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Old 11-18-2013   #361
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I just don't see a guy in this draft who is that "probably can't miss" franchise QB. I don't see him. I watched Bridgewater against UH like many of you and I came away very meh on him. Nor do I believe that Manziel is going to pan out like so many here do. I don't think he'll be effective for long in the NFL.

I don't see the next Luck or RGIII waiting on us and so I would prefer we tread water for a year and select the other half of our "bookends" in the form of Matthews. Then we can come back and look at the QB's coming out in 2015.

That's just my opinion. We're going to see what happens one way or the other in the years to come.
We should of sold out for RG3 like I wanted to. Luck and RG3 were rare talents. They don't come along often. If you are holding out for one of them you are in for a long wait. I don't know if there is a franchise guy in this draft or not. Again we will know more after the combine. At this point this is all there is to be excited about. We have a chance to get a rare talent in clowney or a stud OL In Mathews or maybe just maybe finally a franchise QB. I can't wait to see who our new coach is going to be. It will be fun trying to figure out what he will be looking for.

Man I wish this was week 18.
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What's the chances we have a real opportunity to draft either of those guys next year? I'm fine with clowney or Mathews or BPA. Just as long as we don't pass up a franchise QB. Obviously we will know more after the combine.

The Redskins were able to trade up, the Giants for Eli, Ravens for Flacco etc.... so it can be done. I dont see a QB in this draft that will be as good as Matt Ryan. Forget about a Manning/Brady/Brees/Luck in this draft.
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We should of sold out for RG3 like I wanted to. Luck and RG3 were rare talents. They don't come along often. If you are holding out for one of them you are in for a long wait. I don't know if there is a franchise guy in this draft or not.
I can't say I agree; RG3 is legit but at the time we had Schaub entering a contract year and would eventually be extended. Giving up the bank for him would mean no Mercilus, no Brooks, no Jones, no Hopkins, and no Swearinger at a minimum (assuming it would cost more to move up from where we were relative to the Redskins).

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Who knows, there could be a guy like Poe who comes out of nowhere. For the moment I say we focus on Clowney as long as we stay in top-3 range, trade-down for Manziel if we get into the 5-8 range and use the extra picks to build the trenches, and if we somehow get the #1 overall we kick back, pop the champagne, and wait for the phone calls.

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I understand the need to add TEs w/ Daniels coming off 2nd major injury on backside of his career and Graham becoming a FA. However an a 2nd or 3nd RD may be a bit of an over reaction. Both Daniels and Graham were 4th RD picks and that's where I've Arthur Lynch, TE, Georgia in my mock
i don't think its an over reaction. Daniels is a top 10 TE when healthy but he hasn't been for a while and is only getting older and is a strong candidate for getting released and to me GG is exactly the worth of a 4th rounder ...JAG.
I would like to see a playmaker at the position.
especially if your going to keep keenum has your starter next year.
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Fo me it's a toss up between Clowney and Matthews.

Which way would you go?

Or is Johnny Football your pick? I would rather wait until 2015 see if Case is the guy and if he's not pick either Hogan/Petty.
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We should of sold out for RG3 like I wanted to. Luck and RG3 were rare talents. They don't come along often. If you are holding out for one of them you are in for a long wait.
mussop, watching RGIII play this season he doesn't look like a rare talent to me. Maybe he's still hesitant to play like he did last year coming off the injury, but he's making a lot of mistakes and the 3-7 Redskins aren't much better than the Texans right now. There is talk of the Redskins cleaning house in the off-season and firing Mike Shanahan.
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Fo me it's a toss up between Clowney and Matthews.

Which way would you go?

Or is Johnny Football your pick? I would rather wait until 2015 see if Case is the guy and if he's not pick either Hogan/Petty.
Clowney at #3 or trading down a few spots and grabbing Manziel. Either way, you can find good, talented tackles in the high second round.
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Fo me it's a toss up between Clowney and Matthews.

Which way would you go?

Or is Johnny Football your pick? I would rather wait until 2015 see if Case is the guy and if he's not pick either Hogan/Petty.
At this juncture I would go Johnny Football for the simple reasons that at present the Texans have no answer at QB to respond to Andrew Luck. Assuming the Jags will draft Bridgewater or Mariota (and not JF) there is no answer to respond to them either. One thing about Johnny Football, he knows how to respond, JF has to score 50 if the Aggies want a chance to win because their defense is going to give up 40. JF has been pretty good at putting up those winning numbers.

