on your 1st and 2nd rd picks. (Even at the level of Fisher you've got a contributor) So you add 3 contributors each yr. (Unless your Rick und picking Harris/JOkOye etc....) Then in rds 5-7 I pick talented small school guys. Atleast they will add speed to the ST's. (Lord knows the Texans could use that) Or talented but troubled guys. (Lyrela/Dyer/Crowell) If they fall of the wagon you really haven't lost anything except a late rd pick that probably wouldn't have contributed to the team anyway.

That's my philosophy, Obviously Rick has a different philosophy that hasn't worked out too well.

BTW, I'm a fan of trading down this yr. the cut off is the middle of the 4th rd for talent that can help your team this yr. Say trade down for both of the Browns #1's and because the Texans should get a comp 5th rd pick trade a 5th/6th rd pick to move up into the 4th rd.

Your draft would look like this.
Rd.1
Rd.1
Rd.2 pick 33
Rd.3 top of rd
Rd.4 Top of rd. pick
Rd.4 Mid rd pick.
Rd.5 comp pick
Rd.7 Top rd pick

You could add 6 top 100-115 picks in a deep draft and add a RB like Dyer in the 5th and a TE like Lyrela in the 7th.

Do you think a draft like this would help the Texans fill some holes and ad much needed depth/speed?

This isn't the brain surgery Rick/Gary make it out to be. It just takes hard work and accumen for the job.
The Texans need good cheap players badly . Their cap looks like a meth heads billfold because I think they anticipated the cap growing .

I think the big three areas are QB , OL , OLB . They need depth everywhere . I think you can't get everything in one year but you can get some more of your building blocks in place . That's where the later round guys come in . Get a RB , fat guys , and then guys who hit a 4.4 .

I think a competent QB and a dominant pass rusher cover up lots of bad players . The Texans are in luck because they're halfway there . JJ needs help and those guys get draft early as does a QB . So a QB , DE or OLB , RT , G , DT . If Gary leaves they might not run a ZBS but you need upgrades anyway .
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, and then guys who hit a 4.4 .
Is that you Al Davis?
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In what way is JM's arm better than Vick's?
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OK, that's not normally what people refer to as arm. But thanks for clarifying.
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The Texans need good cheap players badly . Their cap looks like a meth heads billfold because I think they anticipated the cap growing .

I think the big three areas are QB , OL , OLB . They need depth everywhere . I think you can't get everything in one year but you can get some more of your building blocks in place . That's where the later round guys come in . Get a RB , fat guys , and then guys who hit a 4.4 .

I think a competent QB and a dominant pass rusher cover up lots of bad players . The Texans are in luck because they're halfway there . JJ needs help and those guys get draft early as does a QB . So a QB , DE or OLB , RT , G , DT . If Gary leaves they might not run a ZBS but you need upgrades anyway .
They also need a DT to control the LOS so Cushing has a chance to stay healthy. I wouldn't mind seeing Clowney in the 1st OT in Schreff in the 2nd McCarron 3rd and Carrethers in the 4th.

Add nickle CB to the list McCain is awful. How confident are you in Rick's ability to judge talent, hire HC, put the right people in place for the rebuild? That thought colors me skeptical at best.
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The Texans need good cheap players badly . Their cap looks like a meth heads billfold because I think they anticipated the cap growing .

I think the big three areas are QB , OL , OLB . They need depth everywhere . I think you can't get everything in one year but you can get some more of your building blocks in place . That's where the later round guys come in . Get a RB , fat guys , and then guys who hit a 4.4 .

I think a competent QB and a dominant pass rusher cover up lots of bad players . The Texans are in luck because they're halfway there . JJ needs help and those guys get draft early as does a QB . So a QB , DE or OLB , RT , G , DT . If Gary leaves they might not run a ZBS but you need upgrades anyway .
Foster is having back surgery and Tate is a FA. Daniels coming off 2nd major injury on backside of career and Graham is a FA. Earl Mitchell and Antonio Smith are FA. Only ILB on current 2014 roster is Cushing. = DIRE STRAITS
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Foster is having back surgery and Tate is a FA. Daniels coming off 2nd major injury on backside of career and Graham is a FA. Earl Mitchell and Antonio Smith are FA. Only ILB on current 2014 roster is Cushing. = DIRE STRAITS
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I still do, one of my all time favorites, from 6:40 is about as good as it gets; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2nQZPC2uTs
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Foster is having back surgery and Tate is a FA. Daniels coming off 2nd major injury on backside of career and Graham is a FA. Earl Mitchell and Antonio Smith are FA. Only ILB on current 2014 roster is Cushing. = DIRE STRAITS
So you are playing whack a mole to The Sultans of Swing . A Rubic's cube has less options than the Texans come draft day . A RT helps the QB who helps everyone on offense . An OLB helps JJ and the Pass rush which helps the secondary . Once again you can't fill a swimming pool with a couple of buckets of water .
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That's why most yrs I'm in favor of trading up to the 2nd rd. You should be able to hit on your 1st and 2nd rd picks. (Even at the level of Fisher you've got a contributor) So you add 3 contributors each yr. (Unless your Rick und picking Harris/JOkOye etc....) Then in rds 5-7 I pick talented small school guys. Atleast they will add speed to the ST's. (Lord knows the Texans could use that) Or talented but troubled guys. (Lyrela/Dyer/Crowell) If they fall of the wagon you really haven't lost anything except a late rd pick that probably wouldn't have contributed to the team anyway.

