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Updated: October 3, 2013, 5:34 PM ET
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Without emotion or even rancor in his voice, San Francisco 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said Thursday he wants to see the NFL improve its calling of illegal hits.

San Francisco safety Donte Whitner -- who said this week he is legally changing his last name to "Hitner," partly as a protest of what he thinks are unjust penalties -- has been penalized for illegal hits the past two weeks and was fined $21,000 on Tuesday for a Week 4 hit.

Fangio said, from the angles he saw on Whtiner's hit on the Rams' Chris Givens, that it was a "good play." In Week 3, Whitner was penalized for using the crown of his helmet, but the NFL later admitted it was a legal hit.

The straight-shooting Fangio was asked his thoughts and he gave them.

"They need to err on the correct side, not on the safe side," Fangio said. "Because if it is an illegal hit, the guy will get fined on Monday or Tuesday. If you miss it as an official, that doesn't mean that it's over and done with. ... The part that's hard about it all is the league has instructed officials to err on the side of caution, so they're going to throw the flag no matter what."

Fangio said often "great" defensive plays initially look illegal and he thinks that's why officials have been quick to throw penalty flags with such an emphasis on safety.


"They should be fining the quarterback for throwing these guys into those big hits,"
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(on if the 49ers defense is similar to the one Wade Phillips runs here)
“A little bit. Front-wise, yeah it is. Front-wise, yeah it’s what we’ve got going on coverage-wise, a little bit the same and different in some areas. Built a little bit different as far as the size. Really a big, big defensive football team. Obviously, they’re missing 99 (Aldon Smith) right now. With him being out, the other guy has come in and played very well. The two inside guys are probably as good as we play against. And this team will play a little bit of nickel, they play a little bit of everything. Very active. What are they fourth or fifth in defense? This will be the second week in a row we’ll play an excellent defense in our league, a very physical team.”

(on what 49ers ILB’s Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman bring) “The thing that’s impressive is, usually in a 3-4 defense, you may have some inside linebackers that leave the field. These guys aren’t leaving the field. They’re going to play every down, whether it’s nickel, dime, base. They can run. They can cover. A lot like (Brian) Cushing from that standpoint, what you get on the field when they play. They’re interchangeable in a lot of things they do. They can put their hand down and rush. Those things just make it tough on you.”



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(on if the team missed ILB Brian Cushing in the second half and if that was why Seattle was able to come back and win)
“I don’t know. It always makes a difference when a star player is out of there. We had them down fourth-and-4. They only had one drive in the whole game. They had 225 yards of total offense when regulation was over. They were 20 percent on third downs. I think we played good without him, but you can always play better if you have a great player in there.”

(on if has keys for his players to keeping a mobile quarterback like Colin Kaepernick contained)
“Last week, it wasn’t as much the read-option. They didn’t hurt us with that. It was just quarterback scrambling on pass plays. It’s hard to replicate those kinds of guys—their speed, their elusiveness—in practice. On that one drive, we found out the guy can really do some magical things. This guy is the same way. They can have big games running the ball when they’re supposed to pass it. We learned something from that, but this guy is similar. He can give you the same kind of problem.”

(on how he balances letting his players be aggressive and containing a mobile quarterback) “You want them to be aggressive and there is a fine line in there. Part of it is experience, I think, experience against those kinds of quarterbacks. If you play enough of them, you realize hey I can really go on this guy but I have to pull up if he starts outside or he can do this or that. When you haven’t played against them, it’s a little different too. If you play a certain guy twice a year, every year, you get a feel for whoever it is.”
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Came across this article I believe brings out some interesting points............points made by a familiar name........

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It boggles my mind that Fangio & Capers went on to craft excellent defenses when they went their separate ways, but here, together... not so much.
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It boggles my mind that Fangio & Capers went on to craft excellent defenses when they went their separate ways, but here, together... not so much.
You gotta have the players, kailee Wong and Jaime sharper just won't cut it. This team lacked talent for a long time.