Conventional wisdom says rookie NFL QBs need 19 games starting before you know what you have. So far the jury is out on Keenum and by the results so far that jury could be out for a while. If Case is not the answer, then what? You're another 2-3 years behind the 8 ball. Plus there is no guarantee the Texans will be in this position next year. I say strike when you can when the fire is hot. If the Texans win 6-7 games in 2014, Hogan and Petty could be out of the picture. Hopefully Case turns out to be above average. If that's case you have a QB ready should Manziel stubb his stout toe. If Manziel turns out to be as advertised and Case performs well, Keenum in a best case scenario might be worth a Carson Palmer ( a 1) trade or an Alex Smith (a 2 and 3) trade. Either way you've protected yourself and made sure that you've a QB who can compete with Luck, Bridgewater or Mariota.
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I can't say I agree; RG3 is legit but at the time we had Schaub entering a contract year and would eventually be extended. Giving up the bank for him would mean no Mercilus, no Brooks, no Jones, no Hopkins, and no Swearinger at a minimum (assuming it would cost more to move up from where we were relative to the Redskins).



Who knows, there could be a guy like Poe who comes out of nowhere. For the moment I say we focus on Clowney as long as we stay in top-3 range, trade-down for Manziel if we get into the 5-8 range and use the extra picks to build the trenches, and if we somehow get the #1 overall we kick back, pop the champagne, and wait for the phone calls.



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The Texans could've have included Schaub, Winston, Vickers, Ryans and Jones along with draft picks as part of deal to move.....just saying.

Let's be clear, Schaub was Kubiak's guy, Gary had invested 2 twos to get Matt. To go all in for RGIII would mean Gary would have to admit failure or that he had just made a 2 twos mistake. That wasn't going to happen. Why? Because we know Gary Kubiak is not Jimmy Johnson.
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Let's be clear, Schaub was Kubiak's guy, Gary had invested 2 twos to get Matt. To go all in for RGIII would mean Gary would have to admit failure or that he had just made a 2 twos mistake. That wasn't going to happen. Why? Because we know Gary Kubiak is not Jimmy Johnson.
More like Schaub & his contract had outlived their usefulness .... not so much a mistake at the time they made the deal because Schaub did perform well for several seasons.

I don't think anyone expected Schaub to go from serviceable to historically bad. No one expected him to put the team on his shoulders either - all he had to do was manage the game & take what the defense gave. They built the team around his deficiencies with a strong defense and running game.
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At this juncture I would go Johnny Football for the simple reasons that at present the Texans have no answer at QB to respond to Andrew Luck. Assuming the Jags will draft Bridgewater or Mariota (and not JF) there is no answer to respond to them either. One thing about Johnny Football, he knows how to respond, JF has to score 50 if the Aggies want a chance to win because their defense is going to give up 40. JF has been pretty good at putting up those winning numbers.

Conventional wisdom says rookie NFL QBs need 19 games starting before you know what you have. So far the jury is out on Keenum and by the results so far that jury could be out for a while. If Case is not the answer, then what? You're another 2-3 years behind the 8 ball. Plus there is no guarantee the Texans will be in this position next year. I say strike when you can when the fire is hot. If the Texans win 6-7 games in 2014, Hogan and Petty could be out of the picture. Hopefully Case turns out to be above average. If that's case you have a QB ready should Manziel stubb his stout toe. If Manziel turns out to be as advertised and Case performs well, Keenum in a best case scenario might be worth a Carson Palmer ( a 1) trade or an Alex Smith (a 2 and 3) trade. Either way you've protected yourself and made sure that you've a QB who can compete with Luck, Bridgewater or Mariota.
Nobody knew you liked Johnny Football .

I would bet JF goes closer to the top of the 2nd than the top of the 1st .
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I would bet JF goes closer to the top of the 2nd than the top of the 1st .
Man I don't know .... Is he a huge gamble ? Absolutely.

Will some QB needy team make that gamble early .... I'm almost certain of it.


What he's able to do is awful special , I just wonder how it translates to the NFL , then I watch Keenum escape pressure and Manziel is much better in that aspect ... It could work.

Manziel would probably be best suited to another year in college where he could work on reading defenses among other things ... but its hard to leave that kinda $$$ on the table and it will be just as hard for NFL teams to leave that type of potential for someone behind them to take.


What if he wins back to back Heisman trophy's ...
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Man I don't know .... Is he a huge gamble ? Absolutely.