That's my philosophy, Obviously Rick has a different philosophy that hasn't worked out too well.

BTW, I'm a fan of trading down this yr. the cut off is the middle of the 4th rd for talent that can help your team this yr. Say trade down for both of the Browns #1's and because the Texans should get a comp 5th rd pick trade a 5th/6th rd pick to move up into the 4th rd.

Your draft would look like this.
Rd.1
Rd.1
Rd.2 pick 33
Rd.3 top of rd
Rd.4 Top of rd. pick
Rd.4 Mid rd pick.
Rd.5 comp pick
Rd.7 Top rd pick

You could add 6 top 100-115 picks in a deep draft and add a RB like Dyer in the 5th and a TE like Lyrela in the 7th.

Do you think a draft like this would help the Texans fill some holes and ad much needed depth/speed?

This isn't the brain surgery Rick/Gary make it out to be. It just takes hard work and accumen for the job.
The more I watch these QB's the more I am leaning to your ideals. I really do like Clowney despite the negatives but if the right deal came along, well! If we could move down say no lower than 12 or 14 I'm the first and pickup another first and second this or next year, there is no way I would pass that up.
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So you are playing whack a mole to The Sultans of Swing . A Rubic's cube has less options than the Texans come draft day . A RT helps the QB who helps everyone on offense . An OLB helps JJ and the Pass rush which helps the secondary . Once again you can't fill a swimming pool with a couple of buckets of water .
for me OLB isn't has bad as people are saying. ILB is imo far worse. Mercilus and Reed arnt getting sack numbers but are pressuring the QB resulting in houston being 3rd overall in QB hurries.
I think an upgrade at DT and ILB would help a lot more then another OLB.

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The more I watch the qb's the more I want bridgewater.

I've watched some film of the top 5 guys or so. Still a bunch more to go. To me manziel and Mariota are lesser versions of Russell Wilson. Not that they can't be successful, but I think they are going to need the right systems. And they might be like kaepernick where they have some big impact games and then really struggle a bunch. I'm not big on manziel or mariota.

So far after bridgewater I like mettenberger and Carr. I don't think either are on Teddy's level, but if I had a lower pick I'd take them and feel good about them. Carr has some great physical attributes man. Mettenberger looks like he can be a good qb for a long, long time. Big guy, looks good in the pocket throwing the ball. I'd be ok with either of these guys, but I probably would prefer mettenberger as I think he's a much more advanced passer.

Going to watch more or these guys to see if any would actually entice me to trade down if we had the 1A pick.
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The more I watch the qb's the more I want bridgewater.

I've watched some film of the top 5 guys or so. Still a bunch more to go. To me manziel and Mariota are lesser versions of Russell Wilson. Not that they can't be successful, but I think they are going to need the right systems. And they might be like kaepernick where they have some big impact games and then really struggle a bunch. I'm not big on manziel or mariota.

So far after bridgewater I like mettenberger and Carr. I don't think either are on Teddy's level, but if I had a lower pick I'd take them and feel good about them. Carr has some great physical attributes man. Mettenberger looks like he can be a good qb for a long, long time. Big guy, looks good in the pocket throwing the ball. I'd be ok with either of these guys, but I probably would prefer mettenberger as I think he's a much more advanced passer.

Going to watch more or these guys to see if any would actually entice me to trade down if we had the 1A pick.
Is a mettenberger / flaco comparison a fair one? I've seen highlights for a lot of these guys but almost no actual game play. A manziel / wilson comparison looks solid to me...but I'll defer to what you guys have seen.
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Default Re: Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

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Is a mettenberger / flaco comparison a fair one?
Big Ben is a pretty common comparison.
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