They should review those defensive hits and long play pass interferences to remove all doubt from the equation, if the offense can call for a review why not the defense.
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Brian Cushing won offensive rookie of the month?!?!?!?!?
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Houston (2-2) at San Francisco (2-2) — 8:30 p.m. ET, NBC: Texans quarterback Matt Schaub has been through a tough season so far. He’s thrown pick-sixes in three straight games, and angry fans are burning his replica jersey in the Reliant Stadium parking lot. It’s not all Schaub’s fault, though — the Texans tend to run predictable route concepts out of their trips and bunch formations, and defenses are catching on. Schaub has vowed to “cut it loose” against San Francisco’s defense, which is an interesting strategy.

The 49ers currently rank 18th in Football Outsiders’ opponent-adjusted defensive metrics, and 18th against the pass. That’s down from third and sixth, respectively, in 2012. Losing Aldon Smith to rehab is one issue, but the real problem lies with San Francisco’s coverages. The 49ers’ ferocious pass rush in 2012 hid the fact that this team doesn’t have a dominant defensive back, and that’s coming home to roost right now. Carlos Rogers ranks 44th in Pro Football Focus’ coverage metrics, allowing an opponent passer rating of 85.6, and Tarell Brown has been even less impressive.

Another problem for the 49ers right now is that in three of four games this season, their formerly dominant offensive line has been pushed back far too often. That changed last Thursday night against the St. Louis Rams, when Jim Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman went back to basics with power/counter/wham concepts, and left the more advanced offensive conceits for another time. Harbaugh and Roman will want to stick with that script against Houston’s amazing front seven, which is of course led by J.J. Watt, who may be playing even better than he did last season. For the 49ers to pull this one off, they’ll need to manage Colin Kaepernick in and out of the pocket. The Texans, on the other hand, need to diversify their passing concepts — because you can bet that whatever they’ve been running this season, 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio has it on lock.
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You can throw away all of the stats and records going into this game. This game is all about heart and determination. If the Texans have it they will beat the 49ers and have one of those satisfying road wins that can lift the entire franchise: Coaches, players, fans, everybody will feel good.

If the Texans don't have it we will be left scratching our heads after the game on Sunday Night, yet again, and trying to figure out how we lost again and what the hell went wrong. That's a depressing feeling that I don't want to experience for a third week in a row.

We need more players like J.J. Watt. Guys who actually give a damn about winning and losing. Guys who will be pissed off and ready to beat somebody's ass after another frustrating loss. Who actually put the game ahead of their own personal lives. Watt has had some on-and-off again girlfriends just because he's so devoted to being one of the all-time greats. He doesn't even think about some marriage or family life leading up to games like most players do. All he does is focus on winning games.

That type of heart and dedication is what I want to see out of the entire team. I realize it's not possible to get that level of passion from every player - some of them have busy lives with a wife and kids - but at least on gamedays we need more effort than what we're getting out of a lot of the guys.

The only way the Houston Texans are going to win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub as quarterback, is if every player elevates their game, and plays even better than what their own talent level suggests. We have to play so damn good that we can still win games even if Schaub doesn't play his best.

That old saying... You're only as good as your weakest link. It rings very true regarding the 2013 Houston Texans.
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You can throw away all of the stats and records going into this game. This game is all about heart and determination. If the Texans have it they will beat the 49ers and have one of those satisfying road wins that can lift the entire franchise: Coaches, players, fans, everybody will feel good.

If the Texans don't have it we will be left scratching our heads after the game on Sunday Night, yet again, and trying to figure out how we lost again and what the hell went wrong. That's a depressing feeling that I don't want to experience for a third week in a row.

We need more players like J.J. Watt. Guys who actually give a damn about winning and losing. Guys who will be pissed off and ready to beat somebody's ass after another frustrating loss. Who actually put the game ahead of their own personal lives. Watt has had some on-and-off again girlfriends just because he's so devoted to being one of the all-time greats. He doesn't even think about some marriage or family life leading up to games like most players do. All he does is focus on winning games.

That type of heart and dedication is what I want to see out of the entire team. I realize it's not possible to get that level of passion from every player - some of them have busy lives with a wife and kids - but at least on gamedays we need more effort than what we're getting out of a lot of the guys.