Will some QB needy team make that gamble early .... I'm almost certain of it.


What he's able to do is awful special , I just wonder how it translates to the NFL , then I watch Keenum escape pressure and Manziel is much better in that aspect ... It could work.

Manziel would probably be best suited to another year in college where he could work on reading defenses among other things ... but its hard to leave that kinda $$$ on the table and it will be just as hard for NFL teams to leave that type of potential for someone behind them to take.


What if he wins back to back Heisman trophy's ...

I think guys like Johnny get penalized because of the height . This will hurt Boyd and Murray also . Guys like Mariota and Hundley will go higher because of their size but they don't have the experience as these guys .

If I was going to buy stock in a prospect hoping to put a little in and make a bunch it would be with Hundley . If I was going to take a guy trying to copy Seattle and Russell Wilson in the 3rd , it would be Aarron Murray .
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More like Schaub & his contract had outlived their usefulness .... not so much a mistake at the time they made the deal because Schaub did perform well for several seasons.

I don't think anyone expected Schaub to go from serviceable to historically bad. No one expected him to put the team on his shoulders either - all he had to do was manage the game & take what the defense gave. They built the team around his deficiencies with a strong defense and running game.
The reason I wanted the Texans to go all in for RGIII had nothing to do with Schaub and everything to do with Andrew Luck. I felt at the time if the Texans didn't do something to counter the Luck draft pick it wouldn't be long before the Colts were back a top of the division. I still think this will be the case. Schaub at best was a short term fire wall. It now appears the fire wall has been breached and the Texans have assumed the position of healthcare.gov and they still haven't done anything to respond to the Andrew Luck draft pick.

The way things stand today the Texans again will have to borrow from 2015, 2016 and 2017 to meet the minimum 2014 financial obligations. One can only imagine how much the mortgaged will be and how BAD it will be if Kubiak gets another "Hot Seat" reprieve. The Colts begin 2014 $40 million under the cap.

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I think guys like Johnny get penalized because of the height . This will hurt Boyd and Murray also . Guys like Mariota and Hundley will go higher because of their size but they don't have the experience as these guys .

If I was going to buy stock in a prospect hoping to put a little in and make a bunch it would be with Hundley . If I was going to take a guy trying to copy Seattle and Russell Wilson in the 3rd , it would be Aarron Murray .
And what does Hundley have other than slightly better measureables over Manzel?
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Nobody knew you liked Johnny Football .

I would bet JF goes closer to the top of the 2nd than the top of the 1st .
#1 Points Responsible For per Game = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/747

#1 Points Responsible For = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/692

#1 Completion Percentage = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/755

#3 Passing Efficiency = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...t/individual/8

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#1 Points Responsible per Game = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/747

#1 Points Responsible For = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/692

#1 Completion Percentage = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/755

#3 Passing Efficency = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...t/individual/8

#3 Passing TDs = Johnny Manziel http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...individual/751
A draft is a projection to the next level , that's it . Hundley is a big , athletic , smart guy with a big arm . Johnny Football is a good player but the projection is how will he do in the pros . Do y'all think JF will be held in the same regard as Michael Vick ? That's the only 6 foot QB I know who went high in the 1st round .
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A draft is a projection to the next level , that's it . Hundley is a big , athletic , smart guy with a big arm . Johnny Football is a good player but the projection is how will he do in the pros . Do y'all think JF will be held in the same regard as Michael Vick ? That's the only 6 foot QB I know who went high in the 1st round .
To be honest , of all the QB's who may go in the first year this round I like Hundley the least ....

I think Manziel has the highest upside and the biggest bust potential.

Murray is probably under rated by most and I probably under value McCarron ....

Bridgewater is probably over rated .... and I dunno what to think about Mariota.
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To be honest , of all the QB's who may go in the first year this round I like Hundley the least ....

I think Manziel has the highest upside and the biggest bust potential.

Murray is probably under rated by most and I probably under value McCarron ....

Bridgewater is probably over rated .... and I dunno what to think about Mariota.
Hundley is a red shirt soph playing behind 3 freshman OL . The talent is there IMO , he just has to make things happen this year . If he were to go back to UCLA with a year under the OLs belt , and with the talent on that team , Hundley would be the #1 pick in 2015 .

If short QBs have big hands , it's not that big a deal . Russell Wilson and Drew Brees both have 10 inch hands . So does Andrew Luck and Johnny Football has big hands and wears a size 15 shoe .
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