The only way the Houston Texans are going to win the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub as quarterback, is if every player elevates their game, and plays even better than what their own talent level suggests. We have to play so damn good that we can still win games even if Schaub doesn't play his best.

That old saying... You're only as good as your weakest link. It rings very true regarding the 2013 Houston Texans.
Nice post and I agree with almost everything you said, but Schaub is not the weakest link on this team. I believe that distinction belongs to the OL. We have them out there to stop defenders, not just slow them down. They need to start doing their jobs better.
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Nice post and I agree with almost everything you said, but Schaub is not the weakest link on this team. I believe that distinction belongs to the OL. We have them out there to stop defenders, not just slow them down. They need to start doing their jobs better.
That's the point. He's not the weak link, but he doesn't have the skills necessary to "make up" for the deficiencies of the team.
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Nice post and I agree with almost everything you said, but Schaub is not the weakest link on this team. I believe that distinction belongs to the OL. We have them out there to stop defenders, not just slow them down. They need to start doing their jobs better.
Schaub is 4th in percentage of dropbacks under pressure in the league. He's pressured 130% more often than Peyton Manning.

Special teams coverage in the running, too.




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Andre Johnson 2 teammates:"I told them Coach Kubiak saying he took responsibility (for the loss to Seattle), I felt like that was a bunch of BS(more)

More Andre Johnson: "The coach shouldn't have to come out & take responsibility for what happens on the field because he's not playing(more)

More Andre Johnson: "Yea,they do make the calls but at the same time we have to go out & execute.(Johnson's thoughts in Monday team meeting)


Gary Kubiak says Andre Johnson & Brian Cushing are good to go. Brandon Brooks is out and will be replaced in starting lineup by Ben Jones
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"I’m sure there are certain (college and HS) programs out there that would just throw kids back out there and it’s scary." Cushing #Texans

Meanwhile Cushing said if it had to happen he's glad his first concussion came while he was in the NFL, given the level of care. #Texans

Johnson also said he told his teammates it was "BS" that Kubiak took the blame for the loss. Said it was on them as players. #Texans

Johnson said fans tweeted him insisting they'd been there since the beginning but he doesn't remember too many around when #Texans were 2-14

Andre Johnson said his shin swelled a bit and since last week's plan worked so well for him to play, they followed same this week.

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That's the point. He's not the weak link, but he doesn't have the skills necessary to "make up" for the deficiencies of the team.
Where is it written than he needs to make up for the others? This is why they call it a team game, and why there are 10 other guys on offense. One person cannot do it alone. They all need each other. I have to say I am amazed at your transformation Thunderkyss. You truly have gone over to the dark side. At least Schaub haters stick to their guns no matter what happens.

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Schaub is 4th in percentage of dropbacks under pressure in the league. He's pressured 130% more often than Peyton Manning.

Special teams coverage in the running, too.
Great post, thanks. A perfect illustration of what I was saying. Rep to you, but it won't let me. Says I need to spread it around some.
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Where is it written than he needs to make up for the others?.
check these boards, you'll see it written many times over.

Not much of an argument agreeing with me though. Doesn't matter if it's written down or not, that is the problem with Schaub. Russell Wilson is not a better QB than Schaub, he didn't win the game on his own, but he knew to do whatever it took to not let 2nd & super long turn into 3rd & super long. He also had the ability to do it.

He also did not make a mistake that helped the other team win.

It's not written anywhere that he needed to do either of these, it's in his blood, his DNA. He's a winner. Matt's not.
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check these boards, you'll see it written many times over.

Not much of an argument agreeing with me though. Doesn't matter if it's written down or not, that is the problem with Schaub. Russell Wilson is not a better QB than Schaub, he didn't win the game on his own, but he knew to do whatever it took to not let 2nd & super long turn into 3rd & super long. He also had the ability to do it.

He also did not make a mistake that helped the other team win.

It's not written anywhere that he needed to do either of these, it's in his blood, his DNA. He's a winner. Matt's not.

That is kind of short sighted don't you think? I mean how can you compare the two players in the first place? Two difference philosophies, and two different athletes. You don't think Schaub knows the same things? Schaub just does not have the running ability to do those things, and we did not bring him in here for that kind of thing either so expecting him to do it is silly.

But instead of understanding that we brought in O linemen in to pass block so that the QB we have and have invested in has a clean pocket, and it is not happening, you want to lay all of that at the admittedly slow feet of Schaub. Schaub is doing exactly what we asked him to do, and doing it well when the OL does their job. That is like Schaub taking a 1 step drop and never throwing the ball but then blaming the linemen for not protecting him. But that is not what is happening.

Schaub is dropping back and getting creamed because our O Line is not blocking, or at least not with any consistency. You keep saying it is the QB's job to overcome those shortcomings, and you say it is written all over this board, but since when are fans experts on what is, and what is not? I call BS. It is the O Lines responsibility to overcome Schaub's lack of mobility and keep him clean, or at least most of the time. Just like they do for Manning in Denver. But that is NOT happening. Not even close. It is worse than last year when I said the same thing down the stretch.
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That is kind of short sighted don't you think? I mean how can you compare the two players in the first place? Two difference philosophies, and two different athletes. You don't think Schaub knows the same things? Schaub just does not have the running ability to do those things, and we did not bring him in here for that kind of thing either so expecting him to do it is silly.
Not really. After the Marshawn Lynch Fumble, we ended up in a third down situation. Pass protection broke down & Matt was able to navigate his way out of the pocket. Scrambling to his left, he was able to gain separation between himself & the pursuing defender. DeAndre Hopkins was in front of him, Schaub had his eyes on him. As he felt his time was running out & DeAndre was unable to open up, Matt threw the ball away. Had he the ability to turn his head away from that single receiver, he'd have seen Andre streaking towards him, uncovered in the back of the end zone. He might not have known it, but he had time to stop, set his feet & deliver a catchable pass to Andre.

In the divisional play off round, there was a similar situation. Matt got away from the pass rush, had plenty of time to survey the field, set his feet & make a decent attempt to pick up a third down conversion. Didn't happen as he felt pressure that wasn't there & threw the ball away...... punt.

In the Oakland game, at home 2011. The game ended with Matt throwing the ball out of bounds on what would have been a game winning play. Same situation as the one I described from last Sunday's game. He threw the ball expecting Jacoby to push through the defender (much the way Sherman pushed through OD) to catch the ball in the end zone. It would have been better to stop running & put some air under the ball, allowing Jacoby to out jump the defender. It might have ended with the same result, but at least Jacoby would have had a chance to make a play on the ball. Instead, it was everything he could do to prevent the interception.

I'm not asking Matt to do anything beyond his ability. I'm asking him to maximize what he can do.

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But instead of understanding that we brought in O linemen in to pass block so that the QB we have and have invested in has a clean pocket, and it is not happening....
So should we just give up? Can't win another game, the OL is broke. Ryan Clady & the Broncos' starting Center are out. Their OL looks good, because their QB gets rid of the ball fast. He also scares defenses with his propensity to throw the ball behind them & make them look silly.

Russell Wilson was playing with 3 back-ups on the line. He got sacked as many times as Schaub did. Brooks Reed got a sack. But Wilson ran out of a bunch of other sacks & made plays that helped his team.

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Schaub is dropping back and getting creamed because our O Line is not blocking, or at least not with any consistency.

I call BS. It is the O Lines responsibility to overcome Schaub's lack of mobility and keep him clean, or at least most of the time. .
& the question is will he do something about it or not?

I don't like to make the David Carr comparison, because I don't think it fits, but after hearing that Schaub's been the most blitzed QB in the league ytd, I'm starting to wonder.

When they blitz you like that, they're telling you they do not respect your game. It's the equivalent to being spit in the face, btch slapped. You gotta make them pay. Continue to convert third downs, score TDs. It's demoralizing to the defense & makes them question how much effort they need to put into each blitz. If you're rewarding them by not converting, by getting off the field, by not scoring... it's going to keep coming because it's working.

Sure, the OL has some responsibility in this. Matt needs someone to throw the ball to. But bottom line... it's on Matt.
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Not really. After the Marshawn Lynch Fumble, we ended up in a third down situation. Pass protection broke down & Matt was able to navigate his way out of the pocket. Scrambling to his left, he was able to gain separation between himself & the pursuing defender. DeAndre Hopkins was in front of him, Schaub had his eyes on him. As he felt his time was running out & DeAndre was unable to open up, Matt threw the ball away. Had he the ability to turn his head away from that single receiver, he'd have seen Andre streaking towards him, uncovered in the back of the end zone. He might not have known it, but he had time to stop, set his feet & deliver a catchable pass to Andre.

In the divisional play off round, there was a similar situation. Matt got away from the pass rush, had plenty of time to survey the field, set his feet & make a decent attempt to pick up a third down conversion. Didn't happen as he felt pressure that wasn't there & threw the ball away...... punt.

In the Oakland game, at home 2011. The game ended with Matt throwing the ball out of bounds on what would have been a game winning play. Same situation as the one I described from last Sunday's game. He threw the ball expecting Jacoby to push through the defender (much the way Sherman pushed through OD) to catch the ball in the end zone. It would have been better to stop running & put some air under the ball, allowing Jacoby to out jump the defender. It might have ended with the same result, but at least Jacoby would have had a chance to make a play on the ball. Instead, it was everything he could do to prevent the interception.

I'm not asking Matt to do anything beyond his ability. I'm asking him to maximize what he can do.



So should we just give up? Can't win another game, the OL is broke. Ryan Clady & the Broncos' starting Center are out. Their OL looks good, because their QB gets rid of the ball fast. He also scares defenses with his propensity to throw the ball behind them & make them look silly.

Russell Wilson was playing with 3 back-ups on the line. He got sacked as many times as Schaub did. Brooks Reed got a sack. But Wilson ran out of a bunch of other sacks & made plays that helped his team.



& the question is will he do something about it or not?

I don't like to make the David Carr comparison, because I don't think it fits, but after hearing that Schaub's been the most blitzed QB in the league ytd, I'm starting to wonder.

When they blitz you like that, they're telling you they do not respect your game. It's the equivalent to being spit in the face, btch slapped. You gotta make them pay. Continue to convert third downs, score TDs. It's demoralizing to the defense & makes them question how much effort they need to put into each blitz. If you're rewarding them by not converting, by getting off the field, by not scoring... it's going to keep coming because it's working.

Sure, the OL has some responsibility in this. Matt needs someone to throw the ball to. But bottom line... it's on Matt.
Those are just your opinions, or perceptions. I am pretty sure if you were the one who had been getting smashed all season long, and ANOTHER huge lineman or LB was bearing down on you, you might feel differently. Besides Matt is coached to throw it away when the play breaks down because that is taking care of the ball and not making risky plays. Example the Hawks game. Bad decision even though Daniels was open. Daniels got beat by a smaller man who wanted the ball more, but we all know the right play was to eat the ball, punt, play defense.

In the end that is where we disagree. It's not all on Schaub. It is a team game, and without the time to throw, no QB will complete passes. Read Steph's article. Last in the league at pass protection my friend. Last in the league.
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Those are just your opinions, or perceptions.
Yeah, that's all I got.

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In the end that is where we disagree. It's not all on Schaub. It is a team game, and without the time to throw, no QB will complete passes.
Where you been? That's what I've been saying for at least the last two years. This last week, I've just been on the other side.

I'll be laying off Matt soon, but I still expect him to do his part. Being a QB, I'm sorry, but his part is a little greater than everyone else's.

& don't tell me about being last in pass protection. I remember how much that changed after our last QB change with the same OL.
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Houston Texans have gone 36 straight games without being below .500 in the Win/Loss column -- that's the longest active stretch in the NFL.--NFLLive
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No one is giving them a chance in hell this Sunday. CBS, ESPN, SI, NFL.com, SN, etc.....not one single person has picked them to win.

Good! This will be a game of pure dominance from the Bulls on Kirby. PERIOD.
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